I was reading one offer for a Lion hunt, and it was $3000.00 a day WHAT ? ,Hunts just seem to be rising exponentially even for Buffalo ,even considering there are decent herds of them ,whether Safari Hunting will eventually return to being a preserve for the Rich ,then there are things like a $2.00 Duty on every bullet you bring into a country !!!!!!and any other excuse to make a buck out of you ,Farm Hunts are more affordable but less appealing ,shooting a Wildebeast next to a rolled bale of hay isnt the same ,anyway will keep trying to Win the Lottery

I would have to agree with you: $3,000. per day IS a bit much!

But you don't need to pay that much to get a quality safari hunt.

We are offering right now wild area hunting safaris in Tanzania for only $1300. per day 1x1, and $900. 2x1 per person/per day. Check the Hunt Section, if interested.

Using Tanzania as an example, I think that people who are paying these prices are fools!!

How much is the PH making...a few hundred bucks a day as pay? Where is the rest going? I know that logistically Tanzania is a tough place to hunt but we hunters are getting taken advantage of. Dip and pack, $2.00 per bullet, Govt. Fee's, Air Charter, it's ridiculous.

Like anything else in life, they are charging these prices because clients are paying. I bet that if hunters united and said "No More" then prices would miraculously plummet.

Think about it.

Leopard track - I couldn't agree more, but as that wise old sage Pogo once said "We have met the enemy and they is us."

I'll continue to hunt in Tanzania as long as I can and I'll pay the freight. Worth every penny, in my opinion.

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I'll continue to hunt in Tanzania as long as I can and I'll pay the freight. Worth every penny, in my opinion.

And that's why we are getting ripped-off.

The market will set the price. If outfitters/countries want to keep raising rates beyond any global price index and hunters want to pay those rates more power to them.

Hunting has always been a rich mans sport and will continue to be.

I just personally don't see much value when the all in price of a buffalo hunt approaches a F-150. Another buffalo or a new f-150 - I am getting the truck

Mike

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The market will set the price. If outfitters/countries want to keep raising rates beyond any global price index and hunters want to pay those rates more power to them.

Hunting has always been a rich mans sport and will continue to be.

I just personally don't see much value when the all in price of a buffalo hunt approaches a F-150. Another buffalo or a new f-150 - I am getting the truck

Mike

It might soon be another chance at a buffalo instead.Although I would like another trophy in my home it was always a succesful hunt or the high chances of having one that brought me back to Africa.Truth is I dont feel that way anymore.

Let's assume that the demand has remained constant and safari costs have remained fixed (I'm sure costs have risen but the dollar is up so that may be a wash). Botswana is closed, the Save didn't get permits for two years, U.S. hunters can't import elephant trophies from Zim/Tanzania/Moz. You get the picture, opportunities are getting increasingly limited.

Bottom line: There are probably fewer hunts for sale (outside of RSA) than there have been in recent years. If the demand is steady and the supply is limited, we can and should expect prices to increase.

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:
The market will set the price. If outfitters/countries want to keep raising rates beyond any global price index and hunters want to pay those rates more power to them.

Hunting has always been a rich mans sport and will continue to be.

I just personally don't see much value when the all in price of a buffalo hunt approaches a F-150. Another buffalo or a new f-150 - I am getting the truck

Mike

It might soon be another chance at a buffalo instead.Although I would like another trophy in my home it was always a succesful hunt or the high chances of having one that brought me back to Africa.Truth is I dont feel that way anymore.

Hunting has an element of uncertainty.

But when costs approach US per capita family income for some hunts and often multiples of that - its does raise the bar on success - think of a wild lion hunt in TZ.

I don't spend a lot of money on stuff - cars vacations ect. Hunting is normally my main personal expense. But the increase in rates in just the last 5 years has to a certain degree made me lose interest in dg hunting going forward. Its just not worth the money to me.

The good thing in Africa hunting is I can trade down - away from dangerous game to plains game. Regardless of the cost - I would much rather hunt eland than buffalo. I have shot my one wild lion and would never ever shoot another one - same with elephant - even if the hunt was free. Its just my preference. I can leave taxidermy, shipping, dip ect behind - don't really care for it anyway. So there are always tradeoffs.

But if other people are willing to pay $3K a day to hunt lion - more power to them - its their money and they can spend it anyway they want too (as long as it is legal).

Mike

I accept the current prices but not when the hunt outcome is a roll of the dice.I am not interested in going to Africa to hunt anything else but wild lion,leopard,cape buff and ele.I go to Africa to see game-lots of it not to spend two weeks in the bush from sunrise to sunset and see nothing.

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I accept the current prices but not when the hunt outcome is a roll of the dice.I am not interested in going to Africa to hunt anything else but lion,leopard,cape buff and ele.I go to Africa to see game-lots of it not two spend two weeks in the bush from sunrise to sunset and see nothing.

Stop being a cry baby. There is a reason it is called hunting and not shooting. If you want a sure thing book a hunt in South Africa and stop whining.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I accept the current prices but not when the hunt outcome is a roll of the dice.I am not interested in going to Africa to hunt anything else but lion,leopard,cape buff and ele.I go to Africa to see game-lots of it not two spend two weeks in the bush from sunrise to sunset and see nothing.

Stop being a cry baby. There is a reason it is called hunting and not shooting. If you want a sure thing book a hunt in South Africa and stop whining.

You can make hunting as challenging as you want it to be,just take away the game.

Personally I don't care how much it costs to hunt in Africa, I am still going to go until I croak. Hell everything is expensive, my kids, my mortgage, my H2, etc. etc. I get paid by hours times rates so I just need to work more to get what I want, and my priorities are pretty simple...college tuition, guns, and hunting.

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I accept the current prices but not when the hunt outcome is a roll of the dice.I am not interested in going to Africa to hunt anything else but lion,leopard,cape buff and ele.I go to Africa to see game-lots of it not two spend two weeks in the bush from sunrise to sunset and see nothing.

Stop being a cry baby. There is a reason it is called hunting and not shooting. If you want a sure thing book a hunt in South Africa and stop whining.

You can make hunting as challenging as you want it to be,just take away the game.

You act like you are the only person that ever went on an unsuccessful hunt. Ask all the folks that have done wild lion hunts if it is a sure thing. Grow up, man up.

Market takes care of everything
Each to their own and Price is in the eye of the beholder

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Market takes care of everything
Each to their own and Price is in the eye of the beholder

+1, don't like the price, don't go. The market will sort itself out.

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I accept the current prices but not when the hunt outcome is a roll of the dice.I am not interested in going to Africa to hunt anything else but lion,leopard,cape buff and ele.I go to Africa to see game-lots of it not two spend two weeks in the bush from sunrise to sunset and see nothing.

Stop being a cry baby. There is a reason it is called hunting and not shooting. If you want a sure thing book a hunt in South Africa and stop whining.

You can make hunting as challenging as you want it to be,just take away the game.

You act like you are the only person that ever went on an unsuccessful hunt. Ask all the folks that have done wild lion hunts if it is a sure thing. Grow up, man up.

All those that went on lion hunts and paid the full price and did not shoot their lions are idiots,IMO.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I accept the current prices but not when the hunt outcome is a roll of the dice.I am not interested in going to Africa to hunt anything else but lion,leopard,cape buff and ele.I go to Africa to see game-lots of it not two spend two weeks in the bush from sunrise to sunset and see nothing.

Stop being a cry baby. There is a reason it is called hunting and not shooting. If you want a sure thing book a hunt in South Africa and stop whining.

You can make hunting as challenging as you want it to be,just take away the game.

You act like you are the only person that ever went on an unsuccessful hunt. Ask all the folks that have done wild lion hunts if it is a sure thing. Grow up, man up.

All those that went on lion hunts and paid the full price and did not shoot their lions are idiots,IMO.

There is one idiot on this thread. Go look in the mirror. There are no guarantees in hunting, nor should there be.

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I accept the current prices but not when the hunt outcome is a roll of the dice.I am not interested in going to Africa to hunt anything else but lion,leopard,cape buff and ele.I go to Africa to see game-lots of it not two spend two weeks in the bush from sunrise to sunset and see nothing.

Stop being a cry baby. There is a reason it is called hunting and not shooting. If you want a sure thing book a hunt in South Africa and stop whining.

You can make hunting as challenging as you want it to be,just take away the game.

You act like you are the only person that ever went on an unsuccessful hunt. Ask all the folks that have done wild lion hunts if it is a sure thing. Grow up, man up.

All those that went on lion hunts and paid the full price and did not shoot their lions are idiots,IMO.

There is one idiot on this thread. Go look in the mirror. There are no guarantees in hunting, nor should there be.

Fine then I will stay home.

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I accept the current prices but not when the hunt outcome is a roll of the dice.I am not interested in going to Africa to hunt anything else but lion,leopard,cape buff and ele.I go to Africa to see game-lots of it not two spend two weeks in the bush from sunrise to sunset and see nothing.

Stop being a cry baby. There is a reason it is called hunting and not shooting. If you want a sure thing book a hunt in South Africa and stop whining.

You can make hunting as challenging as you want it to be,just take away the game.

You act like you are the only person that ever went on an unsuccessful hunt. Ask all the folks that have done wild lion hunts if it is a sure thing. Grow up, man up.

All those that went on lion hunts and paid the full price and did not shoot their lions are idiots,IMO.

There is one idiot on this thread. Go look in the mirror. There are no guarantees in hunting, nor should there be.

Fine then I will stay home.

If you believe hunting should be a sure thing, you should stay home.

There is a quote to the effect of, we kill to have hunted, we do not hunt to kill. Seems like you have ignored the fact that the hunt is the experience and the adventure. Pitiful.

There are a number of boomers right now in the 60's and early 70's that have a LOT of money when compared to the average schmuck. They have done well and are willing to shell out the coin, regardless of the ridiculous add on fees for this or that, jacked up trophy fees, etc. etc. They will pay the freight to enjoy what they want to do.

Am I envious? You betcha. But in the end I do not begrudge them of it as they have the money and the industry and governments setting the fees will charge what they can get away with.

But there are not a bunch of young bucks with the same kind of coin coming behind these people to fill the void when they have had enough, become physically unable or go over the rainbow bridge. The whole industry is in for a shake down in the not too distant future when the fraction of one percenters are no longer part of the pool of hunters, that is in itself shrinking.

May see lower rates in years to come when the boomers are out of the picture, but I will be too old by then. And that is assuming all of the other negative impacts have not already send Safari down the spiralling water funnel in the lavatory.

If one wants to spend their money, more power to them, enjoy!

I have been twice to Africa in the past 5 years. First time was with my wife, the second time I took my wife, 3 sons and my father. Although it was plains game on both trips (with exception to a croc), it was still a lot of money. I am surely not complaining but there is a good chance I will not return. If I do return, I will probably not bring home any animals, just photos and memories!

Prices are high, However, as was previously posted, we sustain the market. Plus, I am sure its very costly for the Outfitter!

$3k daily rates for a lion? Not a chance!

African hunting is cheap. Compare it to a guided north american whitetail hunt. You pay $6500 to sit in a rickety tree stand, by yourself, with a sandwich and a yogurt for lunch, only to share a bunk house with 7 other hunters when you get home after riding bitch on a worn out quad. Compare that to a 8 day exclusive 5 animal plains game 1x1 guided hunt with 5 star food and lodging, and trackers, and skinners.
I think there is more money now than before. 22 year old kids are making $180,000 per year in the oil patch. They can afford an african hunt with half their bonus cheque. If people want it bad enough, they will pay.

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Personally I don't care how much it costs to hunt in Africa, I am still going to go until I croak.

+1

Yes, prices have been going up, but there are hunts that range from $250 per day - $3500 per day in Africa, so guess that pretty much covers it for everyone! Personally I would love to fly first class to the US, but I can't justify it, so I fly cattle class......it's just the way it is. Now it's up to the individual paying to do some research and work out whether the price he is paying is worth it or not!

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There are a number of boomers right now in the 60's and early 70's that have a LOT of money when compared to the average schmuck. They have done well and are willing to shell out the coin, regardless of the ridiculous add on fees for this or that, jacked up trophy fees, etc. etc. They will pay the freight to enjoy what they want to do.

Am I envious? You betcha. But in the end I do not begrudge them of it as they have the money and the industry and governments setting the fees will charge what they can get away with.

But there are not a bunch of young bucks with the same kind of coin coming behind these people to fill the void when they have had enough, become physically unable or go over the rainbow bridge. The whole industry is in for a shake down in the not too distant future when the fraction of one percenters are no longer part of the pool of hunters, that is in itself shrinking.

This is a VERY good point. TZ in particular is experiencing "peak hunt". If we are patient, when the boomers start getting too old to hunt, stop caring, or start dying off, trophy fees and daily rates will (in real terms) begin to fall. Notice I don't say they will fall in nominal terms (though they might to a degree in some areas), but they will certainly not keep rising at the current rate, and will likely start to lag behind inflation and/or the salary increases that many of us experience over the next decade. Personally, I don't ever plan to hunt TZ as I don't think it will ever be in my budget, but I do think a Zim elephant and perhaps a lioness (when they open them up again) are in my future at some point in the next ten years for the above reasons.

JMHO.

The costs are what they are. Either one can afford them or they can't. If one can afford them, it is a personal decision whether to stroke the check or not .

You all are a bit low on the pricing . Between $4,000 and $5,000 a day can be spent in TZ. Obviously there are some that are lower.

Hunting is hunting. There are no guarantees.

I have experienced failure on high dollar hunts in TZ. I got over it. Personally, I found it a lot more difficult to take failure on a sheep hunt that I had tortured myself preparing for. I got over it. On my 4th try, I finally got my Dall's sheep which completed my grand slam.

I look back and yes, I have spent a lot of money in some years hunting in other countries . 2 trips to Argentina. 2 sheep hunts. A 21 day safari. Do I regret it? No! These trips are what help me survive the stress.

I've been on two plains game hunts. One to Namibia and one to South Africa. I spent a lot of money on both hunts, but most of it was because I tried to get as many animals as I could afford, and then pushed it a little past what I was comfortable with, but still managed to pay for. I feel that plains game hunting in those two countries are bargains and I doubt there is anywhere else in the world that compares to what you get for your money. I can't afford the high dollar hunts, and I'm not to interested in most of them except one day I want to hunt buffalo. I think that will be my next safari. Then after that, probably sable, unless I get a deal that I can get both on the same trip. It's doable.

I was told that the big money is coming out of Europe and Russia. They are spending money like it doesn't matter and they are the ones driving up the costs. An outfitter would be a fool not to charge as much as he can, especially if he is selling out on his hunts at the higher rates. I understand this. I wish the US economy was doing better, but it's getting worse every year and those with the extra income are to go on hunts are now mostly in other parts of the world.

I just thought about taking a late season deal to Tanz...but at $80K for 21 days, 2 buffalo, cats, and a smattering of plains game,with my charters included...I just could not swing it...good deal...yes....just out side my budget right now...I am not mad about it...but I sure would like to go. I don't like the neg comments on South Africa. I had a couple of wonderful hunts there, and it was hunting...I think a lot of guys get snooty about where they hunt, I had a really good friend go to Zim last year, paid big bucks, and had a shitty hunt, no game in a shot out area, he did not do his research well..the cost is the cost, hunting is hunting...would I like to see some areas more affordable...yes...but they probably would not exist in the first place.

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I've been on two plains game hunts. One to Namibia and one to South Africa. I spent a lot of money on both hunts, but most of it was because I tried to get as many animals as I could afford, and then pushed it a little past what I was comfortable with, but still managed to pay for. I feel that plains game hunting in those two countries are bargains and I doubt there is anywhere else in the world that compares to what you get for your money. I can't afford the high dollar hunts, and I'm not to interested in most of them except one day I want to hunt buffalo. I think that will be my next safari. Then after that, probably sable, unless I get a deal that I can get both on the same trip. It's doable.

I was told that the big money is coming out of Europe and Russia. They are spending money like it doesn't matter and they are the ones driving up the costs. An outfitter would be a fool not to charge as much as he can, especially if he is selling out on his hunts at the higher rates. I understand this. I wish the US economy was doing better, but it's getting worse every year and those with the extra income are to go on hunts are now mostly in other parts of the world.

Don't know about Europe but the Russian market has fallen off drastically in the past year.

Gotta love Africa even with all it's good and bad problems.
MineJ brought something up I thought about it awhile.
Cameroon dark jungle elephant hunt
That would be something to do even if one doesn't kill one
Maybe combo with red river hog and giant forest hog.
dammit , healthy and long life and lots of money, us hunters need...

Guys,

No offense to tankhunter but this thread comes up pretty often and it kills me that some folks are just flat pissed because safaris cost what they do. I just moved to Las Vegas and Sadie and I decided we didn't really need a 1 ton truck here so we started looking around for a half ton. A @#$%ing Ford F-150 with any kind of bells and whistles was $50,000. Guys stuff costs what it costs and we all can figure out what stuff is worth a little pain to purchase or not to purchase. Personally we've put a load of our savings in to hunting which my financial advisor thinks is foolhardy but those memories will still be bright and clear when the new pick up is on the junk heap.

Mark

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I accept the current prices but not when the hunt outcome is a roll of the dice.I am not interested in going to Africa to hunt anything else but lion,leopard,cape buff and ele.I go to Africa to see game-lots of it not two spend two weeks in the bush from sunrise to sunset and see nothing.

Stop being a cry baby. There is a reason it is called hunting and not shooting. If you want a sure thing book a hunt in South Africa and stop whining.

You can make hunting as challenging as you want it to be,just take away the game.

You act like you are the only person that ever went on an unsuccessful hunt. Ask all the folks that have done wild lion hunts if it is a sure thing. Grow up, man up.

All those that went on lion hunts and paid the full price and did not shoot their lions are idiots,IMO.

There is one idiot on this thread. Go look in the mirror. There are no guarantees in hunting, nor should there be.

Fine then I will stay home.

If you believe hunting should be a sure thing, you should stay home.

There is a quote to the effect of, we kill to have hunted, we do not hunt to kill. Seems like you have ignored the fact that the hunt is the experience and the adventure. Pitiful.

Can't believe I'm actually reading this for so many reasons.

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Guys,

No offense to tankhunter but this thread comes up pretty often and it kills me that some folks are just flat pissed because safaris cost what they do. I just moved to Las Vegas and Sadie and I decided we didn't really need a 1 ton truck here so we started looking around for a half ton. A @#$%ing Ford F-150 with any kind of bells and whistles was $50,000. Guys stuff costs what it costs and we all can figure out what stuff is worth a little pain to purchase or not to purchase. Personally we've put a load of our savings in to hunting which my financial advisor thinks is foolhardy but those memories will still be bright and clear when the new pick up is on the junk heap.

Mark

You got it Mark.
My broker said " You could've retired already, this way you"ll never be able to "
Well, here I'm somewhat destitute, still working my ass off and planning another African hunt.
Go figure ...
Ha Ha, gotta love the " Destitute, poor, wretched hunters, who are always broke and cry wolf...

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I accept the current prices but not when the hunt outcome is a roll of the dice.I am not interested in going to Africa to hunt anything else but lion,leopard,cape buff and ele.I go to Africa to see game-lots of it not two spend two weeks in the bush from sunrise to sunset and see nothing.

Stop being a cry baby. There is a reason it is called hunting and not shooting. If you want a sure thing book a hunt in South Africa and stop whining.

You can make hunting as challenging as you want it to be,just take away the game.

You act like you are the only person that ever went on an unsuccessful hunt. Ask all the folks that have done wild lion hunts if it is a sure thing. Grow up, man up.

All those that went on lion hunts and paid the full price and did not shoot their lions are idiots,IMO.

There is one idiot on this thread. Go look in the mirror. There are no guarantees in hunting, nor should there be.

Fine then I will stay home.

So George, when you didn't shoot your buff on the first day with Blake, it was Blake's fault, eh? You tried to convince us all that you shot that cow because he couldn't put you onto a bull, right? But there were good bulls in the herd you shot your cow out of, you just didn't want to listen to your PH!!

You bitched and cried about how you didn't get to hunt with Rich and that if Rich had been available, you would have returned to the truck after each stalk with meat in hand, right?

So now you got to hunt with Rich again this time around but were unsuccessful on taking an ele bull. Rich's fault? I don't think so. I've hunted with him numerous times and no body, I mean NO BODY works harder as a PH!!

Quit your crying like the little tittle baby you are and realize hunting is not shooting, and that there are no guarantees unless shooting in a paddock.

Rich and I were unsuccessful on a 10 day buff hunt in 2010, although we took several other great animals. But then he and I took a great leopard on day 13 of a 14 day hunt where we struggled until the evening of the 12th day in 2011. Blake and I failed on a leopard in 2013 but we took an ele bull on that same hunt on day 13 of what had originally been a 12 day hunt - had to extend to get it done.

How many hunts did it take for you to score on your leopard? One - if I recall correctly. Ask around how many others took a leopard on their first try. Yet you still bitched and moaned even on that hunt.

Most of us who have been on safari numerous times, especially outside of RSA fenced hunting, have had an occasional failed hunt. There simply aren't any guarantees and those occasional failures make the successes just that much sweeter. Grow a sack and quit your whining. No one wants to hear it. Especially those of us who have been around long enough to experience your repeated childish and classless displays.

Thanks everyone for the interesting and informative comments ,just when i saw daily rates at 3k and up to 5k i think thats criminal ! if you can afford that and want to pay it, good for you ! Its annoying though to see some wealthy hunters mocking less well heeled hunters who cant afford to go on a $60,000.00 hunt each year or afford expensive English doubles etc ,i think thats pretty low and pathetic ,not everyone can be a Doctor ,Lawyer ,Dentist ,Surgeon whatever .I dont know why countries are closing Hunting ,when its in their financial Interest ,and conservation ,sustainable use etc ,whether they have been Paid off, by those with the intent of completely banning hunting, which is the goal of some groups, and they have the means and power to ultimately achieve that goal.

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I accept the current prices but not when the hunt outcome is a roll of the dice.I am not interested in going to Africa to hunt anything else but lion,leopard,cape buff and ele.I go to Africa to see game-lots of it not two spend two weeks in the bush from sunrise to sunset and see nothing.

Stop being a cry baby. There is a reason it is called hunting and not shooting. If you want a sure thing book a hunt in South Africa and stop whining.

You can make hunting as challenging as you want it to be,just take away the game.

You act like you are the only person that ever went on an unsuccessful hunt. Ask all the folks that have done wild lion hunts if it is a sure thing. Grow up, man up.

All those that went on lion hunts and paid the full price and did not shoot their lions are idiots,IMO.

There is one idiot on this thread. Go look in the mirror. There are no guarantees in hunting, nor should there be.

Fine then I will stay home.

GREAT!!!!

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I accept the current prices but not when the hunt outcome is a roll of the dice.I am not interested in going to Africa to hunt anything else but lion,leopard,cape buff and ele.I go to Africa to see game-lots of it not two spend two weeks in the bush from sunrise to sunset and see nothing.

Stop being a cry baby. There is a reason it is called hunting and not shooting. If you want a sure thing book a hunt in South Africa and stop whining.

You can make hunting as challenging as you want it to be,just take away the game.

You act like you are the only person that ever went on an unsuccessful hunt. Ask all the folks that have done wild lion hunts if it is a sure thing. Grow up, man up.

All those that went on lion hunts and paid the full price and did not shoot their lions are idiots,IMO.

There is one idiot on this thread. Go look in the mirror. There are no guarantees in hunting, nor should there be.

Fine then I will stay home.

GREAT!!!!

Wow! Say it ain't so! This is one of those moments you can just never forget and which almost becomes a part of your identity merely by witnessing the occurrence. It's like watching Dan O'Brien's Olympic glory, Jean Van de Velde's British Open conquest, or Michael Jordan's World Series triumph.

Somewhere in Zimbabwe a cow buffalo is smiling, but I am diminished.....

I dont have to travel so far and pay so much to experience failure.That is why I went to Africa-because it was a place for me where there was no such thing as failure! Call me nuts but I dont give a shit!