This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard?

"If he was armed, if it was legal"

If your sister had a dick she would be your brother.

No person's life is worth that of an animal. I am in the military and have 4 combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I wouldn't shoot a poacher for fun and profit.

This is what your all talking about, finding a legal loophole to commit murder.

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Originally posted by 700 nitro:
if its legal....and i get paid a bounty hell yeah...............

I'm touched by your humanity. Pity neither your 'death-to-them-all' war cry nor your 700 nitro will make your dick any bigger, eh?

no, shooting is not enough punishment, but i would cut his balls off as an alternate

I don't know.

Perry

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No person's life is worth that of an animal. I am in the military and have 4 combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I wouldn't shoot a poacher for fun and profit.

Are you are saying that if you were tasked with an anti poaching patrol you would not follow orders? I have spent a fair amount of my adult life in ground combat and I am smart enough to know that there is a very fine line between murder and "state sanctioned" killing.

No!

AD

Interestingly enough I was presented with this situation in Zambia, Lunga in 2000. We suprised a poacher taking a guinea fowl in a snare and as he ran off across a large burn the game scout told me I could shoot him if I wanted. Although a interesting proposition the thought of traveling 10,000 miles to shoot someone for poaching a bird didnt seem to realistic. I did get everyones attention when I jumped out of the cruiser and asked where I should shoot him. Steve Taylor got a good laugh out of that one. I would much rather of shot our game scout as he was a total looser. He could have shot him himself if he could have got his AK out of the rack in time.

Yes, no - hard to say, I would have to be in the position to know the truth.

There are poachers, and there are Poachers.
Sure, if we happen upon some scrawny old fellow in bad health with a small snare I would give him some medicine, some food and a pack of cigarettes.
If, on the other hand, the pre-hunt intel brief from the PH indicates that there are sleek looking, heavily armed and organized gangs afoot; well, that is a different deal entirely. Those guys are bad ju-ju, and are not amenable to reason.
What the heck, we just take life as we find it.
I guess what I am saying is to think it through before the situation arises, and talk it over with your PH. Also, do him a favor and let him know up front what your inclination is. That allows him to respond optimally to the encounter.
There is a difference between killing and murder. I thought about that a lot over two decades in the military.
If you wait until the situation is upon you to make a decision, it is too late.

LD

I think Lawndart makes a good point about the two ends of the poaching spectrum. As for myself:
"To protect yourself, or someone under your care, custody or control, against the threat of death or grave bodily harm." That's my criteria, here, there or anywhere.

I sure hope the antis are not reading this thread.
Not only would I not shoot a poacher if my ph shot at one when I was with him the hunt would be over. I would demand a refund on my hunt and leave. I am there for a hunt not to police the place. I sure dont want to be around that kind of thing and dont mind saying so.
Oh he wouldnt get a tip either.

Fear of God is the first thought that comes to my mind. For that reason, I say no, unless in self-defense.

However, I do have a temper, and walking up on a snared animal, that has died a cruel death, in a wire snare, or chewed their leg off to get free...

Well, I just hope the Lord believes in justifiable homicide, and or diminished capacity, caused by rage, lowering the crime to manslaughter...

One thought that really bothers me is what if, as I go up the to the gates, I find out that St. Peter, and God, both appeared to us as they promised, in a fashion that all of their creatures could see, and appreciate. In other words, in The Bible, the Lord promises He will reveal Himself to all of His creations, at sometime in their life. Hence the variety of different perceptions about the Lord, in a number of vary similar religions, yet the appearance fits the culture, and the people.

What if He's really four footed, and, He's keeping his promise to all, and the real "Choosen ones" are elephants??
What would He think if I allowed elephant poachers to go, when I could have stopped them?



gs

As for anti's, I would think they would applaud the shooting of poachers since they value animals over Africans.
However, anti's are irrational, and, inconsistent, and, making them see that shooting humans protects the animal population, and that in fact, the far largest threat to animals is diminished habitat, caused by overpopulation, not hunting.
The logical conclusion should then be for anti's to support war, starvation, aides, and disease, in Africa. They therefore should logically conclude that the withholding of all aide to Africa would be in the best intrest of the animal population, since the more people that die, would limit the habitat loss, and, protect the animal population.

Of course, this would also dictate hunters not being allowed, because hunting provides large, valuable income to countries, further increasing human population, which decreases animal habitat.

What is this, the 700 club?

Posted by Kamo Kooki

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What is this, the 700 club?

It is a thread about poachers. I believe you are looking for troll central. It is in aisle five, under the political forum.

only in self defence, he would have to be threatening me or the ph ect, lets hope it never happens. Hell i could not even bring myself to shoot a baboon. (I have no problem with those that have), thats just me.

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Originally posted by lawndart:
It is a thread about poachers. I believe you are looking for troll central. It is in aisle five, under the political forum.

The first time I was accused of being a troll was by Atkinson. Hmm.

Shouldn't you be busy planning a poacher assasination, or something else as equally and patently ridiculous?

Kamo Coochie,

Planning done, actions to take (or not take) in various scenarios are hard wired via many years of practice and training. That is how young soldiers/pilots live to be old soldiers/pilots.

Thanks for your interest.

lawndart

PS I need to apologize about one thing. I unintentionally misled you. The political forum is in aisle four, not five. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea inestima culpa.

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Originally posted by lawndart:
Planning done, actions to take (or not take) in various scenarios are hard wired via many years of practice and training.

I see. And here silly me thought it was simply a matter of waiting until the PH fired first, then follwing suit. Now where might I have read that? Very noble tactic, BTW: wait until someone else takes the risk, then join in! What's that called? Not-so-scary seconds?

You sure don't miss many opportunities to tout your supposed heroics, do you? Zzzzz....

Kamo Cooter,

The only heroes I know are dead. Via training, practice and leaving the emotions at home even you could get through hard times in good order.

LD

LD, most times I find what you have to say interesting and often, entertaining. Today you just bore me.

Thanks for the memories, though.

KG

Any time.

LD

Only in self defense, of my person or other in the group.

Taking a life, is not something to look forward to and is even less pleseant to look back on and it changes you totally, and while the outside world may not notice the difference, mostly because they don't care to look, you are changed and you find that a little part of you has died along with the life taken and it doesn't matter if it was in the heat of the moment or coldly and deliberately, you are diminished because of it.

Thank whatever diety, you hold dear, if the matter of taking a life remains no more than a esoteric discussion, because reality is cold and hard.

Maltese Falcon,

Very well said. Thank you for that post.

LD

If anybody bothered to check with an old Zimbabwe hand, they'd find out that the ranch owners who shot and killed poachers over the last couple of years or treated their help like shit were the ones killed by the "war vets" while the ranchers/farmers who where somewhat decent still have their lives ( for the most part ) and in some cases, still own their property.

case by case basis...i would like to interigate them to see if they were doing it out of desperation rather than greed. unfortunately jails are expensive and bullets are cheep. almost as cheeply viewed as a poor african so the govt would rather shoot them than jail them. this reminds me of when europe was running out of good trees in the middle ages for building...if you were caught cutting one down...death. the same for stealing a horse in the wild west. the real problem is a govt which does not value its people enough to feed them when they have the means internaly or internationaly. i say shoot the blackmarketeers and the poachers will have to find another way. but we do live in a broken world dont we...

so to answer the question, the whole plank and speck proverb comes to mind and yes in self defense

camo gari like i give a flying fuck what you think piss off little man.

go back to trolling the politcal forum.....


why is it that when a person has the phyical abilitys to do something that someone else cant you get some jelouse he bitch cummin outta the wood work.

and just for your information im now 5'9 225 pounds with 19 1/2" arms my chest is over 53" round and thighs 30" im now benching clear over 400 pounds and sqating just as much.


when you can do any of this come back and see me.


and as far as im consered if hes breaking the law in that contry and the penelty for that crime is death than so be it.

If you catch an armed poacher and he makes a move to point his weapon at you then I can see things happening before you even know it. Other than that I can´t imagine anyone even considering it. What a disgrace.

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Originally posted by Kamo Gari:

quote:

Originally posted by 700 nitro:
if its legal....and i get paid a bounty hell yeah...............

I'm touched by your humanity. Pity neither your 'death-to-them-all' war cry nor your 700 nitro will make your dick any bigger, eh?

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Originally posted by 700 nitro:
camo gari like i give a flying fuck what you think piss off little man.

go back to trolling the politcal forum.....


why is it that when a person has the phyical abilitys to do something that someone else cant you get some jelouse he bitch cummin outta the wood work.

and just for your information im now 5'9 225 pounds with 19 1/2" arms my chest is over 53" round and thighs 30" im now benching clear over 400 pounds and sqating just as much.


when you can do any of this come back and see me.


and as far as im consered if hes breaking the law in that contry and the penelty for that crime is death than so be it.

So does all this muscle make your Dick bigger?

You would kill a person for trying to survive in a place where you wouldn't last a week without a half dozen wet nurses?

Maybe if you were taller.

most of you would waiver if you had another human in your scope. Unless trained in the military or law enforcement, I think most would find actually pulling the trigger very difficult. To say it here in a forum is cheap talk and really, IMO, human life is prescious and to post as if it is less, is irresponsible.

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Originally posted by 700 nitro:
camo gari like i give a flying fuck what you think piss off little man.

go back to trolling the politcal forum.....


why is it that when a person has the phyical abilitys to do something that someone else cant you get some jelouse he bitch cummin outta the wood work.

and just for your information im now 5'9 225 pounds with 19 1/2" arms my chest is over 53" round and thighs 30" im now benching clear over 400 pounds and sqating just as much.


when you can do any of this come back and see me.


and as far as im consered if hes breaking the law in that contry and the penelty for that crime is death than so be it.

Thanks for proving my point with your response. You're a little man in so many ways.

But then you knew that.

KG

You know the assholes that won't leave you alone at the range, brag about their guns and talk shit all day with each other about how tough they are, and how much they know about everything? Sounds like we have a few here!
What a stupid post. Be real now, if someone is trying to kill you, you will shoot back. End of story. If you kill some poor bastard who is trying to put meat on his table, you are an absolute fucking discrace who deserves to die in their prison.
To all you tough guy's who think it's cool to shoot somebody, all I can say to you is this, I hope that you never have to experience it because it's horrible to see a human being die right in front of you, looking you in the eye as the life leaves their body....and knowing justified or not, that you are the guy that did it to him. Devistating feeling.

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Originally posted by Mickey1:

quote:

Originally posted by Kamo Gari:

quote:

Originally posted by 700 nitro:
if its legal....and i get paid a bounty hell yeah...............

I'm touched by your humanity. Pity neither your 'death-to-them-all' war cry nor your 700 nitro will make your dick any bigger, eh?

quote:

Originally posted by 700 nitro:
camo gari like i give a flying fuck what you think piss off little man.

go back to trolling the politcal forum.....


why is it that when a person has the phyical abilitys to do something that someone else cant you get some jelouse he bitch cummin outta the wood work.

and just for your information im now 5'9 225 pounds with 19 1/2" arms my chest is over 53" round and thighs 30" im now benching clear over 400 pounds and sqating just as much.


when you can do any of this come back and see me.


and as far as im consered if hes breaking the law in that contry and the penelty for that crime is death than so be it.

So does all this muscle make your Dick bigger?

You would kill a person for trying to survive in a place where you wouldn't last a week without a half dozen wet nurses?

Maybe if you were taller.

Mickey,

I though anabolic steroids made ones dick and balls smaller?

And I have found that it's often the little guys who suprise you when the going gets tough, while the pumped up ones breakdown...

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Originally posted by Kamo Gari:
I see. And here silly me thought it was simply a matter of waiting until the PH fired first, then follwing suit. Now where might I have read that? Very noble tactic, BTW: wait until someone else takes the risk, then join in! What's that called? Not-so-scary seconds?

It's not a matter of "not so scary" and it certainly shouldn't be a matter of trying to be noble. It's really a matter of "I'm on F*&KING VACATION on the other side of the planet and don't really want to find myself in a third world prison. Therefore I'm only gonna shoot when it becomes a matter of self defense as deemed necessary by someone with a more sophisticated knowledge of local laws and circumstances."

JMHO,

John

It's all well and good, for people from the safe comfort of home to talk about waving thier little tin dickies around and prophesize death destruction and mayhem and crow about the ability to pull the trigger....

Let me tell you when you step up to the abyss and look in, sometimes the abyss looks back and to take that step, that puts you in a place where very few people ever go and no one should want to go, sets you apart and hopefully, you have the support to help you come to terms with what you have done and to deal with the realisation of exactly what you are capable of, because it is cold comfort to rely on it was him or me.

Sorry, if I sound a tad upset, but THINK very very hard about it, life is precious and death is forever and it's not clean and cold and sanitary, it's up close personal and very dirty, like nothing most people will ever experience.

You should count your blessings and be thankful to never experience it and if you go looking for it,...then you are...INSANE, STUPID...

Be they 800 yards away or 6 feet away, or close enough to smell thier breath and see the life fade out of the eyes, or see the puff of dust off the jacket as the bullet slams home, to have the time to realise this person you are looking at thru a scope or as the gun comes into position may look like your uncle george or the guy at work, it's not a pleasent or joyful occasion and be it duty or survival, it still takes abit of your soul and leaves you diminished.

That's all I have to say.

You'll have to ask him, but I beleive Craig Boddington had this happen to him in Tanzania, and some poachers got buried.

I don't remember the details, it's in that lion book.

M. Falcon and others.

You and you "diminished soul" ramblings are getting old and annoying. If someone tries to kill me or those entrusted to me, they die, and I move on with life. I have never lost a second of sleep over it. Methinks you have been reading too many novels. I find it best for tiresome little people like you to personalize the question. If you walked into a room and saw your son/daughter being gang raped would you suffer all your diminished soul whining and moaning if you killed the perpetrators? Grow up.

Easy there, killer.

Since you apparently need a litte refresher: this thread wasn't about defending against a fiend sodomizing your kids in your spare bedroom. It was about shooting a poacher in the bush, or not, remember? Just slightly different scenarios, wouldn't you say?

Out of pure curiosity, just how many people have you slain? I'm sure at least some of the posters here have, and of those, few glorify it in the way some of the internet warriors here do.

So, which are you, poseur or stone killer?

eric in case you didnt know with proper training a diet its quite easy for a normal human to attain my size with out anny hormon replacement.....


im in a competition tear system where i am tested for drugs every 4 monthes. wich means it would be phyicaly immposssible for me to past any drug test if i were on.



i have a diffent point of view than you guys thats quite appearent......why must people always attake others.


and ps anabolic steriods dont shrink your dick......after extended use 15-22 wekks testosterone a small amount of atrophy might appear cause natuarl test has been supressed ...............if accillary drugs like hcg were to be used to bring natural test back into production you get a very small amount of testicual atophy and your boys will attain normal size within weeks of coming off

if short anabolic cycle were to be admistered then there would be no worry of any testicular atophy.



if i some how affended you gari.....well oh well thats how i feel every one can have there owen thoughts but there was absolutly no need to attak me. wich by the way was very childish.

When I hunted in Chete in August of '89 .. the morning we arrived they had killed two poachers ,, and the third .. leaking oil and running for his life .. was their comment on the wing shot fellow. (As far as I ever heard he did escape) .. Anyways, these guys were coming over from Zambia and killing off all of the black rhino (the ranger's building was completely encircled with rhino heads ... minus the horns) and eles. We talked to the soldier who had killed the men and asked him what he thought of that ? .. 'He said that he was 'chuffed' .. that he enjoyed it very much .. (Machine gun .. aiming low as he started to fire .. as gun goes up the men go down .. we were told) Anyways .. this was quite a day for the Canadians .. Later we were told that if we saw a poacher we could shoot them and they would give us a '$1,000' ... I certainly wanted nothing at all to do with firefights with armed poachers .. I do tell people that I was looking for a poacher on the other side of a valley armed with a spear ... My wife did hear some people talking on one of our long walks and poachers tracks were found near a 'creek' .. after that an armed game scout came with us .. the trackers who found the tracks were very upset that the guys were around .. (i.e. fear) Like most folks, I reckon, I would not willingly let someone kill me .. if they started shooting at me I would try to survive the attack ... (by shooting back ..) But if someone was shooting at me .. I might not get the opportunity to defend myself, obviously.I no more would whack some poor guy snaring a guinea fowl to eat than I would vote Liberal in Canada or kiss a lonely skunk.

For those of you who would just outright kill a poacher if it wasn't in self-defense. You obvioulsy have nor morals what-so-ever. He may not be as wealthy as you, but that is not how a man is judged anyway. If he is not that type who would kill you then in God's eyes his life is just as valuable as yours not matter how much material things he owns.

I have been in combat in Iraq and seeing someone get killed even someone that you have never saw in your life is a very unpleasant sight. Even worse is when you see one get killed in front of you that is your friend.
The only way I would kill anyone is in Self-Defense period. In case some of you have forgotten about these. Here is somehting you might should read, and for this thread pay extra special attention to #6.

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

2.Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.

3.Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.

4.Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.

5.Honor thy father and they mother.

6. Thou shalt not kill.

7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.

8. Thou shalt not steal.

9. Thous shalt not bear false witness aganinst thy neighbor.

10. Thou shalt not covet.