The gentleman seems to be suggesting that economic prosperity reduces poaching, or at least reduces some subsistence poaching.

Political considerations aside, I believe that he is correct.

Still, if a man and his family are adversely affected by political considerations, he cannot easily put them aside.

As Patrick Henry said, "Give me liberty, or give me death."

The trouble with Zimbabwe is that racial regime change has brought no real liberty, but plenty of death.

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Originally posted by SableTrail:

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Very simple!!! lets take Zim as an example. Get someone like Ian Smith back in charge of the country as i am told and can read eveyone had a roof over there head,a job,money in their pocket,food in their belly and an export market that exported more cattle/beef to europe than south america does to the USA!!!!!!!What have they got thank to Bod and his fools???? JACK SHIT!

Can someone interpret that for me? I'd like to try to understand this gentleman's point of view.

I think like Michael Robinson has the jist of what was trying to put forward. What puzzles me is the last sentence in his post highlighted in bold print above! Who are Bod, and his fools ?????????????? The only thing I can think of is he meant "BOB", not Bod!

Robert Mugabe. Communists always bring death and poverty, despite their promises of plenty and equality
http://www.globalpolitician.co...61-rhodesia-zimbabwe

OK I get it now and certainly agree. But the last line puzzled me too Mac especially since that three letter word starting with B is a nickname for a friend of ours, which really threw me for a loop. I'm presuming like you that it was a typo making reference to Zim's leader.

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How do you discourage people from taking care of problem animals when they directly affect their financial situation. They need to see some sort of economic benefit or have a more diverse economic structure (read not livestock based).

Give them a bigger financial incentive to let a hunter shoot it! More people will benefit from the lions death that way.

I'm not sure what the price of a cow is in various parts of Africa, but I would bet a couple head of cattle are more affordable than even a PAC trophy fee on a lion.

Sevens...that requires a low tribal population density...I pay the local San (bushman) community US$15000 for a regular lion and US$25000 for a trophy lion to stop them killing them. I have two lion on qota a year. This money pays for all the food for the old folks settlement (about 200) and the clinc...but the total population I am 'buying off' isn't large- some 1000 max (and being san they come and go)...they eat my Eland and I do not complain...they eat more of the botswana governments eland and most of the lion I shoot come out of bots....

If you trebeled that population, the money wouldn't stretch far enough and a few individuals would take matters back into their own hands despite the agreement with the elders.

Also if word gets out like it did in NyamiNyami, that huntng (CAMPFIRE) was providing not only schooling but each household with the minimum wage per month...then you get massive immigration of people looking for free hand outs...and the human population of the disctrict doubled in two years!Now the council no longer pays each house hold a 'retainer' each month for looking after the wildlife and poaching in the Omay is on the rise....

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Originally posted by SableTrail:
OK I get it now and certainly agree. But the last line puzzled me too Mac especially since that three letter word starting with B is a nickname for a friend of ours, which really threw me for a loop. I'm presuming like you that it was a typo making reference to Zim's leader.

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I certainly hope that is the case, and I believe it is a typo meant to identify "ROBBER BOB", and lackies!

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Rhino poachers and lion poisoners are what really get me.

Rhino and elephant are one thing, but lion poisoning is a whole other issue. How do you discourage people from taking care of problem animals when they directly affect their financial situation. They need to see some sort of economic benefit or have a more diverse economic structure (read not livestock based).

Brett

Well...from a purely numbers standpoint...ele can stand some poaching and lion can't stand poisoning. When the Massai poison lion carcasses...they sometimes wipe out a whole pride. Sometimes it might not be the individual that even killed the cattle.

Already...their are better alternatives available. They (Massai & others) just hate lion.

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They (Massai & others) just hate lion.

Lane is quite right.

All the while there's a single Masai with breath in his body on the planet, he'll kill lions at every opportunity and by any means possible.

They'll never, ever change.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Maybe they should ask Obama for a bailout or a stimulus.

NO.......don't do that.......he'll give it to them!!!!

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Originally posted by zhaba:
Very simple!!! lets take Zim as an example. Get someone like Ian Smith back in charge of the country as i am told and can read eveyone had a roof over there head,a job,money in their pocket,food in their belly and an export market that exported more cattle/beef to europe than south america does to the USA!!!!!!!What have they got thank to Bod and his fools???? JACK SHIT!

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Originally posted by SGraves155:
Robert Mugabe. Communists always bring death and poverty, despite their promises of plenty and equality
http://www.globalpolitician.co...61-rhodesia-zimbabwe

Steve - Excellent article! Too bad most of the world will never read it, or believe it.

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

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Originally posted by SGraves155:
Robert Mugabe. Communists always bring death and poverty, despite their promises of plenty and equality
http://www.globalpolitician.co...61-rhodesia-zimbabwe

Steve - Excellent article! Too bad most of the world will never read it, or believe it.

What is the difference between the poachers now and pondro taylor? Was he not a poacher,if then why is he seen as a hero?

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What is the difference between the poachers now and pondro taylor? Was he not a poacher,if then why is he seen as a hero?

one might ask the same about the famed WDM Bell.
men have dillusional ideological romantic perceptions of hunting as do women of marriage.
Some folk dont like Mexicans illegally jumping the border, yet they forget that whites jumped an ocean to take the land & lifestyle away from native indians.

mankind is full of hypocrisy.

a book of interest;.. Black poachers, white hunters: a social history of hunting in colonial Kenya

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Originally posted by Joe-S:
the only way to get rid of poacheing for profit is to get rid of the demand but I think we will never achive that.
Even a chance of being shot and killed does not seem to deterr the poachers
Joe

Agreed. Same with dope.

You can bust or kill every drug lord in Mexico and the rest of Latin America and the Middle East, and find dozens standing in line for the jobs.

Poaching will always be there.

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

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Originally posted by SGraves155:
Robert Mugabe. Communists always bring death and poverty, despite their promises of plenty and equality
http://www.globalpolitician.co...61-rhodesia-zimbabwe

Steve - Excellent article! Too bad most of the world will never read it, or believe it.

Cry for Rhodesia.

Thank you, Jimmy Catah...

I have removed snares and traps; shot injured game; burned poachers camps and arrested poachers, held them until rangers could arrive to take custody of them (sometimes days). They go to trial and receive a slap on the wrist.

These are bush meat poachers who sell the bush meat. While they may keep some for themselves, they are in it to make $$$. Traps and snares are indiscriminate and will trap everything from jungle rats to Kudu and Sable. The animals do not die a quick, clean death but rather suffer and starve to death.

I'll sort out poachers whenever I have the opportunity.