I have just been reading his book Africa's Most Dangerous and he makes 3 claims that I could discern with respect to the 375 H&H:

1. That a 300gr 375 bullet in the std twist for that calibre of 1:12 is overstabilised at H&H velocities (say 2,550fps) and that this hampers penetration negating use of a soft in a frontal or front on quartering shot due to the trampolining effect.

2. That a 350gr or heavier 375 bullet on buffalo hits noticeably harder and is to be preferred to a 300gr bullet for this species.

3. That if you are going to use a 300gr Bullet then he suggests you drop the velocity (from memory but not 100% sure he recommends below 2400fps?) to assist in penetration.

I would be most interested in whether those of you with experience hunting Cape Buffalo with a 375 would agree or disagree with these propositions.

Have not hunted Cape Buff yet but am planning to in the next couple of years and was originally thinking of the 300gr Woodleighs in Softs & Solids. Actually already have loads worked up for them but now am considering whether the 350gr Woodleighs may be better.

Regards,
JohnT

I am afraid my own experience with the 375, and well over 100 buffalos killed with it, does not agree with his statement.

I have shot buffalo, and have seen others shoot them with rifles from 375 to the 460 Weatherby, and have not seen that ANY caliber is better at killing them than the other.

In fact, I have seen, and heard from PHs, that more buffalo are killed with one shot from the 375 than with other calibers.

Which brings us back to a basic question.

Larger calibers do not make up for poor shot placement. And one is more likely to put a bullet PRECISELY where he wants if he is not flinching.

And I can assure you a 300 grain bullet out of the 375 - or even smaller calibers - in the right place is infinitely better than a larger bullet in a marginal place.

JohnT,
Kevin Robertson is a veterinarian, not a ballistics expert. Take what he says with a grain of salt. Make that the entire salt block at the lick.

Use a tougher bullet and more velocity equals better penetration, or at least no worse penetration, as well as the benefit of more death and destruction along the way.

Such a tougher bullet might be a monometal of 300-grain weight, like Saeed uses, and then the 1:12" twist is barely adequate, i.e., perfect.

Remember that Kevin "Doctari" Robertson knocked himself out and burned up a large part of his farm while firing his first shot with a .505 Gibbs, trying to shoot a blind and lame old cow on his own property. The only mercy killing there was to his reputation as a rifleman.

saeed...what is the minimum cart you would use on buff with the better shot via less recoil in mind????

How many times as the figure 2150fps been used and told to be the best speed for penetration. Why not for most bigger calibers will it then work to slow them down a bit ?

Well I'm glad I'm in good company, but the risk of being burned in effigy and the fact I am a complete neophyte on the subject, I totally disagree with the good Doctor.

Based on my limited experience and from what I read, the slower velocity theory was a result of inferior bullets that were only available when a lot of these PHs learned their trade.

Then when the new "hot magnums" showed up on the scene, they made matters worse because then the bullets really failed. Hence, the hatred of Weatherby calibers.

With today super premium bullets like the TSX (properly stabilized and to me that means going down in weight to keep the bullet length reasonable) Swift A Frame , North Fork, etc., will penetrate more when loaded to higher velocities.

I firmly believe velocity is a valid and effective contributor to the killing process. jorge

I cannot say I disagree with Dr. Robertson because I have never shot a buffalo with a 350 grain .375 H&H round and therefore have no personal experience with it.

However, here are a couple of things we do know.

1. As velocity increases, so does bullet yaw (tipping) which can result in early tumbling of the bullet and inadequate penetration. That is why the 460 Wby was changed from a 1-18 (early days with poor results) to a 1-14 twist.

2. In my own experience, heavy for caliber bullets tend to penetrate deeper, all other variables being reasonably equal (except velocity which might fall off 200 fps).

3. But if you really want deep penetration, use a flat nose solid bullet because on body shots they way out-shine their round nosed cousins.

However, I have not personally made a comparison in game animals of an overweight round nose solid (Woodleigh) compared to a standard weight or slightly light flat nose solid (GS Custom or North Fork). Perhaps one of you fellows could shoot 10 shots of each into an elephant and tell us the results.

With regards to the woodleigh bullets try to get your hands on a copy ofthe latest Magnum magazine from South Africa - it has a very interesting article about field tests done on African game with the .375 woodleigh bullets. Based on that i would not use the current woodleigh softs on buffalo under any circumstances.PM me if you cannot get a copy and i will scan it and mail it to you

I took my 375 plainsgame hunting with great results. Used 300 grain A-frames the whole time. However since then I have loaded some 350 grain pp (Woodleigh) and noticed that my rifle likes shooting them much more (tighter groups).

So, next time it will be 350 grains for me.

I really wish they would make a 350 grain a-frame. What a great bullet.

John,

I can give you Bill Hober's cell number and you can ask him to start making them.

He is the owner of Swift bullets. I have found him to be very helpful in developing loads and very willing to talk to his customers!

Dr. Tim

Here's a twist - I always see everyone using 270 grainers in the .375 H&H. I've never used them and have stuck to the 300's. What's the opinion of everyone about the 300's vs. teh 270's, both solids and softs and both with PG and DG?

the 300 is fine in conv. bullett but in the tsx I droped down to 270 for leingth reasons and have been totaly happy with it. several one shot dumps on heavy game and a 600 yd texas heart shot at a waterbuck that ruined his day. not enough diff. to tell the diff 300 vs 270.

I just spent two weeks in Moz. with Dr. Robertson as my PH. We had many hours to discuss rifles and ballistics, his favorite topics (after his wife and daughters.) Be assured that he knows his stuff. He has killed a big pile of buff in 20+ years. He knows the math and physics. Another point: He is still in the bush, will be home soon. Out of respect, I suggest the topic be suspended until he has an opportunity to respond.

Lastly: How can you argue with a man who named his youngest daughter Purdey?

I've read Kevin Robertson's "The Perfect Shot" but not his "Africa's Most Dangerous" book. Maybe the two books say things differently. My understanding of what he says is that the way bullets are constructed currently, some get better penetration by going slower and I think that's absolutely true. Data in the book "The Ultimate Sniper" would corroborate this.

To the best of my recollection, Keven never claimed that solids would penetrate less with a higher velocity. His comments were only related expanding bullets and less penetration at higher velocities.

John, last month I shot my cape buffalo with a 350gr. woodleigh with excellent results. There is a thread in the big bore forum with the load I used as well as a photo of the bullet.

Saeed has obviously proved that a 12" twist with a 300-grain monometal copper Walterhog at around 2700 fps works in his .375/404 U.A. Express. That is a long bullet.

Some .375's have a 14" twist, like the CZ 550 Magnum. That would seem to indicate a need to stick to the 265 to 270-grainers for monometals. Sure, for the conventional lead-core bullets, it works with 300-grainers.

12" twist and 350-grain lead-core bullets do seem to go well with a .375 H&H too.

I am sure Saeed has a good match of his bullet diameters to his lands and grooves too. He ought to, since he makes the bullet himself, specifically for the 375/404UAE with a Lilja barrel, 12" twist.

Surely Doctari can handle a little fun at his expense, especially since he is has not been gracious enough to acknowledge the likes of Saeed's formula for success with .375 caliber bullets.

Scott 450

Thanks you very much. PM sent.

Regards,
JohnT

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To the best of my recollection, Keven never claimed that solids would penetrate less with a higher velocity. His comments were only related expanding bullets and less penetration at higher velocities.

I never said that in my post either - I did say "soft" not solids. In fact KR in Africa's Most Dangerous says one of the problems with the 375 H&H is overpenetration on broadside shots with soilds due to the (in his opinion) too high velocity attained. (But heck if you do use a solid isn't that what you would expect? or at least most likely it will exit?)

It would seem that the consensus here is that the quality of current expanding bullets negates his arguments.

But he is a PH, a Vetrinarian and his post mortems would count for more as he is better able analyse wound channels etc. rather than just whether the recovered bullet looks good or bad. Therefore his views should be considered seriously and with respect.

I know we can & should have a bit of fun here but let's not take it too far. At the same time I don't think it is necessary for anyone to leap to KR's defence either.

Regards,
JohnT

Thornell,

Thanks I'll look up your post.

Regards
JohnT

Kevin is indeed a strapping big boy with a thick skin ... and a glass solar plexus.

With regards to the article in the Magnum magazine on Woodleighs i have had an overwhelming response from people asking for a scanned copy. Those that have PM'ed me with an email address already i will mail you a copy but in the light of copyright laws and reproduction i am not going to put a scanned copy on the forum. Magnum is a fantastic magazine that has been produced in Africa for the past 20+ years. They offer subscriptions for overseas readers and at the price i would highly recommend it for anyone who has an interest/desire/passion for african hunting. Their email address is mail@manmagnum.co.za

and no i dont work for them at all, i just think they are a great team and i am proud of the quality that a South African magazine produces.

Scott450,

Why not just post the pictures of the bullet it tells the story. My magnum was destroyed by the rain so I cannot post it.

Who the hell cares what Kevin thinks?? The 375 H&H became a legend on it's own without his obviously flawed input.

I don't find much fault with what Robertson says, but he certainly left out the advent of the monolithic bullet, which changed all the rules, and antiquated his ideas to some degree IMO.

I do agree that the 350 gr. Woodleigh PP or RN bullets in the .375 is a great choice and they have worked for me 100%.

I have also witnessed a lot of buffalo kills by Saeed with his .375/404 with 270 and I believe 300 gr. Monolithics of his own making and they sure work on buffalo shot from any angle.

In the "old days" a frontal shot on a buffalo with a std. .375 softpoint bullet was an ocassional problem and still is to a certain degree with some softs, but a solid, or better yet a Northfork cup point, remedies that problem and I might add that it was never a common problem, but did happen on ocassions..What caused it was bullet failure, not the .375 caliber..

The .375 is and always will be one of the great calibers for Africa or anywhere in the world, I will always own one.

As to Kevin Robertson, he is a very good PH and a veternarian with a lot of expertise in animal anotomy and hunting experience behind him, and I would hesitate to make light of any advise he might pass on as its certainly worthy of consideration.

His book, The Perfect Shot, should be a must for all first time African hunters, it is loaded with good information.

Scott 450,
I have used Woodleighs for many years and I know a lot of PHs and cull hunters that have used them for decades and with about 98% success. thats a very high number..I also know that any bullet will fail from time to time and a one incident failure or a one incident quick kill means absolutly zilch.

I do recall an incident of Woodleigh failure some years ago in Man Magnum magazine wherein a single failure got a write up and I sent them a retort to that and they printed it..A good magaznine, in fact one of the best, but I have seen a lot of conflicting information in it by some very respected PHs, but being a PH is not always condusive with all knowing or with balistics, but there views should always be taken into consideration.

I also tested the 350 gr. 375s and the 450 gr 416s for Geoff and had a say in their production, so he sent me about 8 boxes and I tried them on a lot of buffalo with 110% satisfaction before they ever came into production..

Based on that I would like to see the article you are referring to if you don't mind. Send it to the below email.

Kevin has a lot of experience with buffalo. He tried the heavier .375 bullets out, particulary the Rhino Solid Shank bullet in 380 grains with excellent results, as did many other PH's. The main reason why they drop buffalo in a more spectacular fashion is because the Rhino bullet mushrooms to a bigger diameter and thus making a bigger hole.

The Rhino Bullet company also makes a 340 gr version of late, as the 380 gr bullet is rather long and erodes powder capacity. This is a typical example of how a retrieved 380 gr Rhino bullet from a buffalo looks (Bullet is courtesy of Mr Rob Duffield Professional Hunter) :



Warrior

Scott450,

Thank you very much for forwarding that very informative article.

It would appear that contrary to what you would expect the 300gr Woodleigh Soft penetrates better than the 350gr soft.

I was told by an gun dealer that one of his client's who always used 300gr Woodleighs in his 375 switched to the 350gr when they first came available & was very disappointed with their performance in front on shots. They did not penetrate in a straight line whereas he never had such problems with the 300gr bullets.

Maybe the jackets on the 350gr have been made thinner. Ray as you were involved with their design do you know this to be the case?


Regards
JohnT

quote:

Originally posted by Warrior:
Kevin has a lot of experience with buffalo. He tried the heavier .375 bullets out, particulary the Rhino Solid Shank bullet in 380 grains with excellent results, as did many other PH's. The main reason why they drop buffalo in a more spectacular fashion is because the Rhino bullet mushrooms to a bigger diameter and thus making a bigger hole.

The Rhino Bullet company also makes a 340 gr version of late, as the 380 gr bullet is rather long and erodes powder capacity. This is a typical example of how a retrieved 380 gr Rhino bullet from a buffalo looks (Bullet is courtesy of Mr Rob Duffield Professional Hunter) :



Warrior

That looks like it WOULD work

Having just got back from Africa last week and while there killed two buffalo with 350 gr Woodleigh softs at 2400 fps MV from a 375 H&H, I would tend to agree with Doktari. They worked for me. But nothing makes up for shot placement. Take it with as much salt as you please.

Though it is a very small sample, the only "ONE SHOT KILLS" I've had on Buffalo,unless the spine, or brain was hit, have been with a 375H&H with 300 gr bullets! The bullet just happened to be a 300 gr Nosler Partition, in all cases. All the rest have taken, at least, three shots, regardless of caliber of bullet type! I have zero misgiveings with useing 300 gr .375 bullets on Buffalo!

Understand, I'm not saying I know more than Mr. Robertson, but the above is the result of my limited experience, with 300 gr .375 bullets on Buffalo.

In the past 5 years, we have shot about 75 buffalo. 63 were killed with one shot, with a 300 grain, 375 caliber bullet, travelling at around 2700 fps.

Some of the others, I have no doubt, would have died from the first shot. But, as we get close to them, we like to finish them with a second shot.

A few were shot in the wrong place. It would have made absolutely no difference what caliber was used, they would have required additional shots to kill them.

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In the past 5 years, we have shot about 75 buffalo. 63 were killed with one shot, with a 300 grain, 375 caliber bullet, travelling at around 2700 fps.

Well that about puts pay to the slow-heavy theory. Maybe Roy's theories weren't so far fetched after all. He just needed bullets that were ahead of his time as well. jorge

I just finished reading his book for the 2nd time, and would like to clarify a few points.
1.Kevin makes the point that the 300 gr 375 bullet with 1:12 twist does indeed tend to yaw and therefore under-penetrate WHEN THE SHOT IS VERY CLOSE. This distinction is important, because at longer distances, the bullet does 'go to sleep" and penetrates well. The same phenomenon has been described by Ron Thompson (Mahoboh)with regard to his 458; he noted that he got full penetration with side brain shots when the distance was a little greater, ie 30 yds, but not at very close distances, due to the same yawing.
2.I dont know if a 350 gr bullet hits noticeably harder or not, but kevin has shot more buffalo than most of us (he shot 600 with his 9.3X62 alone)and I would tend to believe him. At the very least, the 350 gr 375 cannot be driven faster than 2400 fps, which will aid pentration. I agree completely with 550Grains that heavy for caliber bullets of conventional or premium bonded construction do penetrate more, despite a lower velocity; they tend to start expanding later than faster, lighter bullets, and have more momentum. Other fans of heavy for caliber bullets include Craig Boddington and Elmer Keith. Of course, this holds true WITHIN A CERTAIN RANGE; I am not irrational enough to suggest that a 45-70 out-penetrates a 458 LOTT.
With monometallic bullets like the Barnes 3X, at very high velocity they tend to shed their petals and behave more like a solid.
3.Kevins views are shared by all the experienced African PH's I have met personally. These include Brian Marsh, Ron Thompson, and Lou Hallamore. I havent had the pleasure of meeting Doktari, but the above 4 guys have collectively shot several thousand buffalo with every conceivable caliber; and I do have to pay attention to such vast experience.
4. Again, I do not have Saeeds large experience of shooting buffalo, but I suspect he is an exceptionally fine shot, which accounts for all those one shot kills. He's got a range in his house, for Pete's sake! He doesnt see much difference between a 375 and other calibers because he centers the vital triangle! For lesser mortals, such as myself, a 600 grain .505 projectile @ 2150 fps does seem to flatten buff quicker and more decisively, provided the shot is well placed. John Pondoro Taylor would agree!
5. I have not used the Woodleigh 350 gr on buff, but I did load it @ 2400 fps for my reserve 375 for elly. I left the rounds with my PH, and he really like them for buff. Interestingly, although the bullet is long, its not much longer than a 300 gr Barnes 3X. See below Woodleigh 350gr and barnes 270 gr TSX

quote:

Originally posted by JohnT:
I have just been reading his book Africa's Most Dangerous and he makes 3 claims that I could discern with respect to the 375 H&H:

1. That a 300gr 375 bullet in the std twist for that calibre of 1:12 is overstabilised at H&H velocities (say 2,550fps) and that this hampers penetration negating use of a soft in a frontal or front on quartering shot due to the trampolining effect.

2. That a 350gr or heavier 375 bullet on buffalo hits noticeably harder and is to be preferred to a 300gr bullet for this species.

3. That if you are going to use a 300gr Bullet then he suggests you drop the velocity (from memory but not 100% sure he recommends below 2400fps?) to assist in penetration.

I would be most interested in whether those of you with experience hunting Cape Buffalo with a 375 would agree or disagree with these propositions.

Have not hunted Cape Buff yet but am planning to in the next couple of years and was originally thinking of the 300gr Woodleighs in Softs & Solids. Actually already have loads worked up for them but now am considering whether the 350gr Woodleighs may be better.

Regards,
JohnT

And now on to Woodleigh soft points. I have great respect for the experience of others, eg Ray, who have used them extensively. i can only say that I consider them too soft in .505 caliber. (dont use them in .375; Swift A-frames do everything I need)
See below 525gr .505 Woodleigh @2200 fps, recovered from wet sand; compared to 270 grain .375 Swift A Frame @ 2650 fps, same wet sand; Retained weight of the 505 was 49% vs 88% for the Aframe in this admittedly tough test of bullet integrity. From left: .375 Swift AFrame, .505 woodleigh recovered, unloaded, and loaded.
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John T,

Having shot a number of buffalo with both the PP and the RN 350 gr. Woodliegh, I can tell you that the 350 gr. PP (Geoffs choice) will out penetrate the RN..however for the first shot, usually broadside the RN will punch through or at the very least will stop on the off side skin. Mostly the RN will leave an exit hole on a broadside shot. The RN will also do more internal damage than any bullet I have used on buffalo by the fact that it is a little soft, but not too soft IMO.

The 350 gr. PP has penetrated a buffalo lengthwise on everyone I shot with it, including shooting some dead downed buffalo for bullet testing..I never took a frontal shot with that bullet in the .375, but the 416, 450 gr. Woodleigh lodged in the rectum of a big bull on a frontal shot.

IMO the .375 should never be used for frontal shots on buffalo without using a solid, it has failed on ocassion over the years on that shot and that seems to be its only accepted weakness, according to a lot of PHs, including Kevin Roberts, and I agree but I will suggest that one uses the Northfork cup point for an all around, do anything, bullet. The cup point will penetrate like a solid and perform about as well as any soft.

All in all I think the 350 gr. .375 PP, is one of the best bullets I have ever used in the .375 H&H and I really like it in the 450 gr. 416 even better..second only to the great Northfork cup point..

As a matter of fact, most of todays bullets are excellent buffalo bullets, the bullet makers have come a long ways compared to yesteryear. The problem is too many folks make bullet judgments on too few kills. Any bullet can and will fail, but today its a rarity.

I have found no fault in soft points or monolithics made by Woodleighs, Northfork, GS Customs, Barnes X, Swift, Walterhogs,Noslers on Buffalo, and certainly todays solids are the best ever. The rest is mostly

Thank you Ray for your reply. Interesting your comment re:solids only for front end shots. Makes sense though and Woodleigh Soilds are as good as the best of em!

Regards,
JohnT

Gentlemen,

I think what we should all bear in mind is the fact that each opinion expressed above reflects then experience of that individual.

The appearance of the mono metal bullets, like the Barnes X, have certainly changed a lot of what we believed to be true in the past.

I remember one time in Zimbabwe. We were following two buffalo bulls, that were feeding into the hills.

After a couple of hours, we caught up with them. The one we could see was drnking facing away from us. Roy asked me if I had any solids, because he thought at that angle only a solid would do.

I did not have any solids, and told him that I thought the Barnes X would penetrate deep enough to get kill that bull.

I shot him, the bullet entering in the rear of the stomach, angling forward. I fired another shot at him as he took off - grazing the lower part of his chest, and no doing no harm at all.

The other bull ran with him into the bush, and us close behind.

We saw the second bull looking at us from behind a tree, also at an acute angle. I put a Barnes X bullet at the junction of his neck and shoulders. He dropped in his tracks.

We found the first one dead from the first angling bullet.

I have also shot a number of bulls, both facing me and looking away. With both the Barnes X and our own Walterhog bullets.

I never had any bullet failures.

Having said that, I can recall two occasions when one MIGHT say the bullet did not perform as well as expected.

3 years ago, in Tanzania, I shot a bull walking broadside at about 200 yards with our Walterhog bullet.

He ran a few yards and dropped dead. The bullet entered one shoulder, went through the heart - tearing it to bits. The bullet was found under the skin on the other side. part of the bullet was lost, and by the looks of it it seems that it that part sheared off. The only explanation we could find is that there was a fault in the copper rod we used.



It did kill the buffalo though.

The other occasion was last year. Again, I shot a bull at bout 200 yards, walking away at a slight angle.

The bulltook a few steps and started to hobble around, as if one leg was broken. We knew a broken leg was not going to keep a buffalo from running. But this one seems to be having some difficulty.

I put another bullet into his head, dropping him.

Another bull came back and stopped to look at us, facing straight. I put a bullet in teh front of his neck. He dropped where he stood.

We cut the first bull up, trying to see what had happened to ourt first shot.

His shoulder join was pulverised. There was no more bones left. The chest cavity was intact. No part of the bullet penetrated that far.

Again, we suspected a similar fault in the copper that was used to make the bullets.

We do find this fault sometimes while making the bullets. Others, for all appearances, weight and size, seemt o be perfectly fine. But come unglued when you shoot them.

Ultimately, there is no one bullet that is going to behave perfectly 100% of the times.

We just have to accept this fact.

The following are examples of the faults I mentioned.

quote:

Originally posted by Indlovu:

1.Kevin makes the point that the 300 gr 375 bullet with 1:12 twist does indeed tend to yaw and therefore under-penetrate WHEN THE SHOT IS VERY CLOSE.

Solution: In a .375, use a 1:8 twist barrel. In a .458, use a 1:10 twist.

quote:

IMO the .375 should never be used for frontal shots on buffalo without using a solid, it has failed on ocassion over the years on that shot and that seems to be its only accepted weakness, according to a lot of PHs, including Kevin Roberts, and I agree but I will suggest that one uses the Northfork cup point for an all around, do anything, bullet. The cup point will penetrate like a solid and perform about as well as any soft.

Ray,

The cup point bullet is perhaps a good compromise between a non-expanding Solid and an expanding Soft, but is neither the one nor the other. A Solid will out-penetrate the cup point and a controlled expansion Soft will mushroom much bigger. The consensus I have heard from buffalo hunters is one of clients do not need Solids any longer with the advent of premium grade Softs, Solids are for their PH who is backing them up to take awkward shots at ankering runaway buffalo.

This is something from Ganyana ... "Used a Bruno (CZ) in 9,3x62 for most of the buffalo culling ops I took part in. Used RWS TUG's Worked fine for frontal shots (most of our shots were frontal's as the buff were driven on to us with a helicopter). Now use 286grn Premium softs for buff, and lion and woodleigh solids for ele."

I think Ganyana is refering here to the bonded Softs made by Ken Stewart of South Africa. So if .366/286 gr bullets work, the .375/300 gr bullets should also do a fine job, as no major bone is in the way to the heart with a frontal shot. Am I missing something here. These Controlled Expansion Soft bullets go from shoulder to shoulder on broad-side shots in both 9,3 and .375 configuration when no bone is encountered. My question is how far is the heart from the front of the chest?

Warrior

Now I am confused big time. There has been many discussions about twist rate and stability and penetration. from all this I assumed that the shorter a bullet is the higher the stability is in air. Now I read that

quote:

1.Kevin makes the point that the 300 gr 375 bullet with 1:12 twist does indeed tend to yaw and therefore under-penetrate WHEN THE SHOT IS VERY CLOSE.

Somewhere someone said that this yawing condition is controlled faster when the stability of the bullet is higher. If a 300gr bullet in a one in twelve twist is yawing then a longer bullet will yaw worse and for a longer distance if it is shot from the same twist rate. That was what I understood. What gives?

Halfway through this thread it is stated

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In fact KR in Africa's Most Dangerous says one of the problems with the 375 H&H is overpenetration on broadside shots with soilds due to the (in his opinion) too high velocity attained.

But at the start he says

quote:

3. That if you are going to use a 300gr Bullet then he suggests you drop the velocity (from memory but not 100% sure he recommends below 2400fps?) to assist in penetration.

I give up how is one supposed to learn anything here