Saeed,

Not hidden amomg 1200 or 1300 postings.

Mike

Saeed has already done that, so how can the question be asked which implies it to be hidden when you state that is not hidden? Is this Aussie English?

Mike 378,
I think you are hoping to stirr up some shit! Often life's losers have no other way of getting attention other than being unpopular.

Saeed has regularly said he would have no hesitation in recommending Ray and PVT to a prospective hunter. That is HIS OPINION and he is entitled to it. What's the problem?

Still looking for your "Pound of Flesh", Mike?

This is not going to add to the common good.
Let anyone involved sort things out in their own good time. Saeed has stated his opinion about this matter once already now please let this go.
Frank

Rusty,

Your posting woud suggest that Saeed endorsing Atkinson/PVT in a separate thread is a problem.

Mike

Frank Martinez

If Saeed has complete faith in Atkinson/PVT it will not cause him the smallest worry starting a thread expressing his support and recommendation for Atkinson/PVT.

This is simple stuff.

Mike

It´s the one rotten apple...

Get a life.

Mike,

Although I don't think Saeed and I see eye to eye on the PVT thread, it seems to me that what you are asking for is just plain silly.

is it me or does anyone else think Mike378 is also Mickey1??????????????

Maybe I am not getting the point, but as Saeed has already expressed his confidence in RA/PVT by saying he would hunt with them again (and will!) what would the purpose be in him starting a thread to that point?

Why does this subject have to be opened in 4 different places?

There is already a thread opened on this, in the hunting reports. It's pretty obscure, only 77,000 views and damn near 1500 posts, doubt if ANY of you have seen it.


Mike, what is your agenda spamming other forums with this?

This thread is closed.

Please post your comments in the hunting reports forum please.
Don

I have reopened this thread because Mike is just going to keep reposting it over and over.

Maybe if he reads just how many people are sick and tired of reading the same shit over and over he'll get the message.

Obviously my closing the thread didn't sink in with him.




Don

I have been following the other thread with quite a bit of morbid fascination, but I hate to see this crap scattered all over AR. I think it should be confined to the original thread.

This is absolutely rediculous.

Saeed has made his position/opinion abundantly clear in the MEGA-thread.

Mike...are you too friggen lazy to search for Saeed's posts or are you trying to start something? I see no constructive result to your request. If you feel otherwise, why not take the time to clearly explain to the rest of us what you are up to and why?

Canuck

And the answer is YES---he's already stated it--end of thread---chris

Specifically -- Saeed's group had a good hunt, and said so again.

Sometimes the most important things in life where best intentions are in force -- examples: surgery and hunting -- don't work out.

Dan

Canuck

It is simple.

Saeed makes a thread that endorses Atkinson/PVT. In other words someone does not need to read 1300 postings to find a weak endorsement of Atkinson/PVT.

If Saeed makes the thread on the African forum then the other thread comes to an end.

Obviously, if Saeed will not make a thread on the African forum specifically endorsing Atkinson/PVT....well, game set and match is over for Atkinson/PVT.

Either way it brings the other thread to an end except for perhaps a bit of small talk etc.

Mike

quote:

Mike, what is your agenda spamming other forums with this?

Don, I think I posted on the African forum and Big Forum and as you know the thrust of post is for Saeed to start a thread that specifically endorses Atkinson/PVT

Saeed's couple of weak endorsements buried in 1300 postings in an obscure forum are seen by some people as a "no endorsement"

So I thought if Saeed started a thread in both the African and Big Bore forums that endorsed Atkinson/PVT it would be there for all to see.

Mike

Mike, did someone drop a wallaby on your head or something? You can't see people don't want this crap spilling out of the original thread and infecting the rest of the forums? Why in the world do you give a shit if Saeed posts his "endorsement" of PVT and/or Ray? You seem to be WAY to into this arguement for someone who is not directly involved. If SH feels he was wronged, he should get a goddamn lawyer and persue legal action. This whole sad affair does not need to be tried in this kangaroo court. I have an idea, maybe SH, Ray and PVT could all go on the People's Court. Hell, they could have the whole case adjudicated in 30 minutes, less commercials.

Mike-

What part of don't you understand?

Mike!

If Saeed feels he needs to make a stronger endorsement of Ray/PVT, I'm sure he knows how to do it. If you want to know more send him a private message and ask him.

465H&H

If no one else will say it I will, Mike, you're an asshole.
Dave

Tembo

Why did you increase the post count on this thread????

I started a thread and others will decide if they post. In your case it would appear that your desire to post exceeds your desire for the subject matter in question to be contained in one thread.

Mike

"If no one else will say it I will, Mike, you're an asshole."
Dave

And Dave....what is it about my post that causes you to think I am an asshole?

Mike

Mike

It may have escaped your attention that this forum is about African hunting in general not Ray/PVT or any other group of individuals. There already is a thread, indeed there have been several threads, regarding Sheephunter, Ray, and PVT. Saeed and others have posted their opinions on that thread ad nasum. There is no need for another thread dealing with a subject that has been beaten well beyond to death. If you can't draw your own conclusion by now, you never will. Let it go. At this point I'd rather talk about the 45-70 for dangerous game or controlled round feeding than Saeed's, or anyone else's, opinion of Ray/PVT.

TerryR

quote:

Originally posted by Mike378:
Tembo

Why did you increase the post count on this thread????

I started a thread and others will decide if they post. In your case it would appear that your desire to post exceeds your desire for the subject matter in question to be contained in one thread.

Mike

Because you can't swing a dead cat on this whole site without running into this same tired old bullshit. Give it a rest.

TerryR

Are you saying a discussion on African PHs and agents for those African PHs does not meet "on topic" for this forum?

Or are you saying if the topic had been discussed on another forum then it should not be on the African forum? Does this mean if the 416 Rigby etc has been discussed to death on the Big Bore forums then the "416 Rigby" is not suitable for the African forum.

Mike

quote:

Originally posted by Mike378:
TerryR

Are you saying a discussion on African PHs and agents for those African PHs does not meet "on topic" for this forum?

Or are you saying if the topic had been discussed on another forum then it should not be on the African forum? Does this mean if the 416 Rigby etc has been discussed to death on the Big Bore forums then the "416 Rigby" is not suitable for the African forum.

Mike

You're really reaching, aren't you?

quote:

Originally posted by TerryR:
Mike

It may have escaped your attention that this forum is about African hunting in general not Ray/PVT or any other group of individuals. There already is a thread, indeed there have been several threads, regarding Sheephunter, Ray, and PVT. Saeed and others have posted their opinions on that thread ad nasum. There is no need for another thread dealing with a subject that has been beaten well beyond to death. If you can't draw your own conclusion by now, you never will. Let it go. At this point I'd rather talk about the 45-70 for dangerous game or controlled round feeding than Saeed's, or anyone else's, opinion of Ray/PVT.

TerryR

45-70 all the way!

Mike

I suggest that you do a search on "Ray, Pierre Von Tonder, Sheephunter". I think that you will find that this subject has been dealt with before.

TerryR

Terry,

As far as I aware there is no compulsion to join a thread.....something that seems to have escaped the 45/70 haters

But I think it is clear by now that Saeed will not endorse Atkinson/PVT except for a couple of lines tucked away among 1500 postings.

Mike

Back out of the forum side of Accurate Reloading.com and go into the Hunt Story side of the website and you'll find... Saeed's favorable stories of hunting with Ray and Pierre. Saeed has hunted with Ray and Pierre and other members have done so also and their stories are there for the world to see.

Further, I distinctly remember Saeed saying he would still book with Ray and hunt with Pierre again in the future.

What more do you need? Saeed to come right out, right now and reaffirm his opinion? Why?

As a sidebar comment, as Saeed is the owner of this website, I wouldn't screw with him too much...

will somebody please just shoot the sonofabitch & put him and everyone else out of his misery

Guys, Mike might not be just trying to stir up shit for the sake of being a total dickhead. It might be that he actually planning his own safari and is wanting to book with Ray and Pierre. He probably forgot how to use e-mail to contact Saeed directly and find out his opinion that way.

Now, why in the hell ONE PERSON's opinion matters more than anybody elses and makes a bad case against Ray just because he DOESN'T post in their defense/support I cannot figure out. Might be that Saeed is like a lot of people, doesn't like the smell of shit and knows if he lets the people that love it pull him into it with them then it'll get on him too.

I am hoping to get the wife to let me book a hunt, probably going to be for 2009 unless something great happens financially, and you know what I have been doing? EXTENSIVE SEARCHES. I am sure that Saeed has made a report of every safari he has gone on since starting the forums, find the damn report and see what he said there, I figure that is even better than what he might have said in some monster thread as you'll get details.

I suspect he is succeeding in doing what his real intent was, pissing people off. some people contribute absolutely nothing to society, they're just parasites. But we need them, without worthless pieces of shit then there would be nothing to make anyone stand out as a sterling individual. I hate stupid people, but they make even me look good

Red

I would not hesitate on booking with Ray or PVT. Ray has always been cordial in his dealings with me and he was a good guy to have around on the board.

IMO

quote:

Originally posted by Dago Red:
Guys, Mike might not be just trying to stir up shit for the sake of being a total dickhead.

Wanna Bet?????

I do not think that this post is value add whatsoever.

FYI- SheepHunter has just added some additional info on the original thread (where all this stuff belongs):
e-mail correspondance b/w SH & Ray, Cc.Pierre...

quote:

Originally posted by Mike378:
"If no one else will say it I will, Mike, you're an asshole."
Dave

And Dave....what is it about my post that causes you to think I am an asshole?

Mike

Ok, Mike. I'll play your game (once).
The reason I say you're an asshole is that there's no reason, other than just to be an asshole, to start a thread that's been covered as much as, and as thoroughly as your question.
I could be wrong. You may just be a pathetic little cretin who desperately seeks attention.
End of my contribution. And, as always, have a nice day!
Dave

quote:

Posted Jan 10, 2:26 AM
Frank Martinez

If Saeed has complete faith in Atkinson/PVT it will not cause him the smallest worry starting a thread expressing his support and recommendation for Atkinson/PVT.

This is simple stuff.

This is as stupid now as it was at 2 this morning. I really dislike this and I know Saeed does not need anyone defending his actions. Perhaps his inaction is the greatest blast he could make against you and that is to not recognize you as a worthy person to respond to. I will therefore take his lead and suggest everyone else do the same.

Lets everyone simply boycott anything Mike has to say now and in the future.

And Mike. "May you live in interesting times"
Frank