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Originally posted by eezridr:
You can go onto the DSC website and access info on board members , structure etc. and see who is all involved in this org. No secrets.

I did get a chuckle out of the OHAA details.

• Applications for this award may only be submitted by the individual involved.
Self nomination?

You apply for your own award (LOL).
Love ME!!!

Who votes?

Saeed... Have you applied ?? Could not help it..

EZ

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
I haven't spent much time on AR lately; having too much fun at my CO place, but I just finished wading through this train wreck. I have only met Larry Shores in person once - at the Darwin Yacht Club in Darwin, NT, Australia. He impressed me then, and he certainly impressed me on this thread. He appears to me to be the best possible ambassador to mend things between DSC and SCI.

Disclaimer: Larry did buy dinner in Darwin and it was pretty extravagant, so my opinion is perhaps best discarded. (Keep your chin up Dave Fulson.)

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Originally posted by larryshores:

quote:

Originally posted by eezridr:
You can go onto the DSC website and access info on board members , structure etc. and see who is all involved in this org. No secrets.

I did get a chuckle out of the OHAA details.

• Applications for this award may only be submitted by the individual involved.
Self nomination?

You apply for your own award (LOL).
Love ME!!!

Who votes?

Saeed... Have you applied ?? Could not help it..

EZ

Doesn’t that speak volumes about the award winners?

This matter reminds me is something a very wise man once told me. He told me that one’s position on any issue is directly dependent on the chair they are sitting in.

In the final analysis, I hope we can all agree on one thing . These hunting organizations need to work together.

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:


Hunting is not and cannot ethically made into a competition.

I have always and will always stand for that proposition.

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:


Hunting is not and cannot ethically made into a competition.

I have always and will always stand for that proposition.

+1

Look what big money competition has done to fishing.

Lie detector test in big money fishing competitions are becoming the norm.

Mike

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by larryshores:

quote:

Originally posted by eezridr:
You can go onto the DSC website and access info on board members , structure etc. and see who is all involved in this org. No secrets.

I did get a chuckle out of the OHAA details.

• Applications for this award may only be submitted by the individual involved.
Self nomination?

You apply for your own award (LOL).
Love ME!!!

Who votes?

Saeed... Have you applied ?? Could not help it..

EZ

Doesn’t that speak volumes about the award winners?

This matter reminds me is something a very wise man once told me. He told me that one’s position on any issue is directly dependent on the chair they are sitting in.

In the final analysis, I hope we can all agree on one thing . These hunting organizations need to work together.

Bloody hell!

Yes, sure speaks volumes about the "winners"!

Must be a bunch of no class, no character, no spine, look at me bloody IDIOTS!

Not much better than those brainless bimbos you see on sick media showing their rear ends for more likes!

This is absolutely rock bottom level of of anything to do with hunting!

And I understand some of those individuals were the ones who started "save DSC"

Is there any doubt about them now.

There is nothing any one of us would like to see than our hunting organizations working together.

But certainly NOT run by a bunch of self glorifying idiots!

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
So Dave is an advertising man for the new DSC?

I have stated before, I never believe ANY advert!

The “save DSC” individuals are still part of the organization?

Why?

When you have a rotten apple in your apple box, you throw it away.

I might be old fashioned, but I believe if create unnecessary problems for the organization you are part of, you should be kicked out.

Those people cost DSC lots of money.

For what purpose??

Why are they not be made to pay for their stupidity??

What "new DSC"? Again, that's the crux of the problem. There isn't a "new DSC". The Save DSC guys aren't in leadership from my understanding. If I'm wrong on that, I'll stand corrected.

Why are the Save DSC rat bastards still members? Because the legal case against them did not result in the organization being able to kick them out. Why is OJ not in jail for life for murdering his ex wife and Ron Goldman? The case against him failed, regardless of overwhelming evidence.

For about 12 years, I was a petroleum landman, working for and being paid by oil companies. I'm not a climate change denier but I have serious doubts that the climate changes we are seeing today are being caused by man burning hydrocarbons. I don't hold that view because I was paid by oil companies. I hold that view because I see discrepancies in the Global Warming narrative that I need additional answers to. The fact that an overwhelming number of "scientists" say it's so, doesn't sway my opinion because I realize most of them get their funding from universities, who receive their funding from governments that have a vested interest in promoting the tax-wealth redistribution scheme of man made global warming. In short, I don't believe scientists funded by the oil industry nor governments. I want to see for myself by asking critical questions. I believe my opinions on the matter are not influenced by the fact that I worked for oil companies as I held those same opinions before being "on the payroll". I'm saying Dave's opinions and commentaries on DSC are consistent with his opinions and commentary before his company was paid to do promotional videos. I fully understand anyone not knowing him for the period of time I have, dismissing that as me just defending a friend. But it's still not the truth.

The problem with social media crucifixions is the medium disallows nuance while encouraging pitchfork and torch persecutions. It's a sign of our times unfortunately.

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Originally posted by Texas Blue Devil:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
So Dave is an advertising man for the new DSC?

I have stated before, I never believe ANY advert!

The “save DSC” individuals are still part of the organization?

Why?

When you have a rotten apple in your apple box, you throw it away.

I might be old fashioned, but I believe if create unnecessary problems for the organization you are part of, you should be kicked out.

Those people cost DSC lots of money.

For what purpose??

Why are they not be made to pay for their stupidity??

What "new DSC"? Again, that's the crux of the problem. There isn't a "new DSC". The Save DSC guys aren't in leadership from my understanding. If I'm wrong on that, I'll stand corrected.

Why are the Save DSC rat bastards still members? Because the legal case against them did not result in the organization being able to kick them out. Why is OJ not in jail for life for murdering his ex wife and Ron Goldman? The case against him failed, regardless of overwhelming evidence.

For about 12 years, I was a petroleum landman, working for and being paid by oil companies. I'm not a climate change denier but I have serious doubts that the climate changes we are seeing today are being caused by man burning hydrocarbons. I don't hold that view because I was paid by oil companies. I hold that view because I see discrepancies in the Global Warming narrative that I need additional answers to. The fact that an overwhelming number of "scientists" say it's so, doesn't sway my opinion because I realize most of them get their funding from universities, who receive their funding from governments that have a vested interest in promoting the tax-wealth redistribution scheme of man made global warming. In short, I don't believe scientists funded by the oil industry nor governments. I want to see for myself by asking critical questions. I believe my opinions on the matter are not influenced by the fact that I worked for oil companies as I held those same opinions before being "on the payroll". I'm saying Dave's opinions and commentaries on DSC are consistent with his opinions and commentary before his company was paid to do promotional videos. I fully understand anyone not knowing him for the period of time I have, dismissing that as me just defending a friend. But it's still not the truth.

The problem with social media crucifixions is the medium disallows nuance while encouraging pitchfork and torch persecutions. It's a sign of our times unfortunately.

Do you need a real "legal case" to kick someone out of a club??

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Do you need a real "legal case" to kick someone out of a club??

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
I rarely speak in absolutes, but neither can I ignore them.

As a behaviorist of the first order once said, “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.”

No matter when, what, how or where, intentions do not and cannot dictate results.

Hunting is not and cannot ethically be made into a competition.

I have always and will always stand for that proposition.

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Originally posted by Texas Blue Devil:



Do you need a real "legal case" to kick someone out of a club??

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by Texas Blue Devil:



Do you need a real "legal case" to kick someone out of a club??

Good and valid question.

Here's another. Is it possible for a well connected, well financed person to file a law suit for "wrongful termination" and win? Even from a club? I honestly don't know. And I don't know what went down with the Save DSC fiasco. I'd like to know more. What I've been told is there was a legal battle, one that evidently cost DSC 1/2 a mil to defend itself, and in the end, some of the malcontents were allowed to remain due to the way the legal battle played out. More forthcoming answers beyond that would be good to know.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

quote:

Originally posted by Texas Blue Devil:



Do you need a real "legal case" to kick someone out of a club??

Good and valid question.

Here's another. Is it possible for a well connected, well financed person to file a law suit for "wrongful termination" and win? Even from a club? I honestly don't know. And I don't know what went down with the Save DSC fiasco. I'd like to know more. What I've been told is there was a legal battle, one that evidently cost DSC 1/2 a mil to defend itself, and in the end, some of the malcontents were allowed to remain due to the way the legal battle played out. More forthcoming answers beyond that would be good to know.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
I personally believe hiding from the “antis” is a cop out. Being honorable and transparent are good traits to exhibit. I see nothing in describing exactly what went down with “save DSC” to be anything that “antis” could use against us. I am well aware they do monitor and pull from this site. I have examples pinned to the top of the Lion Conservation Forum.

If DSC hierarchy came on and described exactly what “save DSC” tried to do, who was involved, how the matter was handled and why, and why the structure of the DSC hierarchy and officer duties was subsequently changed…it would go a long way to making the membership feel secure in their association.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
I personally believe hiding from the “antis” is a cop out. Being honorable and transparent are good traits to exhibit. I see nothing in describing exactly what went down with “save DSC” to be anything that “antis” could use against us. I am well aware they do monitor and pull from this site. I have examples pinned to the top of the Lion Conservation Forum.

If DSC hierarchy came on and described exactly what “save DSC” tried to do, who was involved, how the matter was handled and why, and why the structure of the DSC hierarchy and officer duties was subsequently changed…it would go a long way to making the membership feel secure in their association.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Sadly AR continues to morph into a platform that seems to function more and more like other social media platforms. When you look broadly at social media today you see that participants do not question the underlying motivations of other participants. Participants assume that they have a complete command of the "facts" when the truth is that much is not known to them. Participants are quick to pick sides and declare winners and losers even with incomplete information. Participants mischaracterize and misstate information for some desired dramatic affect and such mischaracterizations and misstatements are taken by others to be gospel and regurgitated.

The one thing that is clear from this thread, sadly, is that a valued poster in the past has declared that enough is enough, he's out. He can add his name to the pantheon of contributors that have left the forum in the past or have allowed their contributions to dwindle to a trickle. For example, I think of someone like Richard Harland, who joined the forum and was sharing his knowledge, only to be told that he really did not know what he talking about. It is beyond serious dispute that this forum, when gauged by the quality and quantity of the information exchanged, has been in decline for a number of years now. Perhaps we should be asking ourselves why. Maybe it is because folks here do not question the motivations of other posters, they assume a complete command of the "facts" when they do not have one, they love to pick winners and losers based on incomplete information and they blatantly mischaracterize and misstate information to try and make a point.

As Pogo famously said, "we have met the enemy and he is us."

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Originally posted by cow-trader:
Howzit Gents,

All I can say is what clusterfuck! Just a sign of the modern world -- full of crooks and misfits.

From what I can tell from be involved in the industry a long time -- DSC looks to be headed the way of SCI when they were first charted to not.

My rekkie tells me it is the fear of Wilson Stout and Steve Miller that has allowed this shit-show to go down.

Hopefully they kick those 2 rat-bastards to the curb before it is too late.

The original DSC had it right -- good men like Karl Evans at the helm.

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
Sadly AR continues to morph into a platform that seems to function more and more like other social media platforms. When you look broadly at social media today you see that participants do not question the underlying motivations of other participants. Participants assume that they have a complete command of the "facts" when the truth is that much is not known to them. Participants are quick to pick sides and declare winners and losers even with incomplete information. Participants mischaracterize and misstate information for some desired dramatic affect and such mischaracterizations and misstatements are taken by others to be gospel and regurgitated.

The one thing that is clear from this thread, sadly, is that a valued poster in the past has declared that enough is enough, he's out. He can add his name to the pantheon of contributors that have left the forum in the past or have allowed their contributions to dwindle to a trickle. For example, I think of someone like Richard Harland, who joined the forum and was sharing his knowledge, only to be told that he really did not know what he talking about. It is beyond serious dispute that this forum, when gauged by the quality and quantity of the information exchanged, has been in decline for a number of years now. Perhaps we should be asking ourselves why. Maybe it is because folks here do not question the motivations of other posters, they assume a complete command of the "facts" when they do not have one, they love to pick winners and losers based on incomplete information and they blatantly mischaracterize and misstate information to try and make a point.

As Pogo famously said, "we have met the enemy and he is us."