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Originally posted by Saeed:
Do these have names?

And what they do?

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I meant the people in the picture.

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Originally posted by vvreddy:
The OHAA award is nothing new. It's now in it's 40th year.

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Originally posted by TigerPaw:
Let me stick my little toe in, are you suggesting no awards at all?
IMHO the Weatherby has been around awhile and is very respected. A lot of dedication in that.
As far as the pic on the first page, it's kinda embarrassing from a hunter perspective.

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Originally posted by Dave Fulson:
I have been asked not to re-engaged by a couple of DSC members I respect, as they rightly saw me heading into the mud and blood, or to answer the questionnaire that were mostly the voices of a few guys with grudges trying to even the score with DSC for hurt feelings or a sense of sudden uninvolvement or influence through a third party. Good advice I decided I will take, but that said, on the OHAA debate, I am in full agreement it is not becoming in any fashion. I would personally not walk across the street to win the Weatherby, OHAA, Conklin or get a Double Diamond Quail Of The World Pin. It's not why I hunt. Others feel the same, some others do not. Most folks I spoke to shared the firm sentiment that DSC should not be in the awards business like SCI, and that is sure a topic of discussion that I bet will be addressed with all the uproar it has caused. As a person that currently sits on the DSC Foundation Board, and The DSC Frontline Foundation Board I need not "guess" what is happening within the organization as some are certainly doing on this thread. DSC has indeed made some structure changes that are in-line with who we are today, an INTERNATIONAL Hunting\Conservation\ Hunters Advocacy ORGANIZATION. The days of being a CLUB, along with the CLUB Mentality is in the rearview mirror. And Thank GOD for it! DSC has wisely placed Corey Mason into the role of CEO, with the DSC Board and the Foundation Board serving under competent Presidents. I cannot imagine a man better suited to steer DSC into the future than Corey Mason. Mark Little, followed by Amy Calander brought structure, leadership and clear vision to their role as DSC Presidents and it has been an honor to serve under the Presidency of Tim Fallon, who has our Foundation running lean, making money, and making grants that drive and support our mission. DSC is NOT becoming SCI, of that I can assure you. I deeply respect so many of the folks on AR and value your opinions. Others with axes to grind, or who are free and vocal with critical opinions based on little if any understanding of DSC's organizational structure or direction, not so much. And please do not think I am defending or promoting the OHAA uniforms, or speaking for DSC at large. This is straight from Dave... I'm with you guys on that. Cheers.

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Originally posted by 4WD:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by larryshores:

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I have a few thoughts/comments:

I wasn’t going to respond to this . However, after yesterday, I decided I would respond when Dave started throwing barbs at SCI. I am life members of both and support both. We have the same ultimate goals.

Yesterday for two hours, I was involved in a ZOOM call of the SCI Executive Committee. There was absolutely a discussion of the DSC convention. Let me throw out a few comments that I recall:




5-There was a lot of discussion of putting money into projects. I have a few questions about that . How much money was spent for lawyers on the “Save DSC “ matter? Did DSC have a directors & officers policy? If they did, why didn’t they file a claim? It seems to me it is gross negligence if DSC didn’t have a D&O policy. It also seems to me that it is also gross negligence to fail to file a claim under such policy.

6-Why on earth would DSC give outstanding hunter awards to the same people (Save DSC) who cost DSC a small mountain of money?


7-Did DSC fund all of its conservation commitments given the legal fees incurred? Keep in mind that I am in direct contact with some of the people DSC committed to.


Inquiring minds want to know.[/QUOTE


Questions For:


Larry Shores
Karl Evans
Dave Fulton

If Stephen Miller was guilty of the attempted DSC debacle and attempted takeover. Costing DSC a large amount of money in legal fees that could have been used for conservation efforts . Then why in the hell would DSC reward Stephen Miller at the convention with a DSC award? From the way I read it Stephen Miller should have been instead formally humiliated and kicked out of DSC. It is people and situations like this with Stephen Miller a self serving egomaniac that keep many of us from becoming further involved and contributing money and time to DSC and SCI.
4WD

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Originally posted by Dave Fulson:
I have been asked not to re-engaged by a couple of DSC members I respect, as they rightly saw me heading into the mud and blood, or to answer the questionnaire that were mostly the voices of a few guys with grudges trying to even the score with DSC for hurt feelings or a sense of sudden uninvolvement or influence through a third party. Good advice I decided I will take, but that said, on the OHAA debate, I am in full agreement it is not becoming in any fashion. I would personally not walk across the street to win the Weatherby, OHAA, Conklin or get a Double Diamond Quail Of The World Pin. It's not why I hunt. Others feel the same, some others do not. Most folks I spoke to shared the firm sentiment that DSC should not be in the awards business like SCI, and that is sure a topic of discussion that I bet will be addressed with all the uproar it has caused. As a person that currently sits on the DSC Foundation Board, and The DSC Frontline Foundation Board I need not "guess" what is happening within the organization as some are certainly doing on this thread. DSC has indeed made some structure changes that are in-line with who we are today, an INTERNATIONAL Hunting\Conservation\ Hunters Advocacy ORGANIZATION. The days of being a CLUB, along with the CLUB Mentality is in the rearview mirror. And Thank GOD for it! DSC has wisely placed Corey Mason into the role of CEO, with the DSC Board and the Foundation Board serving under competent Presidents. I cannot imagine a man better suited to steer DSC into the future than Corey Mason. Mark Little, followed by Amy Calander brought structure, leadership and clear vision to their role as DSC Presidents and it has been an honor to serve under the Presidency of Tim Fallon, who has our Foundation running lean, making money, and making grants that drive and support our mission. DSC is NOT becoming SCI, of that I can assure you. I deeply respect so many of the folks on AR and value your opinions. Others with axes to grind, or who are free and vocal with critical opinions based on little if any understanding of DSC's organizational structure or direction, not so much. And please do not think I am defending or promoting the OHAA uniforms, or speaking for DSC at large. This is straight from Dave... I'm with you guys on that. Cheers.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by 4WD:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by larryshores:

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I have a few thoughts/comments:

I wasn’t going to respond to this . However, after yesterday, I decided I would respond when Dave started throwing barbs at SCI. I am life members of both and support both. We have the same ultimate goals.

Yesterday for two hours, I was involved in a ZOOM call of the SCI Executive Committee. There was absolutely a discussion of the DSC convention. Let me throw out a few comments that I recall:




5-There was a lot of discussion of putting money into projects. I have a few questions about that . How much money was spent for lawyers on the “Save DSC “ matter? Did DSC have a directors & officers policy? If they did, why didn’t they file a claim? It seems to me it is gross negligence if DSC didn’t have a D&O policy. It also seems to me that it is also gross negligence to fail to file a claim under such policy.

6-Why on earth would DSC give outstanding hunter awards to the same people (Save DSC) who cost DSC a small mountain of money?


7-Did DSC fund all of its conservation commitments given the legal fees incurred? Keep in mind that I am in direct contact with some of the people DSC committed to.


Inquiring minds want to know.[/QUOTE


Questions For:


Larry Shores
Karl Evans
Dave Fulton

If Stephen Miller was guilty of the attempted DSC debacle and attempted takeover. Costing DSC a large amount of money in legal fees that could have been used for conservation efforts . Then why in the hell would DSC reward Stephen Miller at the convention with a DSC award? From the way I read it Stephen Miller should have been instead formally humiliated and kicked out of DSC. It is people and situations like this with Stephen Miller a self serving egomaniac that keep many of us from becoming further involved and contributing money and time to DSC and SCI.
4WD

4WD,
The whole thing is totally confusing to me as well.

The lack of transparency gives me concern. And. anyone I ask to fill me in seems either as confused or less than forthcoming. When I saw the thread pop up…I was hoping — maybe — finally some clarity???

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Originally posted by 4WD:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by larryshores:

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I have a few thoughts/comments:

I wasn’t going to respond to this . However, after yesterday, I decided I would respond when Dave started throwing barbs at SCI. I am life members of both and support both. We have the same ultimate goals.

Yesterday for two hours, I was involved in a ZOOM call of the SCI Executive Committee. There was absolutely a discussion of the DSC convention. Let me throw out a few comments that I recall:




5-There was a lot of discussion of putting money into projects. I have a few questions about that . How much money was spent for lawyers on the “Save DSC “ matter? Did DSC have a directors & officers policy? If they did, why didn’t they file a claim? It seems to me it is gross negligence if DSC didn’t have a D&O policy. It also seems to me that it is also gross negligence to fail to file a claim under such policy.

6-Why on earth would DSC give outstanding hunter awards to the same people (Save DSC) who cost DSC a small mountain of money?


7-Did DSC fund all of its conservation commitments given the legal fees incurred? Keep in mind that I am in direct contact with some of the people DSC committed to.


Inquiring minds want to know.[/QUOTE


Questions For:


Larry Shores
Karl Evans
Dave Fulton

If Stephen Miller was guilty of the attempted DSC debacle and attempted takeover. Costing DSC a large amount of money in legal fees that could have been used for conservation efforts . Then why in the hell would DSC reward Stephen Miller at the convention with a DSC award? From the way I read it Stephen Miller should have been instead formally humiliated and kicked out of DSC. It is people and situations like this with Stephen Miller a self serving egomaniac that keep many of us from becoming further involved and contributing money and time to DSC and SCI.
4WD

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Originally posted by 4WD:

Larry Shores
Karl Evans
Dave Fulton

If Stephen Miller was guilty of the attempted DSC debacle and attempted takeover. Costing DSC a large amount of money in legal fees that could have been used for conservation efforts . Then why in the hell would DSC reward Stephen Miller at the convention with a DSC award? From the way I read it Stephen Miller should have been instead formally humiliated and kicked out of DSC. It is people and situations like this with Stephen Miller a self serving egomaniac that keep many of us from becoming further involved and contributing money and time to DSC and SCI.
4WD

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Originally posted by Bwana338:
Thank you Larry,

Interesting reading the letter you posted.

From past "Clubs" that I have belong to, when a group tries to take the "Club" over and their execution fails, they are usually ousted from the "Club".

The participants being, Life memberships were revoked and/or annual member membership were not renewed. They were free to move on and start their own "Club". This is what I expected to have heard from DSC.

Now the members behind the Save DSC fiscal, my expectation from the DSC leadership was to revoke their DSC membership and band them for life as DSC members. I do believe that other DSC members felt the same.

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Originally posted by 4WD:
It looks like the other takeover DSC person in the photo is Wilson Stout who should be publicly embarrassed also. Looks like he continues to be the chair of this OHAA award committee who awards people like Stephen Miller even after they tried to over throw DSC together!! Who is in charge of DSC to allow these people to still be in DSC positions?
Wilson Stout (the one with all of the goofy colored ropes and Jim Carey glasses look alike) is quoted as saying “the OHAA awards individuals who become an important part of DSC history”. Looks as though this Wilson Stout clown is partially responsible for giving his pal Stephen Miller this DSC award.
What a crock of B.S.
It’s an embarrassment for all DSC members to allow the likes of Stephen Miller and Wilson Stout to remain as members of DSC.

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Originally posted by eezridr:
Karl,
Not certain "leadership" is the correct definition however how many of the 11 still remain in some sort of leadership or active positions at DSC?
What % of leadership do these individuals comprise. In other words do they convey any influence or direction? EZ

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Originally posted by eezridr:
Karl,
Not certain "leadership" is the correct definition however how many of the 11 still remain in some sort of leadership or active positions at DSC?
What % of leadership do these individuals comprise. In other words do they convey any influence or direction?

EZ

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Originally posted by Dave Fulson:
No one, NO ONE raised more voice or hell against the Save DSC nonsense than myself.There are people on this thread that will remember the AG meeting two years ago when I lit up this bunch...by name...to their faces... in front of the entire and large gathering. Please feel free to comment on it here if you were there. I did everything in my power to sack the entire Save DSC lot, but that is not, after a titanic struggle what was done. OHAA awards their Award to themselves. No current Officer, Board member, President or CEO at DSC votes on that award. And Saaed, NO, awards are NOT our priority or part of our mission. While I appreciate the dedication to lofty hunting goals, and success in the hunt that these hunters have achieved, I would prefer they go away, as I personally believe they are dangerous in that they are viewed so poorly by the general public today. I will use my voice, for whatever power it might, or might not generate, to petition for just that. There was a struggle of Old Guard 'Club Mentality" vs the current Leadership Goal of becoming the most successful conservation\hunter advocacy organization we can be while making a true difference on a Global Basis. No one rolled his eyes during the OHAA Award presentation than myself, and for ANYONE to think this nonsense of awards as being a priority at DSC is simply not updated on the facts, or the inner workings of it's leadership goals. I am... and I hope my reputation in this industry, which means everything to me, would and will matter to the readers of this thread. It is my opinion that DSC is in the best position this organization has ever been in. Our leadership is talented, driven and committed. Our Boards have improved dramatically in the last several years, and are a exciting reflection of the type of people who are ready to sacrifice both time and talent to reach the lofty goals DSC has set for the future. Our convention was a success despite the issues we had to deal with due to Covid related travel issues, and I am hoping all other conventions will be equally successful. There has been much SPIN put on this thread. I hope my comments will help to end the speculation that DSC is searching for its soul. Nothing, nothing could be further from the truth gentlemen.

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Originally posted by Dave Fulson:
No one, NO ONE raised more voice or hell against the Save DSC nonsense than myself.There are people on this thread that will remember the AG meeting two years ago when I lit up this bunch...by name...to their faces... in front of the entire and large gathering. Please feel free to comment on it here if you were there. I did everything in my power to sack the entire Save DSC lot, but that is not, after a titanic struggle what was done. OHAA awards their Award to themselves. No current Officer, Board member, President or CEO at DSC votes on that award. And Saaed, NO, awards are NOT our priority or part of our mission. While I appreciate the dedication to lofty hunting goals, and success in the hunt that these hunters have achieved, I would prefer they go away, as I personally believe they are dangerous in that they are viewed so poorly by the general public today. I will use my voice, for whatever power it might, or might not generate, to petition for just that. There was a struggle of Old Guard 'Club Mentality" vs the current Leadership Goal of becoming the most successful conservation\hunter advocacy organization we can be while making a true difference on a Global Basis. No one rolled his eyes during the OHAA Award presentation than myself, and for ANYONE to think this nonsense of awards as being a priority at DSC is simply not updated on the facts, or the inner workings of it's leadership goals. I am... and I hope my reputation in this industry, which means everything to me, would and will matter to the readers of this thread. It is my opinion that DSC is in the best position this organization has ever been in. Our leadership is talented, driven and committed. Our Boards have improved dramatically in the last several years, and are a exciting reflection of the type of people who are ready to sacrifice both time and talent to reach the lofty goals DSC has set for the future. Our convention was a success despite the issues we had to deal with due to Covid related travel issues, and I am hoping all other conventions will be equally successful. There has been much SPIN put on this thread. I hope my comments will help to end the speculation that DSC is searching for its soul. Nothing, nothing could be further from the truth gentlemen.