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Lying and "truth stretching"
08 April 2012, 06:28
jdollarLying and "truth stretching"
10 or so years ago after my 2nd-3rd safari my wife told me she didn't care what i shot and brought home- AS LONG AS IT WASN'T AN ELEPHANT!"( too much Dumbo/Disney). at the time i figured i would never be able to afford to hunt one anyway so of course i said " no problem dear". fast forward to Jan 2012 @DSC Convention and i bought a non-exportable bull ele hunt at the auction donated by our own Karl Stumpf. when i got home my wife asked( as she always does) what hunt did i buy. being a quick thinking genius, i immediately replied that i was going to Namibia to hunt buffalo. she remarked that i had shot a few buff before but i allowed as how i loved buffalo hunting and had never hunted Namibia. she was satisfied. my plan of course is to take all my trophy pictures with a seperate memory stick and all other pics/video with the camera's built in memory. my question is this: I am the only one who has ever kept their significant other in the dark about what they actually hunt in Africa( or how much it actually cost)??
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08 April 2012, 06:35
boliepCost yes
Game no
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08 April 2012, 06:43
376 steyrYou can't bring it home so that's not a problem. But she might wonder why you never get your buffalo trophy.
08 April 2012, 06:46
CrazyhorseconsultingJust hope none of your close friends ever rats you out even by accident.
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08 April 2012, 07:07
Aspen Hill AdventuresWeenies!
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When you get home with elephant pictures you can tell her the story of how you saved the poor starving native village from a deranged killer elephant
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08 April 2012, 07:10
MartyI don't know your wife, but I'm guessing she'd get over the ele before she'd get over being deceived. Just assume you'll get busted at some point, and plan accordingly.
08 April 2012, 07:11
SevensI think failing to tell your wife about an elephant you shot is far more forgivable than the guys who bring their mistress along on the hunt and leave her out of all the photos so the wife doesn't get suspicious.
If for whatever reason your wife does get wind of this elephant you shot, perhaps you will tell her how you didn't want to upset her that you had to shoot an elephant in self-defense that charged you while you were stalking up on buffalo.
Seem's more likely your wife is going to wonder why you had such a great hunt despite the fact you didn't shoot anything.
08 April 2012, 07:13
jdollarquote:
Originally posted by 376 steyr:
You can't bring it home so that's not a problem. But she might wonder why you never get your buffalo trophy.
i have enough buffalo trophy pics from previous safaris that i can "splice" a few in to take care the picture issue and since my house is jammed full of trophies, i never bring back anything back anyway( saves a ton on taxidermy costs). and if my close friends rat me out- well they aren't really a close friend. its amazing how much money you save to put toward future trips when you skip dip, pack, shipping and taxidermy costs- enough to easily pay for the next trip.
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08 April 2012, 07:17
jdollarthe PAC/ charging elephant story has REAL posibilities if worse comes to worse.
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08 April 2012, 07:40
JBrownquote:
Originally posted by jdollar:
i have enough buffalo trophy pics from previous safaris that i can "splice" a few in to take care the picture issue
I agree with Marty, this is a bad idea. BTW, your current plan is not "truth stretching", it is full-on premeditated deceit.
I think that your best bet is to enlighten her regarding elephant hunting and conservation, then tell her the truth about you hunt plans.
Jason
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08 April 2012, 07:46
boom stickquote:
Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Weenies!
You can use the "Southpark" excuse "It's coming straight for us!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...youtube_gdata_playerCould not find another clip without the commentary but you get the drift.
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08 April 2012, 07:52
Use Enough Gunjdollar: In my opinion, not a good idea. Fess up and get it over with now. You'll never fully enjoy the hunt knowing that you weren't upfront with the spouse. Just my 2 cents worth, and basing that suggestion, in part, on having been married over 38 years. . . . . . .
08 April 2012, 08:11
jdollaroh, i'll enjoy the hunt and after 4 previous divorces( although this marriage has lasted 23 years) i think -DENY, DENY, DENY is the safest bet. my wife really doesn't care what i do other than the elephant thing. and i fully admit i am lying like a dog on the front porch.
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08 April 2012, 08:20
MartyI bow to the voice of experience.
08 April 2012, 08:33
twoseventyjdollar, I think you should have me do the hunt. I will produce a hunt report giving you credit for being a gentleman by refusing to kill an elephant in the interest of your dear wife and her feelings. I would get an elephant hunt and you would be a hero. A win-win.
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08 April 2012, 08:40
jdollarthink i will pass- but i give you an A+ for effort. am i the only one to flat out lie( and i freeely admit it) about what your African hunting really involves/costs??
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08 April 2012, 08:58
twoseventyquote:
Originally posted by jdollar:
think i will pass- but i give you an A+ for effort. am i the only one to flat out lie( and i freeely admit it) about what your African hunting really involves/costs??
My wife has been with me on a number of safaris, so she knows what different hunts cost. There have been a few few rifles appear that she wonders where they came from, though.
...I say that hunters go into Paradise when they die, and live in this world more joyfully than any other men.
-Edward, duke of York
". . . when a man has shot an elephant his life is full." ~John Alfred Jordan
"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." Cicero - 55 BC
"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." - Ayn Rand
Cogito ergo venor- KPete
“It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages.”
― Adam Smith - “Wealth of Nations”
08 April 2012, 09:07
Bill73Well sometimes what they don't know does'nt hurt em,a man has got to have some privacy as to what his passions are,you know what is best for you,you put the bread on the table you should have some rights
DRSS
08 April 2012, 10:01
Michael RobinsonIf my wife was not willing to go on safari with me, every time, we would not be married.
Mike
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08 April 2012, 12:26
calgarychef1Anne is right, don't be a weenie. My brother in law is like that, buys stuff and doesn't tell his wife(my sister), she goes ballistic when she learns she's been lied to.
Best man up
08 April 2012, 13:53
JBoutfishnquote:
Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Weenies!
LMAO Ann, absolutely beautiful.
Jim "Bwana Umfundi"
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08 April 2012, 14:22
RockdocI think it's what she doesn't know won't hurt you
Remember to keep the mistress out of the photos, or put them on the usb stick with the ele photos
Good hunting, cheers, Chris
DRSS
08 April 2012, 16:55
NorwegianwoodsI don't tell my wife everything, but I never lie to her.
If she asks, she gets a 100% honest answer.
08 April 2012, 17:47
Aaron NeilsonDollar - You're kidding right??
My favorite though, and I have had several clients over the years do this one. They booked a deer hunt for let's say $6,000.00, they ask me to send the "real" contract for $6k to their office, and then request I send a "dummy" contract for $2,500.00 on the same hunt, to their home address, and that's the one he shows the wife!
whatever, I don't ask questions - I just sell the hunts!
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www.huntghr.com 08 April 2012, 17:55
brent ebelingI agree with Ann, Weenies is the right word. Marty is right. I never lie to my wife about anything. If she doesn't like what I hunt, well that is a a differetmargument, but I will not lie to her. Lies are to hard to keep track of. Just fess up and say you are probably going to have an opportunity to b
Hunt an ele, if she does not like it, well that is too bad.
08 April 2012, 18:52
safari-lawyerFess up.
Will J. Parks, III
08 April 2012, 18:59
Fritz RabeI had this a few times where a client want to hunt something expensive but knows that the wife will have him caped for a full-mount.
Luckily, the biggest diamond producing mine is not far away.
Hubby takes a day off from hunting to show mommy all the lovely shiny stones. He ends up buying one and then she loves him so much that he can hunt what he wants.
It is called bartering.
Fritz Rabe
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08 April 2012, 19:57
Lhook7quote:
Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
Dollar - You're kidding right??
My favorite though, and I have had several clients over the years do this one. They booked a deer hunt for let's say $6,000.00, they ask me to send the "real" contract for $6k to their office, and then request I send a "dummy" contract for $2,500.00 on the same hunt, to their home address, and that's the one he shows the wife!
whatever, I don't ask questions - I just sell the hunts!
Aaron,
On that same note, please disregard the invoice I am sending for the whitetail hunt I will be "guiding" for you this fall.
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08 April 2012, 20:17
Mike_DettorreYour first mistake was even posting this...
Three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead.
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2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
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8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
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08 April 2012, 20:22
FrostbitI've only been married for 38 years to the same woman so I'm not an expert on this topic but you might want to get used to calling your present wife old number 5 if you think she would deal with the deceit better than the elephant.
Your call!!
I do understand your plight though. My wife also does not like the thought of an Elephant hunt yet she watches TAA with me or Buzz's video and has no problem. She even calls a missed brain shot accurately.
She will not try and restrict my hunting of an Elephant but at present does not want to be along on the hunt.
Good luck with your situation and I hope nothing bad comes of it.
08 April 2012, 20:24
465H&Hjdollar,
Now that we all know that you are a confessed liar, no one on here will ever believe anything you ever say again!!!
465H&H
08 April 2012, 20:32
Aspen Hill Adventuresquote:
Originally posted by 465H&H:
jdollar,
Now that we all know that you are a confessed liar, no one on here will ever believe anything you ever say again!!!
465H&H
Niether will his better half!
~Ann
08 April 2012, 20:32
trophyhunter5000quote:
Originally posted by jdollar:
my question is this: I am the only one who has ever kept their significant other in the dark about what they actually hunt in Africa( or how much it actually cost)??
I simply told my wife the truth by telling the the daily rate...
Didn't figure she needed to know about trophy fees...
08 April 2012, 20:51
FrostbitReading this thread makes me feel pretty lucky.
08 April 2012, 21:03
tanz2007quote:
Originally posted by Frostbit:
Reading this thread makes me feel pretty lucky.
+1
08 April 2012, 21:15
Bwana BundukiSounds to me that you need to grow a pair. Good God.
08 April 2012, 21:46
jjbullJust tell her, Jerry.
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08 April 2012, 21:53
pagosawingnutBraver man than I, you are! I think I would much rather argue over what I hunted than brand myself as a liar. My wife would never trust me again over anything and that would be pretty miserable.