In answer to the quesitons about replies from the university, I have recieved two. Both were out of office messages indicating that they are on holiday and won't return for approximately a week.

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Denise Leith has a Ph.D. in politics from Macquarie University, Sydney.

Thesis:

Leith, Denise 2000 The Politics of Power: Freeport in Suharto's Indonesia, PhD Dissertation, Macquarie University.

http://www.papuaweb.org/dlib/s123/leith/_rk.html



Activist:

Involved in hunger strike

http://www.theage.com.au/artic...2/1101923257032.html



http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2005/s1463711.htm


http://www.pen.org.au/docs/pen-2009-12-19.html

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Author/Editor :



Denise Leith, The Politics of Power: Freeport in Suharto’s Indonesia (University of Hawaii Press, 2002).

Denise Leith (Editor), Bearing Witness: The Lives of War Correspondents and Photojournalists (Random House, 2004). [1]

http://www.smh.com.au/articles...2/1088488146560.html

Allow me, please, to speak slowly and very distinctly1 this time: AZZHAT.

Opening line to the "Activism" article posted by DuggaBoye:
A group of prolific authors gathered in Sydney today to stage a 24-hour hunger strike in support of a Sri Lankan business man held in detention for three years.

Wow

1) Prolific authors! I guess like Hemingway or Ruark?

2) 24 Hours without food! That would be a great day for many of the Africans desperately living in countries that have forsaken sports hunting and now live in an environmental disaster zone with no prospect of a meal for weeks on end

quote:

Originally posted by Stephen Palos:
Opening line to the "Activism" article posted by DuggaBoye:
A group of prolific authors gathered in Sydney today to stage a 24-hour hunger strike in support of a Sri Lankan business man held in detention for three years.

Wow

1) Prolific authors! I guess like Hemingway or Ruark?

2) 24 Hours without food! That would be a great day for many of the Africans desperately living in countries that have forsaken sports hunting and now live in an environmental disaster zone with no prospect of a meal for weeks on end

Stephen,

If you are really narrow minded, you might classify writing hate letters to complete strangers as "authering"

quote:

Originally posted by CaneCorso:
The time is over to bow to the PC crowd and watch our heritage be stolen from us.

I am a man and a proud hunter.

I will not concede my son's future liberties to people like her.

Well said!

From an albeit brief inspection of her "activism" and writings, the appearance is --

attacking someone or something is her MO --stranger or otherwise.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
.....
I have told her the message will remain, and if she feels like apologizing, I will be happy to post her apology.

Way to go Saeed!

I do NOT think it was inappropriate to post her e-mail on the site for us to see! Even though its your site, we/many have been a part of AR for years and have a right to beaware of these types of goings-on.

IMO - You seem to have been a gentlemen and probably more respectful toward her than she deserves!

I would love to see a post of an apology, but I'm not holding my breath.

Did she really belief she could send an email to a stranger and it remain private. I have no idea what the laws are, but it seems to me that the recipient has the right to post it where ever. If someone sent me a hate letter I can turn it over to the police or post in the town square. Once they mail the letter it becomes the addressee's property.

Saeed:

Did you notice the reference of the good "Dr." to being an "Honorary Associate" of something called "Macquarie University"? Entirely apart from my desire not to insult Australia (well, yes, I do, because while I love the Aussies I always like to insult them) what in the US we used to call "cow colleges", is there really a position on the staff of a licensed and documented college in Australia called "Honorary Associate"? If so, I fear for the Aussies.

Apart from the "lady's" insult, what else is new that you take up space by reporting this?

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Malinverni:
Maaybe she wish a "before having been shooted" mamba photod?

Here's what the mamba I posted looked like about 1 minute before the other picture was taken...

Great photo, Canuck!

Those things scare me more than elephant!

I like the "after" picture much better.

quote:

Originally posted by Brett Adam Barringer:



Apparently she has some sort of skin pigmentation disorder! There's no reasoning with the unreasonable!

Brett

Malassezia furfur? Or some crazy vitiligo... haha

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

A perfect example of someone who does not have a life.

Hi Saeed

Please can you clarify this part of your post? Was it a footnote on her original message to you, or your own accurate summing up of her?

Stephen,

It was my own assessement of people like her.

Imagine being a "doctor" at university, and feeling so miserable you have to look around the Internet for strangers to send hate letters to.

Below you will find the correspondent I have had with her. You all can form your opinions of such an individual!

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Dear Dr. Leith,

You had absolutely no business writing what can only be taken as "hate" mail. And as it concerns my website, I choose to make our members aware of your attitude, and it seems their response has gotten your attention. I am not going to remove that letter from our website, and I certainly do not require your permission to make it public. You came out of the blue to insult me and the whole world wide hunting community. Your holier than thou attitude is absolutely pathetic.

In fact, I am even more disappointed to find that you are teaching Middle East Politics. I would have imagined anyone with interest in this would have a little more tolerance towards others than your attitude of hate.

I will be happy to post any apology you might feel will help clear this mess that you have created.

Best regards

Saeed



At 01:25 AM 1/8/2010, you wrote:

Dear Saeed,
My letter was a private response to you and should not have been made public. As I have already noted to Peter Nerving, I should have removed my computer 'signature' from the bottom of the letter. That was my mistake and I regret it. In no way do my personal views represent the university.
I request that you please remove my letter immediately from your web site as it was private and I did not give you permission to make it public.
I am more than willing to discuss the issues involved in hunting with you.
Regards
Denise
----- Original Message ----- From: "saeed" <saeed@emirates.net.ae>
To: "Denise Leith" <deniseleith@iprimus.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:09 PM
Subject: Re:



Dear Dr. Leith,

There is nothing more pathetic than an ignorant individual who thinks that she knows more than others.

And you are a perfect example of what the word "pathetic" actually means.

I have posted your letter on our web site, and you can view the response on the following link.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...1411043/m/5331039321

Being an honorary associate in politics and international relations, and having an attitude like yours, is beyond comprehension.

The world needs people with more tolerance, not extremism, which you show in abundance.

Have a nice 2010, and please keep your extremist views to yourself.

Best regards

Saeed



At 07:09 AM 1/6/2010, you wrote:

I accidently found your site while looking for photos of Mambas. I can't think how else to say this, but you are repulsive. Boys with big guns pretending they are brave warriors. How pathetic!

Dr Denise Leith
Honorary Associate
Department of Politics and International Relations
Macquarie University
Sydney

Perfect response.

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Perfect response.

Yeah, perfect, well handled Saeed.

Dave

quote:

A group of prolific authors gathered in Sydney today to stage a 24-hour hunger strike in support of a Sri Lankan business man held in detention for three years.

Sounds like the "doctor" is simply a textbook leftist.

quote:

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So "freedom of expression" is only acceptable as long as it agrees with the "doctor's" agenda/ideology. Such hypocrisy, but so typical.

Lady Leith,

If you came Looking for Mambas you came to the right place.

We all have Mambas you can choose from a whole range of variety of Mambas here Black,Yellow,Brow and White;old ,young but believe me with that kind of attitude i doubt you will find a good one

My 2 cents!

Dandy

quote:

A group of prolific authors gathered in Sydney today to stage a 24-hour hunger strike in support of a Sri Lankan business man held in detention for three years.

You can tell she has really suffered for what she believes in. A whole 24 hour hunger strike, she must have really chowed down after that 24 hours.

Good candidate for honorary hunter of the year award. We also might consider establishing the Denise Leith hunting scholarship for needy young hunters.

I get the impression that she is trying to deny and disavow her identity as a killer, and her knowledge of her own ancestral genetic heritage as a hunter. As we read her words we might be tempted to view her thoughts from a logical perspective. I think that might be a mistake. In other words, the way I see this is that her response to this web site has nothing to do with rational thought, and everything to do with her own personal sense of guilt for being human.

SAEED
My friend you are the man, also, wanted to say thank you again for the excellent dvds, I got them when I arrived home from Holiday.

Plus I saw a big photo of you at a booth at DSC, cant remember which one, or what you had killed, but you certainly caught my eye.

Continue fighting the good fight, we're here to back you up!

quote:

The time is over to bow to the PC crowd and watch our heritage be stolen from us.

I am a man and a proud hunter.

I will not concede my son's future liberties to people like her.

Me too! Well said Sir.


I did get a reply from the University

quote:

Dear Mr Cochran

Thank you for your note.

The opinions expressed by our staff member were in error linked to her
university email account. It had been Ms Leith's intention to express
these opinions as a private individual, not in her capacity as a
university employee. Additionally I understand her email was posted to
this site without her permission.

These are not the opinion's of our institution.

kind regards

Caroline Trotman

Another letter to Caroline Trotman and Denise Leith. I just sent this letter via e-mail.

Will

Denise,

Your e-mail / letter to Saeed and Accurate Reloading is repulsive and in strict terms hypocritical. You and those that embrace this hateful thinking do a disservice to the entire educational system. Your comments are nonetheless than shameful. Reviewing your history, your authored books, and your activist movements (suffering a 24 hour food strike---pleeeeaze, how dreadful), simply exposes your obtuse cerebral capacity for understand the "Nature of all Living things". You preach diversity, as long as those views fit your activist agenda. Quite typical and hypocritical. You should be embarrassed. You have managed to insult a national community and Nations in a single hate filled comment.
There is no room for this activist elite mentality in any educational system. Absolutely horrendous considering your alleged status as an honorary professor of politics and international relations.

Diversity is not just a word. It is a concept that you fail to recognize.

I just find it rediculously absurd that a profesor of Middle Eastern politics sends hate mail to the random owner of Accuratereloading and it happens to be a member of the royal family of Dubai! Oooops!!! Reasonable letters pointing out the error of her ways are nice and all, but as I stated before there's no reasoning with the unreasonable!

Brett

quote:

Originally posted by Brett Adam Barringer:
I just find it rediculously absurd that a profesor of Middle Eastern politics sends hate mail to the random owner of Accuratereloading and it happens to be a member of the royal family of Dubai! Oooops!!! Reasonable letters pointing out the error of her ways are nice and all, but as I stated before there's no reasoning with the unreasonable!

Brett

The fact that she is a professor of Middle East politics does necessarily mean she is a good one.

I've just asked her out for a drink, promised to show her a mamba and everything.

So far no response, but the night is young.

quote:

Originally posted by Lhook7:

quote:

Originally posted by Brett Adam Barringer:
I just find it rediculously absurd that a profesor of Middle Eastern politics sends hate mail to the random owner of Accuratereloading and it happens to be a member of the royal family of Dubai! Oooops!!! Reasonable letters pointing out the error of her ways are nice and all, but as I stated before there's no reasoning with the unreasonable!

Brett

The fact that she is a professor of Middle East politics does necessarily mean she is a good one.

One hopes that she would not be so petty as to bring petty animosity into her classroom.

I think the University she works at would be more annoyed by a steady stream of complaints than one short-lived deluge.

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional
maturity."
--Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis (1952

http://groups.google.com/group...msg/5fc8dd0f7d56981e

quote:

I've just asked her out for a drink, promised to show her a mamba and everything.

So far no response, but the night is young.

Sorry.
Maybe she's more of a cat person than she is a snake person.


OK, OK. I'm a bad man.

Her girlfriend lets her play with her plastic vibrating " mamba" now she wants one

Dear Dr. Leith,


I am writing this letter in response to an email that you sent to www.accuratereloading.com.
It is fascinating how often academic intellectuals are wrong and misinformed. Take for example your description of the members of AR as "Boys with big guns pretending they are brave warriors."
I have been a member of AR since 2006 and never once did I read any post or recall any member bragging about being brave or claiming warrior status. To the contrary, most of the members who have been on an African Safari become humbled. All of us marvel at the beauty of the African landscape and are amazed at the diversity of the animals within the ecosystem.
Brave warriors are in an elite class of their own. They are not unlike the American and Aussie men and other allies who defended Australia during World War II when Japan was one step from invading your country. These brave men fought island to island under the most severe conditions against a ruthless force. Or the thousands of Brits, Americans, Canadians and many other men and women who sacrificed their lives to free Europe from the tyranny of Nazi Germany. I wonder if the academic intellectuals ever pondered what their world would be like if the Axis powers prevailed during WW II?
If it were not for members of AR and other hunting groups most of the African animals would have been extinct years ago. Hunters are the largest and by far the most effective conservation group worldwide. It is the hunting community that understands nature and the dynamic process that occurs in nature. That is why large land blocks are absolutely necessary for many animals to thrive, and ironically these land areas have been established and reserved for animals worldwide by hunting organizations. Can you cite any source as evidence that academic institution donated any significant money or established a wildlife preserve in an African country?
African wildlife are in jeopardy because of increased human encroachment on the hunting preserve areas and reserves. In addition, hunters contribute large amounts of monies to the local economies and the harvest animals feed the locals and impart value to the wildlife from a local perspective. If the wildlife has value to the local people, poaching decreases. Kenya, which outlawed hunting years ago, has one of the highest poaching rates in Africa.
The greatest threat to all of African wildlife is liberal-progressive ideology that rejects the hunter-prey relationship that has existed for billions of years. This ideology influences world politics through deceptive media tactics and fraudulent academic institution research. Does global warming sound familiar?
If you care about African wildlife, I suggest you join our ranks and contribute to our organization to preserve African wildlife forever. Accuratereloading is accepting donations.
Lastly, I invite you to join me on my next safari. Currently I planning a safari to either the Selous in Tanzania, Niassa hunting blocks in Northern Mozambique, or the Okavongo Delta in Botswana. If you do not want to hunt , bring your camera and do a photo safari. I will prepare the all of the meals—expect elephant, buffalo and various plains game to be on the menu.

Best regards,

Dale A. Wilkie, DMD

AR should send me on a hunt for the above email.


dale

OK, Saeed is such a gentleman, and very PC. I grew up on a farm, and might be considered a redneck. We have a sayin' around here for such things as she said....

" Don' let yer tweetybird mouth override yer chickenshit ass!"



Mad Dog

Mad Dog,
you have a way with words and obviously a Phd in real life experiences.

The poor girl! I really feel a bit sorry for her. Like I do for all anti's; because like someone said, their stupidity was not reasoned into them!

She stepped on what we say in Afrikaans a "sponsdoring", which translates literally to "spunge-thorn". I'll explain by example.

As a no longer young man I often get up in the middle of the night to stand, slightly wide legged, somewhere on the lawn for a short while and listen to the jackals' callings and other night sounds while I marvel at the stars above while I do what needs to be done.

I also have 2 GSP dogs that roam about outside. Sometimes it is so dark outside that you can inadvertently step on something on the lawn that to my bare feet feels a bit like a bathroom sponge. But as soon as I want to get back into bed, hopefully before I actually do, the smell from a foot stings you like a thorn!

Now this poor girl stepped on a "sponsdoring" with her uncalled for message to Saeed. !

Beautifully handled that situation Saeed! My hat is tipped to you in a gentlemanly fashion!

In good hunting.

Andrew McLaren

I'm new here, but I thought you'd like to see my communication with Denise Leith over the last few days:

email sent with copeis to University management:
Dear Denise,
I found this statement published on a major internet hunting forum and I would like to know if this represents the official attitude of your university towards hunting?

quote:
I accidently found your site while looking for photos of Mambas. I can't think how else to say this, but you are repulsive. Boys with big guns pretending they are brave warriors. How pathetic!

Dr Denise Leith
Honorary Associate
Department of Politics and International Relations
Macquarie University
Sydney
end quote:

Considering that you represent yourself in your official capacity as an Honorary Associate (whatever that means) of the Department of Politics and International Relations, I am staggered that you would be flagrantly insulting to the international hunting community and I’m embarrassed for all Australians. Not only does this display ignorance of hunting in general, but particularly of the role that government controlled and managed hunting has in conservation and the maintenance of biodiversity. The Australian Government is a signatory to CITES (Convention for International Trade in Endangered Species) that accepts that hunting is a perfectly valid conservation tool. Shame on you! Please publish an apology and retraction. I suspect your ‘honorary position’ may be jeopardised by your short-sighted and inflammatory statement.

Regards,



Response received:

Dear Mr Stacey,

I sent a private email, which was posted without my permission on what you tell me is a major internet hunting forum. I assume you saw the email there. Thus, I did not intend to 'flagrantly insult the international hunting community', as you say. I wrote to an individual.

When I realised the private email had been made public I immediately wrote to the man explaining that firstly, the email was private and addressed to him alone and that it should not have been made public without my permission. I also explained that my Macquarie 'address' on the email was my error (I thought I had removed it) and that the sentiments I expressed in that email were obviously my own and not representative of my university. He has, I assume considering this email from you, not bothered to print my reply which would explain all this.

I would hope that this communication between us will remain private.

Regards
Denise Leith


Despite her request that our correspondence be kept private, I posted her response on AHN as the most succinct way of 'hosing down' the outrage ellicited by the original post of her email on this forum and discussed on AHN. I (obviously) disagree with her stance, but I agree that the posting of her email on the AR was a breach of privacy and we should not perpetuate this activity on AHN. Anyway, I'll respond to her email - her attitude to hunting may simply be her view of the world coloured by her upbringing - or it may be a self-developed deviancy. Either way I'll find out.



I emailed Ms Leith:

Dear Ms Leith,

I put myself in the place of “the man you sent the email to” and if you had insulted me in that manner, I would have done exactly as he did. Respecting your privacy and having regard for your feelings would not have been a consideration. If I, as a complete stranger, wrote an email to you and said “you are repulsive, consorting with snakes – black and green ones at that, you must be a tree-hugging, latte-sipping, card-holding member of the Balmain Lesbian Society” you would have every right to feel insulted and you would probably have a cry with your like-thinking mates. It’s fortunate that I’m a gentleman and even if I thought those things, I wouldn’t say them to a member of the fairer gender.

My point is, I learned a long time ago that if you’re deliberately provocative, there will usually be unpleasant repercussions. If you continue to provoke repulsive boys (and girls) with big guns on the front line of wildlife conservation in this wonderful world of ours, then I suggest that you harden up and learn to handle the response. I understand that I am unlikely to change your views on hunting, but I suggest that you at least research the subject and reach an informed opinion.

Kind regards,



Believe it or not, I just had a phone call from Denise Leith. She spoke eloquently and asked that the content of our conversation be kept confidential - a request that I will honour. In sending the original inflammatory email, she broke one of her own rules - never write anything when in an emotionally overwrought state. She shared with me why her head was in a place that prompted the email - and I accept it. To her credit, she promised to investigate hunting and game conservation - she has just spent 2 years in Africa researching her latest book.
Lesson - never jump to conclusions.


That probably sets a record for the longest first post on a forum?

It is an unfortunate weakness of Liberals to assume that everyone thinks the way that they do. Locked within the confines of a university, they feel embolden to belittle anyone who thinks differently than they. I am glad that the response she has gotten gave her a moment of pause.

As an aside, no written communication can be considered private unless there is a written agreement prior to sending it, especially unsolicited commentary. I am sure she had ben reprimanded for using the university's name as a crutch for her position, but as usual, hate speech is usually tolerated as long as it is liberal in nature.

John

THE LOTT I think your first post is and was received very well. Good job and good approach.
Take care.
Dave