Mr. Almost,

I think Mike is attempting to draw a distinction between defending PVT on the mega thread, versus providing a stand-alone public endorsement. If you go to the Hunting pages (not in the forums section), there is contact information for Ganyana Safaris (Roy Vincent). That looks like an endorsement. I did not find a separate listing for PVT, although the difference in treatment may be inadvertent.

In one sense, the thousands of DVDs that Saeed mailed around the world (at his own expense) of his hunts with PVT could be interpreted as a stand-alone public endorsement. Or some folks might interpret them to be factual reporting of past events for which any advertising or endorsement effect is merely incidental.

Thanks, Grains. But, I've said all I've got to say on this topic.
Happy New Year, BTW.
Dave

Frank,

It does not matter whether you and everyone else boycotts my postings.

But a simple stand alone thread with Saeed endorsing both Atkinson and PVT would surely enhance the reputation of both men in matters relating to the organising of African safaris.

Happy New Year and have a nice evening

Mike

Let's see. . . .where did I put that. . . .?

Ah, there it is!

Sorry I'm so late. I had to fly over to Australia to start this thread under my other identity.

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cats Posted Jan 10, 3:42 AM
one of us

is it me or does anyone else think Mike378 is also Mickey1??????????????

Smoking too much Bhang today Bwana?

Put it to rest...I know two of the three people actually involved in this thread and I trust both of them implicitly...yes, even with my money...the other I do not know, thus I cannot say the same about him...enough, already. Arthur Olds

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If Saeed makes the thread on the African forum then the other thread comes to an end.

What? how does Saeed have anything to do with SH and his ill fated hunt? Take your ax ang grind it elsewhere. I am in agrement with Almostacowboy.

Amazing how some people get their kicks on the Internet.

Just by being themselves I suppose - stark, raving, mad idiots

saving...

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Amazing how some people get their kicks on the Internet.

Just by being themselves I suppose - stark, raving, mad idiots

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Originally posted by Mickey1:
Sorry I'm so late. I had to fly over to Australia to start this thread under my other identity.

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cats Posted Jan 10, 3:42 AM
one of us

is it me or does anyone else think Mike378 is also Mickey1??????????????

Smoking too much Bhang today Bwana?

Mickey1 which identity would that be today? Troll,wannabe African trecker, firearms guru,etc...... BTW once again many find it odd how you and 500 gr show up at the same place once more

Based on the preposterous bull shit that Saeed is "repeating" from PVT on the SH thread, I can only assume he owns part or all of his operation so what would his endorsement mean? Friendship is one thing, losing your rational abilities is something else. Since I believe Saeed to be of sound mind, I can only conclude that he has a financial motive in speaking for PVT.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Amazing how some people get their kicks on the Internet.

Just by being themselves I suppose - stark, raving, mad idiots

Perhaps infants is a better word than is idiot, Saeed.

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Originally posted by cats:

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Originally posted by Mickey1:
Sorry I'm so late. I had to fly over to Australia to start this thread under my other identity.

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cats Posted Jan 10, 3:42 AM
one of us

is it me or does anyone else think Mike378 is also Mickey1??????????????

Smoking too much Bhang today Bwana?

Mickey1 which identity would that be today? Troll,wannabe African trecker, firearms guru,etc...... BTW once again many find it odd how you and 500 gr show up at the same place once more

I think today I'll be......hmmmm....... Wynwood.

Whoops, sorry, I see that's you.

Do you get more Bhang for your buck, Bwana.

Geeze I had 4 PMs overnite telling me you are Carmello..know what I believe them too!

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Originally posted by cats:
Geeze I had 4 PMs overnite telling me you are Carmello..know what I believe them too!

I don't believe you. I don't think there are three other posters here as dumb as you.

Besides, Don has limited Carmello to only one alternate identity and that is Michell Prattlewood.

More Bhang, Bwana? Inhale and hold it longer. The world will become clear.

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Originally posted by cats:

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Originally posted by Mickey1:
Sorry I'm so late. I had to fly over to Australia to start this thread under my other identity.

quote:

cats Posted Jan 10, 3:42 AM
one of us

is it me or does anyone else think Mike378 is also Mickey1??????????????

Smoking too much Bhang today Bwana?

Mickey1 which identity would that be today? Troll,wannabe African trecker, firearms guru,etc...... BTW once again many find it odd how you and 500 gr show up at the same place once more

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Originally posted by cats:

Geeze I had 4 PMs overnite telling me you are Carmello..know what I believe them too!

So Mickey1 is Mike378 is 500grains is Carmelo.

I think you seriously need to stop smoking those funny smelling cigarettes Cats...

Erik it buzzed over your head like an SST

Actually, it didn't.

But I still think you need to stay away from the "wacky tabacky".

Erik if you were stateside you'd know that a prescription of your wacky tabacky is given freely in the Grand Republic of California for medical reasons.... basically if you get a splinter in your ass a Ca Dr. will give you a script for it.
For my own tastes though I prefer Crown & ice but thanks for your concern

Something else seems to keep going over someone else's head too.

Come on Bwana?

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
Based on the preposterous bull shit that Saeed is "repeating" from PVT on the SH thread, I can only assume he owns part or all of his operation so what would his endorsement mean? Friendship is one thing, losing your rational abilities is something else. Since I believe Saeed to be of sound mind, I can only conclude that he has a financial motive in speaking for PVT.

Gatogordo,


I have absolutely no financial interest in anything Ray or Pierre are involved in.

Some of us will stand up for our friends, regardless of not having any financial involvement with them!

Saeed : Not everyone whom posts here is as ungratefull nor have such poor manners to make comments such as his.
I would like to thank you for the AR site. TLM

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Originally posted by NitroX:
Something else seems to keep going over someone else's head too.

Come on Bwana?

And now the trio is complete! 500, Mick and X.
What's the matter did you 3 finally get bored with spanking Ray's dead horse?

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Some of us will stand up for our friends, regardless of not having any financial involvement with them!

And apparently regardless of what behavior they engage in.

So let's for a moment assume that PVT is telling the truth (no matter how skeptical I may be). According to PVT he did not promise Dietmar a hunt in Kigosi.

But PVT also did not get Dietmar's permission for the concession change. When $30K+ is riding on the hunt, that is not exactly proper courtesy to show toward a client. Further, PVT stated the reason for the change was better hunting in Masailand than Kigosi. But that turned out to be false, and it was known to several AR members to be false even before the hunt. And PVT did not send advance scouts into the concession as he says is his practice. If he had, then it would have been clear to PVT that the Masailand concession was near empty and that the "change" of concession was a mistake.

So even if we assume PVT is telling the truth, he is a very poor business manager and an inept PH.

However, I do not think that is the case. I think he is an excellent business manager and maximizes revenue for his business. Thus it appears that he intended to collect the funds for Dietmar's hunt no matter what, even if the concession that he and Dietmar agreed on was not available, and even if it meant that Dietmar would have a crappy hunt. That is my take on it, but others may draw different conclusions.

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I can only conclude that he has a financial motive in speaking for PVT.

GatoGordo Thanks so much for providing the definitive definition of silly.

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Originally posted by partsman:

Your attempt at humor is very offensive.

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
Based on the preposterous bull shit that Saeed is "repeating" from PVT on the SH thread, I can only assume he owns part or all of his operation so what would his endorsement mean? Friendship is one thing, losing your rational abilities is something else. Since I believe Saeed to be of sound mind, I can only conclude that he has a financial motive in speaking for PVT.

I don't know about his motives other than his friendship, but I don't think it is financial!
Saeed could buy every buffalo in Tansania, and every safari company, and still have a better income, and bank account than anyone on this forum. I don't think he is driven by money!

I believe he is simply a friend, that has his own opinion of who is at fault here, and is not afraid to state that fact, nothing more!

What makes what he says BS? The fact that he doesn't agree with you, or is it that he has the facts not known to you? His opinion may be guided by those facts, while the rest of us are impressed with our own opinions, and can't stand to be disagreed with? Addtionally, what makes what he says BS, while what you say is fact? OPINIONS, and ASSHOLES..........Everybody has one!

I'm not sideing either way, because the "FACTS" given on this forum, are not evidence, but opinion, nothing more!

If you want to know what is bull shit, it is this whole string of poison being dispenced, no matter which way it is pointed, without knowing what your trying to kill!

This string is, BIG WIND COME FROM EMPTY CAVE!

500grains,

Perhaps Saeed, Ray and PVT are just floating some trial balloons, you know, getting their act together, all trying to be on the same page of the script before they meet potential customers at DSCI and Reno.

Your attempt at humor is very offensive.

Jim[/quote]

Jim,
It is beyond belief anyone could have posted a picture, with a retarted kid, and the text it contains. Shows the level of disgust this whole episode has declined into.
DRG should have left this thread closed and Saeed should closed the other.

Roger QSL

partsman needs to crawl into a hole and contemplate his attitude

partsman,

That is really not in good taste.

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Originally posted by cats:

And now the trio is complete! 500, Mick and X.
What's the matter did you 3 finally get bored with spanking Ray's dead horse?

Early this morning you said I was Mike378.

Later this morning you said I was Carmello.

Now I'm part of a Triumvirate?

Why would you say such a thing?

You should also show where I have said anything negative about Ray.

Aside from saying I thought Pierre should come on and personally give his side, where have I said anything negative about him?

You are starting to babble like an idiot.

You really should knock off the Bhang, Bwana.

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Originally posted by 500grains:

And apparently regardless of what behavior they engage in.

You know, Grains, it may surprise you to find out that a real friend doesn't bail out on a pal because some third party accuses the friend of some "perceived" indescretion, act of poor judgement, rumor, or whatever description you'd like to use. Real friends stick together through thick and thin. They get through tough times together. You must be some kind of real pal (please read with appropriate sarcasm).
I'll give you credit, though. You are a tenacious SOB. Like a rich man clutching his gold on a sinking ship, you've made up your mind and that's that.

Dave

Almost,

I will not have friends who commit fraud because they do not hold the same values as me. Nor do I stick my head down in the sand like an ostrich as some here do.

Dave

I know this is taking it to an extreme to illustrate a point..............

But if your best friend turned out to be one of the people behind September 11, would you maintain your friendship. Would you defend him?

Saeed still can't endorse Atkinson/PvT on this thread.

Saeed has deserted them.

If Saeed is their true friend and has no reservations about Atkinson/PvT he will start his own thread that endorses them.

Bur it won't happen.

Mike

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Originally posted by Mike378:
Dave

I know this is taking it to an extreme to illustrate a point..............

But if your best friend turned out to be one of the people behind September 11, would you maintain your friendship. Would you defend him?

You trying to be funny, right?

Saeed still can't endorse Atkinson/PvT on this thread.

Saeed has deserted them.

If Saeed is their true friend and has no reservations about Atkinson/PvT he will start his own thread that endorses them.

Bur it won't happen.

Mike

You're a Democrat, right?

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Originally posted by 500grains:
Almost,

I will not have friends who commit fraud because they do not hold the same values as me. Nor do I stick my head down in the sand like an ostrich as some here do.

I think you're better off sticking to elephants, Grains. You know as much about ostriches as you do about friendship, human nature, and humility.

Dave

[/QUOTE]

You're a Democrat, right? [/QUOTE]

Nah, He's just a jerk. Not all jerks are democrats.

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Originally posted by almostacowboy:

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:
Almost,

I will not have friends who commit fraud because they do not hold the same values as me. Nor do I stick my head down in the sand like an ostrich as some here do.

I think you're better off sticking to elephants, Grains. You know as much about ostriches as you do about friendship, human nature, and humility.

Dave

My question is, since grains is such a crusader for honesty, justice and the American way, did he turn his "friends" in for commiting fraud? After all, wouldn't that be what such a crusader would do? Maybe grains is a democrat?