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Posted 15 January 2006 17:45
Sheephunter ----- I read all the information very slowly. I will repeat what I said very slowly. Pierre' tried to accomodate your hunt to the best of his ability and resources available. .



Sheep Hunter,
You are also missing the fact (Pierre'tried to accomodate your hunt.)
The block you hunted Masailand if in fact the industry knew it was empty of game had a smaller rental fee that a block that would be full of DG.

PVT & Company made much more money on your booking, with the switch because, (his ability and resources available)
 
Posts: 14 | Location: North of the Equator on the Estero De Cojimies | Registered: 07 December 2005Reply With Quote
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The facts, such as they are, have been presented repeatedly on the other thread. There is no need to repeat and reiterate what has already been covered to a nauseating degree. Let it play out there.
This is nothing more than an attempt to transfer the dispute to the main forum on this site and get more people involved. Keep the dispute where it belongs. On the origional thread.

TerryR


Terry,

your implied notion to "keep the dirt contained" ,not your words but mine Smiler is admirable.

Please keep in mind though that I chose to defend - not my position , but the actual facts, whenever they get twisted, obviously to ridicule me or show that this is a non issue.

Akin to the same,the thread is not a dispute.
At least I tried to simply enlighten our membership as to th actual facts,not disputing them.

The few that dispute,you will see,always try to interpret and doubt the presented facts.

Rusty,
I answered similar inquieries from folks that the issue deserves "some accomodation"

I had sent Pierre by E mail my position and offered my help resolving any issue.I had no answer.

Apart from that,given that I am not starting a legal action, and this is not a legal proceeding...

I repeat that any action has to come from Pierre.

Neither he nor his agent Ray Atkinson have advanced a willingness to even accept the presented facts as reality.

On the contrary, he is perpetuating manufactoring stories to excuse the switch of concessions etc.

Too bad, I had hoped differently
,I am deeply shaken by how wrong I pegged Pierres word
 
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Sheephunter ----- I read all the information very slowly. I will repeat what I said very slowly. Pierre' tried to accomodate your hunt to the best of his ability and resources available. .


phurley

To add a bit to 91Q45's post. Irishkibur is one of the worst consessions in TZ in October. It is devoid of water at the worst part of the Dry. It is a Masai Cattle area and any available water is used by their Cattle.

It is an 'Open' area. This means that Resident Hunters and any outfitter can use it. It is not managed for quality. It is cheap. It is always available. No one wants it at this time, October.

Until Pierre comes out of hiding sofa and answers or at least responds to this thread or to SH by email this will not go away. Surrogate Pierres, throwing Red Herrings, doesn't cut it.
 
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Sheephunter was sent a schedule of the change to Irishkibur some time before the hunt and was offered a refund. He choose to not take the refund as he has stated. We all wish for the clock to be turned back so we could have make a different dicision at the time. wave Good shooting.


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Sheephunter was sent a schedule of the change to Irishkibur some time before the hunt and was offered a refund. He choose to not take the refund as he has stated. We all wish for the clock to be turned back so we could have make a different dicision at the time. wave Good shooting.


This also has been explored in depth,but as you chose to question it AGAIN,there is the apparent need to explain and clarify AGAIN.

SH,thats me chose to trust Pierre and Ray when they assured me that he irishkibur area would be equal or better. Based on my judgement I trusted that assurance.

I and we now know that this trust was misplaced.

The basis for my accepting the Irishkibor was wrong.

The Irishkibor is known to be inferior,it was presented as equal or better.
I was asked to trust and allow Pierre to prove.
I did.

The rest is history

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Some guys seem to be saying that it is ok for PVT to rip Sheephunter off as long as a refund was offered before the hunt takes place.

The refund offer tells me that PVT and Ray knew they were in breach of the contract with SH. But they also tried to convince SH to go on the hunt anyway, which SH did.

But the refund does not excuse the behavior of Ray and PVT in any way. It only makes SH's regret all the more stinging.

If Ray and PVT had been completely honest, forthcoming and truthful with SH, then I am sure SH would have taken the refund. So if anyone wants to know why SH did not take the refund, just look back on tall tale he was told about superior hunting in Masailand.
 
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Sheephunter

I'm not trying to "contain" anything. Those who wish to wallow in the mud of the fingerpointing that has become your hunt report, a report that you had every right to make, are free to continue to do so on that thread. I, however, see no reason why it should dominate the entire board. As I have said, since PVT has no intention of posting anything directly, we have learned all that we are likely to learn. We certainly know enough for any rational person to make up his own mind about booking with Ray/PVT. Since there is nothing more to be gained I would prefer to move on to other issues.

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Since there is nothing more to be gained I would prefer to move on to other issues.

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So why post on this thread.

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Pat,

You are unfortunately missing the whole point.

this is NOT a discussion of a hunt that didnt turn out the way hoped for.
We all had those,and as you say correctly,thats life.

In my case I did careful planning,research etc,including our favorite Pierre.

Pierre offered me a hunt in the Kigosi,agreeing with all my desired gamebag.

I contracted and bought that hunt from what I believed to be an honest person.
Represented by an honest agent,who vouched for him.

The hunt was switched without my consent to a subpar area.

The area was switched because - as evident - the sold concession did not belong to Pierre.

He sold something he did not own and could not get.


I agreed to join Pierre in the switched area ,again because I chose to believe that the area would be at least equal.

Well Pat, it wasn's equal, it was dismal for the DG hunt booked.

That fact was known to others and I am sure to Pierre,but he doesnt have many choices to hunt me in when the original sold concession goes puff.

I dont know whether you are able to distinguish these factors.

they are totally distinct and seperate.

Yes Pierre is a pleasure to hunt with and he tries hard for us.but he cant pull the rabbit out of the hat when there aint no rabbits in the country.

And yes, from all available evidence this was not an accident but willful
on top of that attempts were made to discredit me for speaking up.


My apologies to those who are tired of hearing about this. I just thought I'd use this space to preserve a simple statement of sheephunter's side of the story, to reply, if I ever feel it is my place, to someone who would pretend that something else is the issue. Of course, someone might prove that something else is the issue, or convince someone that sheephunter's statements are not facts, but I don't think I've seen that yet.

Forgive my interruption; carry on.
 
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Every week or so I open one of these two threads to see if there is anything new. It's kind of like watching a train wreck in slow motion -- I don't want to watch, but my morbid curiosity gets the best of me.

Finding nothing new, I'll stay away for another week or so.
 
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Gotta agree GAHUNTER.

I dont think anything will ever be "resolved". If the intent was to taint someones feelings towards future dealings with a couple people, then that has definitely been accomplished. I think anyone with 1/2 and ounce of brain matter will question a little deeper on those peple based on what has been posted whether its true or not. I dont have an opinion one way or the other.

But, like I said already, mission has been accomplished.


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Every week or so I open one of these two threads to see if there is anything new. It's kind of like watching a train wreck in slow motion -- I don't want to watch, but my morbid curiosity gets the best of me.

Finding nothing new, I'll stay away for another week or so.



Do us all a favor, and if there is nothing new let the thread lie.

Posting just to bring it to the top and have everyone look to see if there is any new content when there is none wastes all of our time.

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Don,

Your own posting pulls the thread to the top. Big Grin

It is a pity that Saaed will not endorse Ray/PVT.

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why should he?



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why should he?


If their worth endorsing Saeed will do it.....just a couple of lines of typing.

But your "why should he" is about as good as it gets for backing Sheephunter's side of the story.

Mike
 
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I will not have friends who commit fraud because they do not hold the same values as me. Nor do I stick my head down in the sand like an ostrich as some here do.


I think you're better off sticking to elephants, Grains. You know as much about ostriches as you do about friendship, human nature, and humility.
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My question is, since grains is such a crusader for honesty, justice and the American way, did he turn his "friends" in for commiting fraud? After all, wouldn't that be what such a crusader would do? Maybe grains is a democrat?


Try to show some class please.
 
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Perhaps you should heed your own advice. The photo you include in your posts is both tasteless and without class, but then, perhaps it suits you.


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Perhaps you should heed your own advice. The photo you include in your posts is both tasteless and without class, but then, perhaps it suits you.


For comparison, here is a photo posted by the site owner:



I don't see a problem with either photo.
 
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If I take my glasses off 500 grains photo looks like Sunday morning during a weekend long college frat party


It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance
 
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I see no problems whatsoever with 500's photo. Actually, it is kinda cool!! beer


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Perhaps you should heed your own advice. The photo you include in your posts is both tasteless and without class, but then, perhaps it suits you.


Of course it's tasteless, that's why we like it!


It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance
 
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Perhaps you should heed your own advice. The photo you include in your posts is both tasteless and without class, but then, perhaps it suits you.


patrkyhntr,

Lighten up. 500grains' photo is not tasteless. Had he put lipstick and a dress on that baboon, now THAT would be tasteless. beer

Besides, you are not the arbiter of good taste on this site; that is management's purview.

Let this thread die.

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Let this thread die.

George


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Not in our lifetimes!!!!!!

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At least Mike won't ask for this thead to be locked. Amazing, I've been here for several years and now suddenly "by the request of the originator" threads are being locked, never mind the sometimes 100s of follow up posts.


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When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere.

NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR.

I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process.
 
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At least Mike won't ask for this thead to be locked. Amazing, I've been here for several years and now suddenly "by the request of the originator" threads are being locked, never mind the sometimes 100s of follow up posts.


The old software (1 year ago now) let originators delete the whole thread.

No one complained when they were deleted.

Why complain now?

Don
 
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What is Mr. Atkinson doing with himself these days? Has he quit guiding or somehow lost credibility? I really can't imagine either but time does move on.
 
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Lighten up. 500grains' photo is not tasteless. Had he put lipstick and a dress on that baboon, now THAT would be tasteless. beer


OK, looked for that photo several times and disappointed not to find it?! Where is it?
 
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OK, looked for that photo several times and disappointed not to find it?! Where is it?


I think it was his prior signature picture with the baboon.
 
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Don,

Please move this thread to the Genitalia forum...there we can all decide for ourselves who's is bigger! animal


Good hunting,

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OK, looked for that photo several times and disappointed not to find it?! Where is it?


I think it was his prior signature picture with the baboon.


Thanks. No wonder I never noticed it. Just a baboon being held up by the shoulders Roll Eyes .
 
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