Is it cheating ?

04 March 2017, 01:29

A.Dahlgren

quote:
Originally posted by Kathi:
Published on Mar 2, 2017
Please note: This product is not available in the USA and Canada.

The challenges of today can only be tackled with the technology of tomorrow. The time has now come for the dS.

This was under the video, why is it not available in the USA or Canada?

They will initiate the launch on the US market with the Shot Show in January 2018.

It will be in stores in Europe around July 2017

04 March 2017, 01:43

Gillettehunter

Seems to do essentially what the Burris Eliminator scope does. Probably better glass tho.....
Bruce

04 March 2017, 01:49

A.Dahlgren

quote:
Originally posted by Gillettehunter:
Seems to do essentially what the Burris Eliminator scope does. Probably better glass tho.....
Bruce

Zeiss and Burris have one but Swarovskis seems to have extra all including weight and price

04 March 2017, 01:56

PSmith

Beautiful country. I want the scope too. Thanks for posting.

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04 March 2017, 03:13

Skip Nantz

A well done video for sure!

Tech at its best!

04 March 2017, 03:37

dogcat

I use the current Z6i with turrets. I like this a lot. I am all in. I do not see it as cheating at all. Takes out some guess work on hold over.

Sign me!!!!

04 March 2017, 03:39

AnotherAZWriter

Look, if it doesn't solve the wind problem, it will not be a leap forward. Furthermore, at really long range, I don't think the holdover is fine enough.

Give me a LR that has a laser doppler anemometer and I would pay three times the price. Until then, I will stick with my G7 and/or iPhone ballistics app. Range, angle, etc. is not the problem - it is the wind.

04 March 2017, 03:49

Mark Clark

First, nicely done advertisement

When he ranges it the first time and then it moves the range is 169 meters. Do ya really need that much scope at that range?

M

04 March 2017, 05:03

boarkiller

I'll stay with regular scope and within 150 or so

Can't get excited about distance
But It sure get excited when I'm close

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04 March 2017, 05:35

AR MAN

Advantage yes, cheating no. With anything, you still have to do your part and it may be a fun tool to use, but I like my Ziess and will continue to use it.

04 March 2017, 06:00

Fjold

I don't think that they're in Africa.

04 March 2017, 06:09

Biebs

I'm sure the first hunters who used scopes were thought of as cheaters as well. Time marches on, I guess.

04 March 2017, 06:12

Frostbit

Cool, now I'll find some great deals on used Swaro scopes in the classifieds when you guys with deep pockets "need" to buy the latest.

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04 March 2017, 06:24

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I want to wear a tweed sport coat when hunting!

04 March 2017, 06:31

Heym 450/400

I'm a sucker for the latest gadgets, but I see no use for my style of hunting. I like to get as close as I can. It would be fun to play around at the range though.

Impressive peice of technology....it's just not for me.

04 March 2017, 07:49

lavaca

IMHO technology is a slippery slope and there are other conflicting ethical issues as well.

We all owe the animals we hunt as quick and painless death as possible. To the extent technology assists in that, I applaud it. That's why I use rangefinders. Some might think that's too much.

That said, I like trying to get closer to make a cleaner shot. When technology encourages longer shots, I'm not sure I like that. So what about scopes? I like scopes.

Where do you draw the line? I think as long as it's legal, it's an individual decision.

04 March 2017, 08:29

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Clark:
First, nicely done advertisement

When he ranges it the first time and then it moves the range is 169 meters. Do ya really need that much scope at that range?

M

I was thinking the same thing.

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04 March 2017, 08:30

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by boarkiller:
I'll stay with regular scope and within 150 or so

Can't get excited about distance
But It sure get excited when I'm close

04 March 2017, 09:17

boarkiller

quote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
IMHO technology is a slippery slope and there are other conflicting ethical issues as well.

We all owe the animals we hunt as quick and painless death as possible. To the extent technology assists in that, I applaud it. That's why I use rangefinders. Some might think that's too much.

That said, I like trying to get closer to make a cleaner shot. When technology encourages longer shots, I'm not sure I like that. So what about scopes? I like scopes.

Where do you draw the line? I think as long as it's legal, it's an individual decision.

Legal is in the of beholder
I'd say, use your own standards
But in the end, we will fall due to too much technology

04 March 2017, 09:44

cal pappas

Cheating? No.
But the thrill of the stalk and of the hunt is gone with so much technology. A few years ago at DSC some idiots were showing a computer controlled scope and making kills at 900-1000 yards. The guys could not stalk and could not hunt. Hell, they could not even shoot as the computer did all the work.
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04 March 2017, 10:40

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quote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
IMHO technology is a slippery slope and there are other conflicting ethical issues as well.

We all owe the animals we hunt as quick and painless death as possible. To the extent technology assists in that, I applaud it. That's why I use rangefinders. Some might think that's too much.

That said, I like trying to get closer to make a cleaner shot. When technology encourages longer shots, I'm not sure I like that. So what about scopes? I like scopes.

Where do you draw the line? I think as long as it's legal, it's an individual decision.

Good for those hunting Mountain sheep and goat.

04 March 2017, 10:54

RIP

The only thing that commercial makes me want to buy is one of those Sherlock Holmes Deerstalker hats,
and maybe a gold-trimmed cane like the guide is using.
Reminds me of "Spiridon Moor" and Jap Bay on Kodiak Island, to which I shall return with my new cap and cane.

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04 March 2017, 12:28

#1 of 13

No but using sticks is.

04 March 2017, 13:38

Jan Dumon

quote:
Originally posted by John Chalmers:
The advert has little to do with a 169 metre shot at a Stag. Just think of the extraction, help! call in the chopper, the guys imo had a pretty good stalk to get to there.

It has everything to do with separating you from your hard earned.
They are selling you a lifestyle and those that can afford a three Grand scope good luck to them.

Like the Flivver King said, I paraphrase, there is nothing like a second hand market to sell new stuff. When it pays for the investment another add-on will surface and then we move on. We certainly do no need it for HUNTING in our land.

Thirty years ago that shot would have been taken with a 4x scope, or more likely we were told to get a bit closer. When everyone had a 4x we moved to 6x and then 8x ......today I have a 25x Zeiss. Whodathunkit. Another plus it keeps us older guys in focus to enjoy our sport a bit longer.Technology you got to love it,it's called progress.

I hunted Stags during the rut in the highlands back in the early 90's. Wonderful experience with the loading ponies following you at distance and all. I believe I used a variable up to 8 or 10 x European scope on a 300 win mag Blazer. I thought I was riding the edge of technology. Lol. I was I guess.

Some of those Stags were far , really far. Others I got closer , as per the ad. The Stalks were great and we spent hours out there everyday walking those hills. We managed 2 Stags per day.

For me this new scope would take all the fun out of it. No need to do any quick calculations in your head in the heat of the moment , Just put the crosshairs on him and squeeze. But that's just me. Its an incredible piece of equipment for sure.
Now for culling , this would be great.

Happy hunting

04 March 2017, 16:00

Opus1

quote:
Originally posted by fairgame:
quote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
IMHO technology is a slippery slope and there are other conflicting ethical issues as well.

We all owe the animals we hunt as quick and painless death as possible. To the extent technology assists in that, I applaud it. That's why I use rangefinders. Some might think that's too much.

That said, I like trying to get closer to make a cleaner shot. When technology encourages longer shots, I'm not sure I like that. So what about scopes? I like scopes.

Where do you draw the line? I think as long as it's legal, it's an individual decision.

Good for those hunting Mountain sheep and goat.

Or Vaal Rhebok anywhere or springbok in an open pan or Bushbuck in KZN or klipspringer, eland and mountain reedbuck in the Drakensberg, etc, etc. I can find all types of African settings where 300 yards is as close as you're ever going to get. A lot of hunters never see any shots over 100 yards most of their lives and believe that you can always stalk anything within that distance. I beg to differ.

04 March 2017, 18:44

dogcat

When someone sees one for sale- let me know. I like getting close too, but this takes some guess work out of the mix. Just think what would have happened if Teddy Roosevelt had one of these on his safari in 1909! He would have wounded a lot less.

04 March 2017, 19:42

fairgame

quote:
Originally posted by Opus1:
quote:
Originally posted by fairgame:
quote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
IMHO technology is a slippery slope and there are other conflicting ethical issues as well.

We all owe the animals we hunt as quick and painless death as possible. To the extent technology assists in that, I applaud it. That's why I use rangefinders. Some might think that's too much.

That said, I like trying to get closer to make a cleaner shot. When technology encourages longer shots, I'm not sure I like that. So what about scopes? I like scopes.

Where do you draw the line? I think as long as it's legal, it's an individual decision.

Good for those hunting Mountain sheep and goat.

Or Vaal Rhebok anywhere or springbok in an open pan or Bushbuck in KZN or klipspringer, eland and mountain reedbuck in the Drakensberg, etc, etc. I can find all types of African settings where 300 yards is as close as you're ever going to get. A lot of hunters never see any shots over 100 yards most of their lives and believe that you can always stalk anything within that distance. I beg to differ.

Add Lechwe, Sitatunga and Mountain Nyala to that list.

04 March 2017, 20:24

Nevada Wapati

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Clark:
First, nicely done advertisement

When he ranges it the first time and then it moves the range is 169 meters. Do ya really need that much scope at that range?

M

Or a need to place the crosshairs a foot above the stag's back?

04 March 2017, 20:30

JGRaider

I didn't see where this scope will dope the wind for you.....

05 March 2017, 00:29

AnotherAZWriter

quote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
Cheating? No.
But the thrill of the stalk and of the hunt is gone with so much technology. A few years ago at DSC some idiots were showing a computer controlled scope and making kills at 900-1000 yards. The guys could not stalk and could not hunt. Hell, they could not even shoot as the computer did all the work.
Cal

That system didn't dope the wind either; in fact, since it used/uses a digital image, it is impossible to read mirage (if you have a side parallax scope you can move the focus closer to see the mirage if not already present).