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Originally posted by fairgame:
Judge,

Remember your first footsteps on African soil? Would you not have done the same?

I have yet to meet a chap who is willing to follow up a wounded Lion or other dangerous game without his PH. I have offered this fantastic opportunity to all and to date have had no offers?

JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
I just read through the whole magazine.

Without looking hard, I found some really questionable actions related by the guys that wrote the articles on Africa, i.e., shooting an elephant at 100 yards (and not knowing much about the animal's anatomy), claiming he didn't kill the elephant quickly because his .458 Win. Mag. wouldn't penetrate as well as his .470 (which he left in the vehicle because he wasn't going far????.... a guy claiming he had a "dud" when it most probably was a short stroke (that after trying to neck shoot a buffalo with a solid, which will work if you know what you're doing, but???... a guy shooting an elephant from 70 meters after his P.H. told him not too (but he was too excited and did it anyway)...

The magazine needs editors! Some folks read it like it is the gospel. Lots of bad info being promulgated, IMHO.

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Originally posted by Kathi:
http://www.outdoorlife.com/pho...8/born-hunt?photo=10


PSmith, is this the bongo you are referring too?
Photo #11 of 13.

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Originally posted by Oryxhunter1983:
Yeah, funny thing with the DOG in the background of the photo...good thing they had their native trackers, didn't realize that was referring to Canines...hahah.

Fairgame- excellent joke. Don't most people hunt them with dogs?

I've gotten to the point where I don't really read hunting magazines, I look at ads and pics, but reading stories pumping equipment, I have no interest in, or hunts about buff/kudus/ect.... I would rather here about current issues. The posts on here normally are better than what gets posted in mags. IMO

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Judge,

Believe me you are very experienced and I have read your prose and it is very passionate. Africa is much the same to you as it is to me. There is very little difference here.

Just out of interest what is Gilead?

JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Judge,

Believe me you are very experienced and I have read your prose and it is very passionate. Africa is much the same to you as it is to me. There is very little difference here.

Just out of interest what is Gilead?

It is a reference to quotes both from the Bible and Poe's The Raven..
Good ol' Edgar asked of his feathery visitor:
`Prophet!' said I, `thing of evil! - prophet still, if bird or devil! -
Whether tempter sent, or whether tempest tossed thee here ashore,
Desolate yet all undaunted, on this desert land enchanted -
On this home by horror haunted - tell me truly, I implore -
Is there - is there balm in Gilead? - tell me - tell me, I implore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.'

An old hymn might answer him it better:

There is balm in Gilead,
To make the wounded whole ;
There's power enough in heaven,
To cure a sin-sick soul.

My faith aside (If one can do that?), I do find healing in a wild place and my favorite is The Selous!

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I have yet to meet a chap who is willing to follow up a wounded Lion or other dangerous game without his PH. I have offered this fantastic opportunity to all and to date have had no offers?

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Originally posted by Oryxhunter1983:
Fairgame,
SO I'm assuming you're opposed to hunting bongos with dogs? You know my position is prolly, "who cares?". I sure do know about black lists, hell there are certain Zambians who've banned me from their hunting camps!!!!! Couldn't resist that one..sorry! We're friends again I hope? I think there are surely worse things than AR blacklists...

Who is this "blondie" lion of which you speak?

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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I have yet to meet a chap who is willing to follow up a wounded Lion or other dangerous game without his PH. I have offered this fantastic opportunity to all and to date have had no offers?

And...I have yet to meet the PH that would not rather have another "competent gun" at his side when following up a cat or other dangerous game.

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Judge,

I have yet to meet a chap who is willing to follow up a wounded Lion or other dangerous game without his PH. I have offered this fantastic opportunity to all and to date have had no offers?

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Judge,

I have yet to meet a chap who is willing to follow up a wounded Lion or other dangerous game without his PH. I have offered this fantastic opportunity to all and to date have had no offers?

Andrew - You never offered that to me???

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Originally posted by Aaron: Andrew - You never offered that to me???

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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I have yet to meet a chap who is willing to follow up a wounded Lion or other dangerous game without his PH. I have offered this fantastic opportunity to all and to date have had no offers?

And...I have yet to meet the PH that would not rather have another "competent gun" at his side when following up a cat or other dangerous game.

ledvm,

Sorry that is rubbish, but if you insist then fine and good on you. The purest experience is to go it alone and anybody else is a liability. Think about it?

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Originally posted by Kathi:
http://www.outdoorlife.com/pho...8/born-hunt?photo=10


PSmith, is this the bongo you are referring too?
Photo #11 of 13.

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Originally posted by Bill C:

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Originally posted by Aaron: Andrew - You never offered that to me???

Aaron, you must settle up at the end of the trip....I have heard that widows are difficult to collect from.

Andrew - so are you saying that you would rather do the follow-up solo? Or, does it depend upon the client?

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Originally posted by crbutler:
I am of two minds of this article.

First off, the guy enjoyed his hunt and had fun. He obviously enjoyed it enough that he wrote up a nice article, albeit without doing any fact checking or checking up on the truth of what he was told by his PH.

I have been hearing a lot of "Its how you hunted, not the trophy you shoot" here also.

How do we flame this article when the hunter enjoyed it, and thought his trophies are good?

On the author's side, I would hate to make a effort to write up a hunt and then find out that my "excellent" trophy was just so much BS that the PH provided to justify his lack of ability/need for a tip/client inability to hunt/bad luck/insert your excuse here.

I think that it was rather interesting in some of the earlier Boddington work, he did not have a problem with a hunter taking a bit immature buffalo and thought it was fine. Since then he has changed his belief, but it still was said, so at least to some extent, a few folks think immaturity is not that big a deal.

As to the "Mountain Buffalo" thing, I thought that it was a description rather than attempting to name it as a species when I read it- as in the old Buffalo shot at altitude on Mount Kenya in the old days. I'm not sure- I don't recall the pics that well, but was this a truly soft bossed animal, or one of those with hard bosses that are very small (a genetic misfit as it were- not much of a trophy, but not so bad legally- I don't recall from memory, and I usually leave the magazine in the waiting area anyhow. )

I could see a point why Safari/SCI would rather not hold its members up for public scorn, especially if the animals were legally taken. If you publish something there, I think they require you to provide a statement that all laws were followed and the animal legally taken.

That being said, I would hate to find out what a fool I had been and to admit I didn't know any better, and worse, the guy I thought was a friend and had been able to convince me of all this hyperbole had been deliberately lying to me, and now I have no recourse for the thousands of dollars and the lost opportunity for a hunt of a lifetime due to his incompetence or greed.

Regardless, this is one PH I will avoid.

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Originally posted by MacD37:
I also agree that both animals are immature, an certainly not what I would fly all the way to Africa to shoot. Having said that, The Eland was stated as a young animal, and may have been shot strictly for camp meat, as it is also stated that the meat was fine.

The real bad thing in this "safari" is the cape buffalo!

With the horn configuration on that bull, he would have made a real trophy in about another four years. The horns are long for such a young animal. The bosses are well shaped, and as they hardened, and grew, would have pushed the loop down, lowering, and widing the horns. In the next four or five years the horns would have drooped down as the horn grew,
the curve would have grown down and gotten closer to the ears pushing the tips more to the side as the spread incerased and tip wore some, and started to turn back. Too bad he was shot before he had a chamce to mature another four or five years. However I have to agree with High Desert's opinion that it was their safari not mine, and the PH would have not liked me because I wouldn't have shot the buffalo, but that eland would have made some good meals in camp, if that is the reason for his untimely death!

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Originally posted by Ndorobo:
bwanamich is right about what laws have been violated, this is the second time this company has come up on this forum for unethical hunting and breaking tanzanian laws.

A year ago this same company had over shot their quota and guided clients with unlicensed proffessional hunters, and they got away with it by paying a 5,000,000 fine ($4000), there were quite a few members who who thought this company could do no wrong. Well gentlemen here it is again.

Once i again it is companys like this that finish and destroy areas, and it is pathetic that people still choose to hunt with them.

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Besides I feel uncomfortable reminding a client about my tip when he is wounded and hurting.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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I have yet to meet a chap who is willing to follow up a wounded Lion or other dangerous game without his PH. I have offered this fantastic opportunity to all and to date have had no offers?

And...I have yet to meet the PH that would not rather have another "competent gun" at his side when following up a cat or other dangerous game.

ledvm,

Sorry that is rubbish, but if you insist then fine and good on you. The purest experience is to go it alone and anybody else is a liability. Think about it?