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Buying a farm or ranch in Africa?
11 July 2007, 08:12
kudu56Buying a farm or ranch in Africa?
Anyone ever give any thought or look into buying a place with game in Africa? RSA or Botswana? I have been looking, just don't know all the pro's and con's.
11 July 2007, 08:28
Balla Ballakudu56
We personally own/operate TWO private game ranches within South Africa, Limpopo Province.
More correctly we PREVIOUSLY OWNED TWO, we now totally own one, as the other is subject to a land claim (which we have in theory settled) and are in the process of hunting relocating and selling the game that exist upon the ranch.
We still (live and operate 100% on the claimed ranch) as per normal, so in reality (nothing has actually changed) at this point in time, and until we (clear all the animals) nothing will change, so we are should we say sitting pretty (-:
The other ranch we own in SA is (subject to a land claim, it has been gazetted) BUT knowing the system and (how long it takes) we might still be on the place for many years to come as just because a claim is gazetted THAT DOES NOT mean it will progress or succeed, it has to stand the test of the legal system which is inherantly VERY SLOW
The SA government (I think) is running VERY short of MONEY to pay the ranch owners so the status quo remains, we therefore have an asset which in theory BELONGS to the Claimant but we still live operate and enjoy all tre fruits of the land, and we also (own all the animals outright) within, so life is quire rosy in fact
In Zambia we (own three private ranches) totalling some 14,000 acre +- and there are NO problems in Zambia, as land is truly very abundant and UNDERUTALISED and the Governement has a (good system in place) for investors.
The European Union ALSO has some form of legal covenant / guarantee in place to protect the land owners, and as we ALL KNOW the Worldbank & International Monetory Fund have TOTALLY wiped all of Zambia's millions / billions of debt .... Whoopeee that is good for investors and BAD for overseas taxpayers !!!
I dont know much about Botswana.
So regards SA just look carefully into the land claim issue prior to purchase consideration
Cheers, Peter
11 July 2007, 09:09
L. David KeithI know of one ranch in RSA; 10K acres, prime cattle, horses and game. $4.3 million USD. But with the land issue, you'll never know when they come knocking. LDK
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11 July 2007, 16:10
Aspen Hill AdventuresDavid,
That ranch is going at prime US land rates, eh? And most people who post here would tell you they would not hunt on it because 10,000 acres isn't big enough.
~Ann
One thing to remember is that if you're not there physically or have a reliable caretaker, there's a good chance the locals will poach your animals and scavange anything they can.
I know of one guy in Botswana that had a small game farm. He had his entire impala herd poached; the locals cut his fence and set their dogs in. The dogs ran the impala up against the fence where they were speared.
When he returned six weeks later, five miles of his 2.4 meter steel game fencing had simply disappeared.
Caveat Emptor
S.
11 July 2007, 17:14
Nickudu"I
had a farm in Africa".
11 July 2007, 18:11
LHowellLDK
That 10,000 acres at $430 per, seems a bit steep. but certainly cheaper than US prices, well around here anyway. [or was that R4,300,000?
]
Depending on infrastructure it may be not too, too bad a price [fantastic lodges, thriving existing business ] but it is typical of the situation there now I think. Everyone is trying to get US prices for RSA land - and given the unpredictability of the future there, a risk adjustment needs to be factored in.
My friends there do not encourage their friends here to buy RSA land now.
But all that said it is very, very tempting still. Maybe a smallish place, investing only money you could survive without? With a trustworthy caretaker.
Les
12 July 2007, 00:58
GMaxsonArgentina, $40/acre. Red stag, boar, doves, perdiz, etc...
12 July 2007, 02:40
Gator1quote:
Originally posted by Balla Balla:
kudu56
We personally own/operate TWO private game ranches within South Africa, Limpopo Province.
More correctly we PREVIOUSLY OWNED TWO, we now totally own one, as the other is subject to a land claim (which we have in theory settled) and are in the process of hunting relocating and selling the game that exist upon the ranch.
We still (live and operate 100% on the claimed ranch) as per normal, so in reality (nothing has actually changed) at this point in time, and until we (clear all the animals) nothing will change, so we are should we say sitting pretty (-:
The other ranch we own in SA is (subject to a land claim, it has been gazetted) BUT knowing the system and (how long it takes) we might still be on the place for many years to come as just because a claim is gazetted THAT DOES NOT mean it will progress or succeed, it has to stand the test of the legal system which is inherantly VERY SLOW
The SA government (I think) is running VERY short of MONEY to pay the ranch owners so the status quo remains, we therefore have an asset which in theory BELONGS to the Claimant but we still live operate and enjoy all tre fruits of the land, and we also (own all the animals outright) within, so life is quire rosy in fact
In Zambia we (own three private ranches) totalling some 14,000 acre +- and there are NO problems in Zambia, as land is truly very abundant and UNDERUTALISED and the Governement has a (good system in place) for investors.
The European Union ALSO has some form of legal covenant / guarantee in place to protect the land owners, and as we ALL KNOW the Worldbank & International Monetory Fund have TOTALLY wiped all of Zambia's millions / billions of debt .... Whoopeee that is good for investors and BAD for overseas taxpayers !!!
I dont know much about Botswana.
So regards SA just look carefully into the land claim issue prior to purchase consideration
Cheers, Peter
Which of these two ranches was the one you were trying to sell Saeed a couple of years ago?
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12 July 2007, 03:04
boom stickhaving a ranch there would be so cool.
12 July 2007, 05:04
Balla Ballaquote:
Originally posted by Gator1:
Which of these two ranches was the one you were trying to sell Saeed a couple of years ago?
Hi Gatorl
I was not selling it direct to Saeed per se, I only floated the ranch idea as a potential sale for the general forum guests, but then when we were advised formally that it had been gazetted as a land cliam ranch I revoked the offer.
This is the main lodge lapa area on the land claimed ranch - property is over 6,000 acre
This one of the double chalets on the claimed ranch, there are 2 x double + 1 x 4 bed chalets
We only heard about our (second SA ranch claim) about a month ago, so that will (NO DOUBT) drag on infinitum I guess !!!
No worries, we carry on like nothing happined and continue hunting on the SA ranches
In Zambia we are progressing a (multi-million dollar) Exclusive VIP developement in conjunction with a South African luxury lodge development company (ARCON AFRICA) so we are not standing still at all, life in Africa is busy busy to say the least
Our Zambian (The Wildlife Collection - Born Free) VIP PROJECT will possibly be the PRIME Investment offer for (Wildlife Hunter Conservationists) in all of Southern Africa, with (24 x equity shares) to be on offer once we finalise and tidy up the remaining loose ends, soon.
Cheers, Peter