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[NOTE: The opinions expressed herein are those of the management. If ever ascribed to the undersigned he will disavow them, and even deny having ever uttered them if that's what it takes to avoid persecution.]

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Steve,

In my experience, anyone who gets all the credit she claims to have, has not gotten them by hard work.

This sort of thing is generally accumulated by being an ass kisser.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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The time is over to bow to the PC crowd and watch our heritage be stolen from us.

I am a man and a proud hunter.

I will not concede my son's future liberties to people like her.

Me too! Well said Sir.


I did get a reply from the University

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Dear Mr Cochran

Thank you for your note.

The opinions expressed by our staff member were in error linked to her
university email account. It had been Ms Leith's intention to express
these opinions as a private individual, not in her capacity as a
university employee. Additionally I understand her email was posted to
this site without her permission.

These are not the opinion's of our institution. These are not the opinion's of our institution.

kind regards

Caroline Trotman

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This sort of thing is generally accumulated by being an ass kisser.

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I am deeply troubled that a member of the faculty of a University can have such a gender bias, as displayed by Dr. Denise Leith. I can deal with her uninformed opines about hunting. I cannot understand her biased characterizations of men that hunt. While Dr. Leith may not have hunted, I presume that she does socialize with other human beings? If Dr. Leith were a man and made such a statement about women, would that statement be acceptable?

Does the University condone such characterizations? Does the University share her views?

If not, I would suggest that Dr. Leith should take advantage of "Sensitivity Training" concerning the sexual characterizations of, and gender bias toward men, who own firearms and hunt. I am sure the University would make such training available to her.

I look forward to your reply.


Regards,
Richard Knight
Missouri City, Texas

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Originally posted by Rusty:
My email-

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I am deeply troubled that a member of the faculty of a University can have such a gender bias, as displayed by Dr. Denise Leith. I can deal with her uninformed opines about hunting. I cannot understand her biased characterizations of men that hunt. While Dr. Leith may not have hunted, I presume that she does socialize with other human beings? If Dr. Leith were a man and made such a statement about women, would that statement be acceptable?

Does the University condone such characterizations? Does the University share her views?

If not, I would suggest that Dr. Leith should take advantage of "Sensitivity Training" concerning the sexual characterizations of, and gender bias toward men, who own firearms and hunt. I am sure the University would make such training available to her.

I look forward to your reply.


Regards,
Richard Knight
Missouri City, Texas

So far, no reply.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Steve,

In my experience, anyone who gets all the credit she claims to have, has not gotten them by hard work.

This sort of thing is generally accumulated by being an ass kisser.

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Originally posted by The LOTT:
Her only link to the Uni is to offer some 'real world' experience to budding journalists and political scientists.

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Steve,

In my experience, anyone who gets all the credit she claims to have, has not gotten them by hard work.

This sort of thing is generally accumulated by being an ass kisser.

Specifically speaking...I don't think it is the "ass" proper to which she profers her lips.

Just Sayin...

Jeff

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Originally posted by The LOTT:
Just for clarification, Ms Leith is not a professor, nor a 'Doctor' - she's a journalist and author and delivers 'guest' lectures at Macquarie Uni when she's in Australia. Her only link to the Uni is to offer some 'real world' experience to budding journalists and political scientists. She's just spent 2 years researching the genocide in Rwanda for her next book.
Note: this is not intended to defend her in any way - just some contextural information.

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Originally posted by Steve Malinverni:
There is only an answer:

KRIEG! KRIEG! KRIEG!

OOOOOOHHHHH YEAHHHHHH





About Dr Leith? What do I think?
What do I hope?

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Originally posted by infinito:

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Originally posted by Steve Malinverni:
There is only an answer:

KRIEG! KRIEG! KRIEG!

OOOOOOHHHHH YEAHHHHHH





About Dr Leith? What do I think?
What do I hope?

Now she realy did it....Zi Germans iz comming!!!!

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Originally posted by The LOTT:
I'm new here, but I thought you'd like to see my communication with Denise Leith over the last few days:

email sent with copeis to University management:
Dear Denise,
I found this statement published on a major internet hunting forum and I would like to know if this represents the official attitude of your university towards hunting?

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I accidently found your site while looking for photos of Mambas. I can't think how else to say this, but you are repulsive. Boys with big guns pretending they are brave warriors. How pathetic!

Dr Denise Leith
Honorary Associate
Department of Politics and International Relations
Macquarie University
Sydney
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Considering that you represent yourself in your official capacity as an Honorary Associate (whatever that means) of the Department of Politics and International Relations, I am staggered that you would be flagrantly insulting to the international hunting community and I’m embarrassed for all Australians. Not only does this display ignorance of hunting in general, but particularly of the role that government controlled and managed hunting has in conservation and the maintenance of biodiversity. The Australian Government is a signatory to CITES (Convention for International Trade in Endangered Species) that accepts that hunting is a perfectly valid conservation tool. Shame on you! Please publish an apology and retraction. I suspect your ‘honorary position’ may be jeopardised by your short-sighted and inflammatory statement.

Regards,



Response received:

Dear Mr Stacey,

I sent a private email, which was posted without my permission on what you tell me is a major internet hunting forum. I assume you saw the email there. Thus, I did not intend to 'flagrantly insult the international hunting community', as you say. I wrote to an individual.

When I realised the private email had been made public I immediately wrote to the man explaining that firstly, the email was private and addressed to him alone and that it should not have been made public without my permission. I also explained that my Macquarie 'address' on the email was my error (I thought I had removed it) and that the sentiments I expressed in that email were obviously my own and not representative of my university. He has, I assume considering this email from you, not bothered to print my reply which would explain all this.

I would hope that this communication between us will remain private.

Regards
Denise Leith


Despite her request that our correspondence be kept private, I posted her response on AHN as the most succinct way of 'hosing down' the outrage ellicited by the original post of her email on this forum and discussed on AHN. I (obviously) disagree with her stance, but I agree that the posting of her email on the AR was a breach of privacy and we should not perpetuate this activity on AHN. Anyway, I'll respond to her email - her attitude to hunting may simply be her view of the world coloured by her upbringing - or it may be a self-developed deviancy. Either way I'll find out.



I emailed Ms Leith:

Dear Ms Leith,

I put myself in the place of “the man you sent the email to” and if you had insulted me in that manner, I would have done exactly as he did. Respecting your privacy and having regard for your feelings would not have been a consideration. If I, as a complete stranger, wrote an email to you and said “you are repulsive, consorting with snakes – black and green ones at that, you must be a tree-hugging, latte-sipping, card-holding member of the Balmain Lesbian Society” you would have every right to feel insulted and you would probably have a cry with your like-thinking mates. It’s fortunate that I’m a gentleman and even if I thought those things, I wouldn’t say them to a member of the fairer gender.

My point is, I learned a long time ago that if you’re deliberately provocative, there will usually be unpleasant repercussions. If you continue to provoke repulsive boys (and girls) with big guns on the front line of wildlife conservation in this wonderful world of ours, then I suggest that you harden up and learn to handle the response. I understand that I am unlikely to change your views on hunting, but I suggest that you at least research the subject and reach an informed opinion.

Kind regards,



Believe it or not, I just had a phone call from Denise Leith. She spoke eloquently and asked that the content of our conversation be kept confidential - a request that I will honour. In sending the original inflammatory email, she broke one of her own rules - never write anything when in an emotionally overwrought state. She shared with me why her head was in a place that prompted the email - and I accept it. To her credit, she promised to investigate hunting and game conservation - she has just spent 2 years in Africa researching her latest book.
Lesson - never jump to conclusions.


That probably sets a record for the longest first post on a forum?

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Remember those who can "do", and those who can't "teach".......

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have you never been taught anything or are you omni-intelligent and born capable??????

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Originally posted by 86thecat:
It may be worth the effort to quit kicking her and try to "lead her to water"

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Originally posted by Mike Smith:
I have to wonder why she expects any "right to privacy" when sending an unsolicited, uneducated, and hateful email to anyone on any subject. I also wonder why it is that a majority of left leaning liberals think they have the right to tell eveyone else what to do. If I dont like something I have the right to not associate myself with it. I dont however have the right to demand someone else does likewise. guess being liberal really isnt.

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John H.

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NitroExpress.com - the net's double rifle forum

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Originally posted by NitroX:
In Australia an email is regarded as a private communication by law.

Men of Harlech

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Originally posted by Pete E:

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Originally posted by NitroX:
In Australia an email is regarded as a private communication by law.

Surely that applies to third parties who may recieve an email not intended for them??

Surely the law was'nt intended to doesn't stop anyone publishing the contents of an email they legitimately sent or recieved???

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Originally posted by Saeed:
More info about Dr. Denise Leith
Amazing!
If this is not the ultimate in hypocracy, I don't know what.

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Originally posted by WannabeBwana:

Agreed. I'd like to see where the law says that either party to the actual e-mail is prohibited from publishing it.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Anyway, this lady is living in cockoo land. And suddenly she was brought down to earth.

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John H.

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NitroExpress.com - the net's double rifle forum

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Originally posted by NitroX:

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Originally posted by WannabeBwana:

Agreed. I'd like to see where the law says that either party to the actual e-mail is prohibited from publishing it.

Do a Google.com.au search.

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It's probably too late for this, but she could have joined the forum and expressed her concerns about hunting openly and rationally. You know, like an educated person might do.