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Originally posted by dirklawyer:
Why use a 350 grain solid when a 300 grain solid will go completely through an ele skull, statistically has an impeccable track record of doing such in the field for decades and is one of the best penetrating cartridges on the planet?

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
Where increased penetration is valuable is with soft point bullets on buffalo. You have a much better chance of getting your 350 grain bullet into the heart/lung area on a follow up rear end shot with it than a 300 grain bullet. In addition that bullet will cause more trauma on its path than even the 300 grain Barnes.
465H&H

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Why use a 350 grain solid when a 300 grain solid will go completely through an ele skull, statistically has an impeccable track record of doing such in the field for decades and is one of the best penetrating cartridges on the planet?

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Originally posted by African Hunters Quest:

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Why use a 350 grain solid when a 300 grain solid will go completely through an ele skull, statistically has an impeccable track record of doing such in the field for decades and is one of the best penetrating cartridges on the planet?

Dirk is correct.
Bullet stability is the greatest influencing factor wit the type of penetration you are describing.
A shorter bullet will stabilize faster in the same twist rate.
For the longer bullet to obtain the stability you require you need a tighter twist.
Go wit a North Fork/GS Custom or other 300gr FN solid.
It will penetrate in a straight line through any elephant.
With the 458 450gr FN solid GS custom has measure 80+ inches of straight line penetration in elephants. I believe the source of the info was Johan Calitz.

Round noses dont make sense to me, unless that is what your gun likes and performs well with.
Good luck,

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going to a 270 grain FN solid to increase penetration even more will result in a further reduction of stopping power of which it is short!

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Originally posted by Gerard:

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going to a 270 grain FN solid to increase penetration even more will result in a further reduction of stopping power of which it is short!

A 375 does not have enough stopping power on dangerous game, no matter what bullet weight you use. A 270gr bullet runs faster than a 300. That increases the temporary wound channel and that adds to the permanent wound channel volume.

There are many things you have not considered and, until you have experience with a particular make of bullet, your opinion is not valid.

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Originally posted by Gerard:

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going to a 270 grain FN solid to increase penetration even more will result in a further reduction of stopping power of which it is short!

A 375 does not have enough stopping power on dangerous game, no matter what bullet weight you use. A 270gr bullet runs faster than a 300. That increases the temporary wound channel and that adds to the permanent wound channel volume.

There are many things you have not considered and, until you have experience with a particular make of bullet, your opinion is not valid.

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Originally posted by Gerard:

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going to a 270 grain FN solid to increase penetration even more will result in a further reduction of stopping power of which it is short!

A 375 does not have enough stopping power on dangerous game, no matter what bullet weight you use. A 270gr bullet runs faster than a 300. That increases the temporary wound channel and that adds to the permanent wound channel volume.

There are many things you have not considered and, until you have experience with a particular make of bullet, your opinion is not valid.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Gerard:

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going to a 270 grain FN solid to increase penetration even more will result in a further reduction of stopping power of which it is short!

A 375 does not have enough stopping power on dangerous game, no matter what bullet weight you use. A 270gr bullet runs faster than a 300. That increases the temporary wound channel and that adds to the permanent wound channel volume.

There are many things you have not considered and, until you have experience with a particular make of bullet, your opinion is not valid.

Gerard,

Can you explain to me what "stopping power" is please?

Personally, I have never believed in "stopping power" as has been written in books.

To stop a charge, one has to hit the CNS, an for that, the 375 has plenty of power.

I suppose I have been very lucky, in that I have never had to stop a charge.

But, I have dropped many elephants, and more buffalo, stone dead with with brain shots, from different angles, using a 375.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Todd,

I have personally knocked an elephant down after missing the brain, and was able to kill it. All with a 375.

Animals react differently to being shot. Some might be swayed and knocked down very easily. Others might show waht seems an extraordinary will to resist being killed.

I know of instances where a charging cow was shot in the head with a 577 T.Rex. The brain was not hit and all she she did was shake her head.

Regardless of all this, I will take my chances by using a rifle I know well, in any dangerous game situation.

And in my case this iss teh 375/404.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Todd,

I have personally knocked an elephant down after missing the brain, and was able to kill it. All with a 375.

Animals react differently to being shot. Some might be swayed and knocked down very easily. Others might show waht seems an extraordinary will to resist being killed.

I know of instances where a charging cow was shot in the head with a 577 T.Rex. The brain was not hit and all she she did was shake her head.

Regardless of all this, I will take my chances by using a rifle I know well, in any dangerous game situation.

And in my case this iss teh 375/404.

Saeed,

Your post to Gerard stated: "To stop a charge, one has to hit the CNS, and for that, the 375 has plenty of power".

The first sentence of your response to me says: "I have personally knocked an elephant down after missing the brain..."

One or the other. Can't be both ways!

Stopping Power, not killing power, is the ability to knock the animal down or at least turn the charge, when the CNS is missed. Your example, stated in your first sentence responding to me, illustrates that Stopping Power does indeed exist. The large caliber bullet with it's larger frontal area and higher energy level, allows this "Stopping" reaction to occur more reliably when the CNS is closely missed or possibly by a little further CNS miss. There is of course a limit to this as illustrated by your example of the head shake from a 577 T.Rex. Shot placement is still No. 1, but the larger caliber does provide a larger margin of error. That margin may be only a matter of inches, but sometimes that is enough to save the day. Sometimes not!

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Until you have stopped a couple of elephant charges your opinion is not valid! Also how many elephant have you shot with the 350 grain Woodleigh or Barnes? If none then as you say your opinion is not valid.

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Originally posted by Gerard:

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Until you have stopped a couple of elephant charges your opinion is not valid! Also how many elephant have you shot with the 350 grain Woodleigh or Barnes? If none then as you say your opinion is not valid.

Ferrari have won more world championships in Fomula One than any other manufacturer. Audi have won more LeMans 24 Hour endurance races than any other manufacturer. How much driving on race tracks do you think the engine designers, chassis designers and the engine and chassis builders have done? The drivers of the winning cars can attest to the competence and effectiveness of those winning car designs.

Until you have used the product, your opinion is not valid. My opinion is valid because I design and build and then have the 'drivers' decide whether I have a winning car or not. Someone who has not designed and tested or driven, speak from hearsay.

Argue with the likes of Johan Calitz and many others if you feel like arguing.