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The latest SCI thread brought up an interesting thought which I also have pondered. Since we have data from an NRA study that words like "trophy" and perhaps "sport" are looked upon with a negative view in regards to hunting..... What would you name your international hunting conservation organization if you helped spearhead it's birth today? ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | ||
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Whatever name it has, it should not include the words trophy or sport. | |||
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I wiil press my name forward formally and officially : International Hunting and Conservation Foundation. ICHF. | |||
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I knew we had talked about this before. From 2015: http://forums.accuratereloadin...043/m/9121046412/p/1 My idea then was the International Sporting and Conservation Aliiance. But if “sporting” is now gauche, I guess we’ll have to dump it. ;-) ...but change Foundation above to Alliance - now you have something. International Hunting and Conservation Alliance Hmmmm | |||
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I believe it's also important for any Internet presence to emphasize the conservation and anti-poaching aspects. Not just using the word in the title. It is worth if necessary paying for the right editorial content. Most of this is private sector now anyway, and it is easy to show who pays for it and who doesn't, which is in our favor. | |||
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International Harvester...  USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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 ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Conservation International | |||
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https://www.conservation.org/Pages/default.aspx | |||
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No matter the name, the org must LEAD with conservation of wildlife and habitat, community involvement and support with sustainable hunting as a means to that very positive end. It has to be hunting as a means to support the rest, not the rest as a means to support hunting, else you lose credibility and are seen as simply padding the zoo for your own sick pleasure. One is defensible and promotable, one is not. | |||
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How about: Conservationist United for Natural Things | |||
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The URL would be problematic - and is probably already in use...but I ain't checking! | |||
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International association for the conservation of wildlife and wild lands. | |||
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I don't get it :-) | |||
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JMHO. The name should reflect conservation first and hunting second, it should relate to the "world" or "International", etc. and ideally the acronym should be something pronounceable or preferably be a real word. Conservationist and Hunters of the World - CHOW Association of International Conservationists and Hunters - AICH Etc. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Agree on all parts. My favorite org name is the East African Professional Hunters Association - it was clear what it was, and had a great, pronounceable acronym - EAPHA - "eefa" Three-letter acronyms also work well, like CHA - Conservation and Hunting Alliance - something like that. I think SCI used to use "First for Hunters" as a tagline - if conservation includes hunting, you can be First for Conservation and be 100% pro-hunting to achieve that goal. | |||
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Love the CHOW acronym. ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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I think the man,e should identify that hunting begetts Conservation. One can not have Conservation without hunting. But I accept if the body disagrees. | |||
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We could even spice that up a little and make it even more topical; John 'Deere' International Harvester. | |||
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Hunting “ something “ No sport, harvest etc, because that’s just bullshit " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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The Conscientious Consortium for Conservation. a.k.a the CCC. Life itself is a gift. Live it up if you can. | |||
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Sierra Club  After all, that is what it started out as.... | |||
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 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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People should remember that as well. Just like fish and wildlife used to be fish and game. Orgs can be hijacked. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Benevolent Order of Dagga Boys | |||
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We have a winner!  My humble and no doubt losing offering would be: The Killer Elite. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Whatever happened to Game COIN? Looks like the organization went inactive, but I don't know the details. ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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I have to respectfully disagree with "conservation first and hunting second". While it may sound good, I consider it largely disingenuous. My pulse doesn't quicken when I see a buffalo, and my heart doesn't start racing when I'm 20 yards from an elephant, because my primary focus is the conservation of all things wild. I am there and what I'm experiencing is because I love to hunt. I wish I could find the words to explain why it is such a passion, but I haven't been able to yet. That's not to say that the conservation of wild places and the animals that inhabit those areas is not important to me. It is, always has been and always will be. But that's not the primary reason that I hunt. "Hunters for the Hungry" is a name that has always resonated with me. It clearly conveys that Hunters are responsible for this effort. But just like Conservation, I didn't convert my property to wildlife management and I don't kill several whitetail and exotics each year to feed the hungry. I did it because I love to hunt. A benefit of this has been the conversion of the land from agricultural usage to a wildlife focus and the donation of what I consider high quality meat to those in need. I believe that if a new name is adopted (for DSC for example), or a new alliance is created, it should be as clear as "Hunters for the Hungry" that Hunters are responsible for the Conservation benefits demonstrated and claimed, and not something that suggests the only reason we hunt is for conservation. It doesn't take too much to see through that claim .... JEB Katy, TX Already I was beginning to fall into the African way of thinking: That if you properly respect what you are after, and shoot it cleanly and on the animal's terrain, if you imprison in your mind all the wonder of the day from sky to smell to breeze to flowers—then you have not merely killed an animal. You have lent immortality to a beast you have killed because you loved him and wanted him forever so that you could always recapture the day - Robert Ruark DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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I think that is a good name. We have to take SPORT AND TROPHY out of the equation. IHCF or ICHF is a good idea, Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I have said that so many times. I believe that is 100 % true. Those two names are thrown in hunters faces all the time. | |||
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. HUNTERS ANONYMOUS (HA) . "Up the ladders and down the snakes!" | |||
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Damn. That is too rich and so many layered with self-deprecation and wicked irony. I’m reminded of Katharine Hepburn’s maxim: “They can write whatever they want, as long as they spell my name right.” It’s like the opposite of (or the same thing as?) that - with a f$&@ you thrown in. I think we may have a new winner!  Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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International Union for Wildlife Restorancy and Conservation United groups towards Restoring habitat and environment, like old farms etc, to areas where wildlife can again roam free, conserved through sustainable use. Been successful in Southern Africa | |||
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You already have the The True Green Alliance @TheTrueGreenAlliance | |||
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All very well coming up with an acceptable name for our sport but what about doing something about it? There are a number of bodies and organisations that need to be brought together under one house and one that has an audible voice. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Fair game : I agree. I would love to see DSC, Rocky Mountain Elk, Wild Sheep, and Boone and Crocket unite under one banner. Do away with the awards and as part of their character set down a charter that defines and advances fair chase and ethical hunting. Boone and Crocket does not recognize high fence hunting. Like,I said in an earlier post I believe an nuanced articulation can be a made to include operations like the Save. Larry Shores has made this articulation. If an outfitter wants to do business with this new association they would have to sign off on the charter. Failure to follow would result in the Outfitter (or hunter) being excommunicated and unable to receive donations or exhibit at conventions held by the association. There would need to be a mechanism for client hunters to report violations. Such as when Mark Young’s “well respected” outfitter told him he must break a Tanzania game law and shoot from the truck. Mark Young to his credit told him no. Before anyone says it cannot be done. I suggest they look up the International Conference for the Protection of Wild Animals where hunters where part of the forming regulations that were introduced to halt the colonial slaughter. Lord Delamare was very vocal at this conference suggesting large swaths of land be set aside for game and supported through hunting. Leaving other tracts for agriculture and settlement. Other regulations included for adding trade in tusk less than 10pounds. A modern version of this particular reg would be not to target immature bull elephants or lions. | |||
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In the early 1970's, I was working for a wholesale hunting and fishing company. Our daily discussions mainly focused on hunting and fishing as one might surmise. An article was published in one of the major US sporting mags that brought about the subject of "anti-hunting" voices. One of my co-workers asked me if I thought they would ever end hunting. My reply was; "No, we'll price ourselves out of business with with the high cost of hunting and related products, red tape and arguing over how, when and where we should be allowed to hunt." We as a broad group of men and women worldwide are doing a great job of arguing ourselves right into the hands of our enemy; an enemy who's true agenda is money, not animal welfare of conservation. Follow the money but stop arguing over how, when, where and who's right and who's wrong. Just my humble opinion. LDK Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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You Sir are a light in the darkness, Thank You. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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