I think everyone is totally overthinking this. We all know the risk when we hunt buffalo. This hunter wound up with a broken neck.

By the way, is a .350 even legal in Uganda?

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Originally posted by lavaca:
I think everyone is totally overthinking this. We all know the risk when we hunt buffalo. This hunter wound up with a broken neck.

By the way, is a .350 even legal in Uganda?

I find your post pretty damn stupid. Why are we overthinking this incident? Lets not forget not only did the client lose his life but his PH came close to losing his too and it seems it all came down to a rifle misfunctioning.
No guarantee the client would have been effective in putting the wounded buffalo down with his follow up shot but at the short range involved and reasonable calibre of his gun, something would have been better than nothing.
There are risks involved in any hunting, climbing around cold and icy mountains hunting Tahr as we do here is very risky, probably more so than hunting Africa with a PH and other support in the party, but we manage risk.
How a rifle bolt could come out of an action in pieces on the ground after firing a shot and wounding a buffalo is beyond most of our logical thinking. Was it human or mechanical failure, that's the question we could all benefit from knowing the answer to.

It's about managing risk, not closing ones eyes and ears and hoping it doesn't happen to you.

. . . let’s see, we have six specks of pepper and five specks of fly shit. Let’s keeping picking.

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . let’s see, we have six specks of pepper and five specks of fly shit. Let’s keeping picking.

No-one is asking or forcing you to take part in this discussion but you are free to add your peppered fly shit

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Originally posted by eagle27:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . let’s see, we have six specks of pepper and five specks of fly shit. Let’s keeping picking.

No-one is asking or forcing you to take part in this discussion but you are free to add your peppered fly shit

I am sure we haven’t heard the end of this.

Too many questions still remain unanswered!

I'd say to eagle and others who disagree with me, that a whole lot of this doesn't make sense. For example, the bolt was found next to the body, but where was the rifle, which likely went flying when the hunter was impacted? And the hunter was likely relocated by the impact too. So how is the bolt next to the body? Maybe he was holding it?

Does not make sense to me. My only point is that we won't ever have all the answers and that shouldn't matter. The hunter took a risk and this time it didn't work out, but he died doing what he loved.

I told my wife years ago that if I died on a hunt she should not go to the effort and expense of repatriating my body, but rather just bury me there. It was where I wanted to be. And no need to look into details, that's just a rabbit hole that prevents closure.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
I'd say to eagle and others who disagree with me, that a whole lot of this doesn't make sense. For example, the bolt was found next to the body, but where was the rifle, which likely went flying when the hunter was impacted? And the hunter was likely relocated by the impact too. So how is the bolt next to the body? Maybe he was holding it?

Does not make sense to me. My only point is that we won't ever have all the answers and that shouldn't matter. The hunter took a risk and this time it didn't work out, but he died doing what he loved.

I told my wife years ago that if I died on a hunt she should not go to the effort and expense of repatriating my body, but rather just bury me there. It was where I wanted to be. And no need to look into details, that's just a rabbit hole that prevents closure.

Who said the bolt was next to the body? I saw two pictures as I recall . One of the gun and one of pieces of the bolt on the ground . The body was in neither picture I saw .

The client fired a shot.

He wounded the buffalo.

On the follow up the rifled misfired.

Then he was attacked and killed.

Then the bolt comes out of the rifle, and dislodges the firing pin!

Does not make any sense whatsoever!

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by lavaca:
I'd say to eagle and others who disagree with me, that a whole lot of this doesn't make sense. For example, the bolt was found next to the body, but where was the rifle, which likely went flying when the hunter was impacted? And the hunter was likely relocated by the impact too. So how is the bolt next to the body? Maybe he was holding it?

Does not make sense to me. My only point is that we won't ever have all the answers and that shouldn't matter. The hunter took a risk and this time it didn't work out, but he died doing what he loved.

I told my wife years ago that if I died on a hunt she should not go to the effort and expense of repatriating my body, but rather just bury me there. It was where I wanted to be. And no need to look into details, that's just a rabbit hole that prevents closure.

Who said the bolt was next to the body? I saw two pictures as I recall . One of the gun and one of pieces of the bolt on the ground . The body was in neither picture I saw .

What you saw Larry is not what UWS stated in its report.

But we KNOW they lied in their original report!

Why?

I truly hate to say this after 20 years as a member, but AR has become an echo chamber for morons.

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Originally posted by Lhook7:
I truly hate to say this after 20 years as a member, but AR has become an echo chamber for morons.

Ah well with 20 years membership you've earned your place in the echo chamber of moron's too. Perhaps Saeed could issue moron badges to long serving members

Look all jokes aside all we, those of us with enquiring minds and not prepared to just shut down conversation, are asking is how the hell does a rifle bolt that operates perfectly to fire a shot then misfires on the next shot then comes free of the rifle and is found on the ground in pieces. A very respected brand of rifle too. Yes bolts have been known to come free of the rifle but to be dismantled of the major components, without humane intervention I'll add, is just not logical.

Did the client do something to the bolt at some stage after the one shot was fired that wounded the buffalo or was the scene staged to ensure all blame was laid on the client.

Something doesn't add up and I'm happy to be called a moron for asking questions as persistent and awkward to some as they may be.

Unfortunately, sometimes there are questions to which the only answer is ----Nobody knows! Sometimes there are answers but those who know refuse to tell so the result is the same.
I would imagine, given the possible reputational damage, that Sako are already doing an internal investigation. The results will only ever be made public if they totally exonerate the company. If the fault was with an early model which has now been fixed we may find out. If it is a fault in the current model we will soon see a new model being sold.
Either way, we could continue this discussion until the cows come home (or even until your elephant tusks finally come home) but there will be no answers.
The insults and animosity in this discussion are totally unnecessary and will do nothing to help find answers, and there may never be any answers so let's all move on to friendly topics.

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Originally posted by the Pom:
Unfortunately, sometimes there are questions to which the only answer is ----Nobody knows! Sometimes there are answers but those who know refuse to tell so the result is the same.
I would imagine, given the possible reputational damage, that Sako are already doing an internal investigation. The results will only ever be made public if they totally exonerate the company. If the fault was with an early model which has now been fixed we may find out. If it is a fault in the current model we will soon see a new model being sold.
Either way, we could continue this discussion until the cows come home (or even until your elephant tusks finally come home) but there will be no answers.
The insults and animosity in this discussion are totally unnecessary and will do nothing to help find answers, and there may never be any answers so let's all move on to friendly topics.

Bingo. Spot on.

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by the Pom:
Unfortunately, sometimes there are questions to which the only answer is ----Nobody knows! Sometimes there are answers but those who know refuse to tell so the result is the same.
I would imagine, given the possible reputational damage, that Sako are already doing an internal investigation. The results will only ever be made public if they totally exonerate the company. If the fault was with an early model which has now been fixed we may find out. If it is a fault in the current model we will soon see a new model being sold.
Either way, we could continue this discussion until the cows come home (or even until your elephant tusks finally come home) but there will be no answers.
The insults and animosity in this discussion are totally unnecessary and will do nothing to help find answers, and there may never be any answers so let's all move on to friendly topics.

Bingo. Spot on.

Agree fully.