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I am glad to see this topic has returned as I believe the SCI Executive Board has imposed a political decision in the hopes that it is perceived as something else. Any type of expulsion or limitation to SCI membership should not occur without transparency and due process. I have spoken up for Mark on AR regarding this topic and directly with SCI as well. I consider Mark a friend, but with that being said, SCI owes him and the membership a detailed explanation or should allow him to return immediately with full privileges at the convention. I look forward to Mark’s decision to join the AR forum and allowing more to learn about this topic. I also hope this will motivate SCI members to call and write SCI to respectfully request this issue is addressed fully and openly with Mark and the SCI membership. Shawn Joyce Diizche Safari Adventures P.O. Box 1445 Lincoln, CA 95648 E-mail: shawn.joyce@diizchesafariadventures.net Cell: (916) 804-3318 Shoot Straight, Live the Dream, and Keep Turning the Pages to Your Next Adventure!™ Website- www.DiizcheSafariAdventures.com Blog- http://diizchesafari.blogspot.com/ Twitter- http://twitter.com/DiizcheSafari YouTube- http://www.youtube.com/user/shawncjoyce Facebook- http://on.fb.me/gYytdn Instagram: diizchesafari_official | |||
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Why? There has been a lot more important things SCI was up to we wanted to get to the bottom of. How come this has taken precedence over others? Regardless how important this is, it pales into insignificance when compared with what we have been asking before. I am not holding my breath of getting any sense out of the SCI management, let alone their so called "ethics" committee. Who by the sound of it does not even know what the word means. | |||
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I bought a Mark Sullivan video back when I was a teenager and didn't know who he was. yes the video has a couple charges in it. Of course before the charge instead of just finishing the animals off he has to stand in from of the camera and give his spill about letting the animal choose how it wants to die and all that. The video would be good to use as firewood "Science only goes so far then God takes over." | |||
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Rich I answered your question right below the post where you asked it! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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I just got off the phone with Mark Sullivan and he explained to me that he has registered to be a member of this site(accurate reloading),he will be registered using his name(mark sullivan),he also explained to me(capebuf)that he will answer any questions that people want to ask him and also the BS that people have made up about him,he will be posting by tomorrow.Mark welcome aboard glad to have you........... | |||
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Larry, If you or someone posts contact info for the correct person to whom correspondance should be sent, I will be among those writing to demand an explanation. Unfortunately, though noble I think the effort will be unrewarding. Those who make the rules rarely believe the rules apply to them. We see it in all walks of life. My father, a longshoreman and far smarter man than I, often says of these people: "Money talks, bullshit walks." Translation: for some, only a substantial hit to the wallet has any impact on their behavior. I hope he is wrong on this one - but I doubt it. NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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I for one will welcome MS to the AR forum and believe he has a lot he can add to it. I also believe he will be candid and forthright as there is nothing to be gained and much to be lost if he were deceptive. Unlike OOA, I've never heard anyone who actually hunted with Mark say anything negative about their experience, and in fact are quite supportive of his skill and ability. The American sense of justice and fair play has been trampled upon by SCIs actions re:MS. This has resulted in a backlash in support of Mark and against SCI. This is as it should be. Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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This sure is a weird day, I am agreeing with Lionhunter.  | |||
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There you go, AR can bring together anyone. Glad we are of the same mind on this one, John.  Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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With all this MS talk, I've got a hankering to sit down and watch ALL his movies.. Any of you detractors own the complete set of DVD's and want to get rid of them?? Let me know. I'd like to buy them. I had 4 or 5 of them from years ago, but they were on VHS tape..haven't seen the last few from the last 8-9 years or so.. | |||
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Something to think about.... I have NEVER heard a SINGLE bad work from anyone that has ACTUALLY hunted with him... DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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i have often been a detractor of MS here for various reasons, but i feel he got the shaft there( ESPECIALLY WHEN FORMER PRESIDENT MIKE SIMPSON ADMITTED TO SHOOTING GAME FROM A CHOPPER AND ETHICAL ISSUES WERE NOT RAISED).this really pisses me off to the extent that i am seriously considering cancelling my membership and attending the DSC convention instead. i may not agree with someone's hunting tactics but i sure as hell think they deserve a fair hearing before their accusers- everyone knows the SCI Executive Board is the epitome of the "good ole boys" club. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Excellent. I look forward to MS telling his side of the story. STAY IN THE FIGHT! | |||
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There must have been "divine intervention".  | |||
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great to hear of a teen interested in african hunting..
I think you meant schpeel, right? opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Saeed, no one in our justice system understands those word any more either. | |||
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Mark Sullivan is Chinese? SCI Life Member DSC Life Member | |||
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Anyone know if Mark Sullivan is banned from Dallas Safari Club? This is so simple to correct...support Dallas Safari Club and not SCI. Visit Mark Sullivan's booth in Dallas. Tell Sullivan how you really feel about him, shake his hand and book a hunt with anyone you want in Africa. Let the free market determine the fate of Mark Sullivan...and SCI! | |||
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Paul is right. I will go to Dallas this winter and if SCI adjusts its secrecy policy, I will go to Reno also. If not, Dallas will do. ...I say that hunters go into Paradise when they die, and live in this world more joyfully than any other men. -Edward, duke of York ". . . when a man has shot an elephant his life is full." ~John Alfred Jordan "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." Cicero - 55 BC "The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." - Ayn Rand Cogito ergo venor- KPete “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages.” ― Adam Smith - “Wealth of Nations” | |||
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Me neither. I have met MS only once and he was quite decent. We have mutual friends, who also are PH's, and I respect their opinions of him greatly. Any time he was spoken of, it was in a positive light. That's good enough for me. "What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value." -Thomas Paine, "American Crisis" | |||
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Regarding Mr. Sullivan joining AR to answer questions: If I were you Mark, I wouldn't bother. What, at one time, was an enjoyable daily visit to AR too soon became more irritating than tsetse bites on your ankles. Now, I go months without logging on revisiting only to find more flaming, personal attacks, self-proclaimed "experts" criticizing another man's trophies and vulgarity. While you, Mr. Sullivan, may need SCI from a business standpoint, you certainly don't need the abuse I expect will be heaped on you by your detractors on AR. SCI isn't the only place lacking ethics. Good luck and good hunting. Dave Payne Llano, CA "What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value." -Thomas Paine, "American Crisis" | |||
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As an SCI member, I find the board's actions toward Mr. Sullivan to be very high handed. What I find very humourous is in the past at an annual sportsman's show here in Pittsburgh the local chapter of SCI would have Mark Sullivan videos playing non stop as tickets and memberships were being sold. There are some very high ranking SCI members in this local chapter. I guess Mark Sullivan can help sell tickets but can't go to the big dance. It is too bad Allen Day has passed. He was a regular with Sullivan and a no nonsense kind of guy. I wish he were still alive to comment on some of the cheap shot comments being posted. I'm still waiting for the first person who hunted with him to step forward negatively. | |||
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We've missed you Dave... Rich DRSS | |||
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He ain't here yet... Has anybody here besides me come to the notion that he is giving us the same treatment that he alleges SCI has given him? This is his place to make his case. Use it... Rich DRSS | |||
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Idaho what if people made up things about you and how you hunt,and people asked you to prove youself and you know that what they are saying is not true. | |||
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Rich - As stated already, Mark leaves for Tanzania tomorrow. I have talked to him several times, via email over the past couple days. Hopefully when he returns, he will post for all AR members to see. I am certain he is not avoiding you, or others, but simply trying to prepare for his upcoming safaris. | |||
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If he has time to Email you more than once, he has time to post here with that same information. Tell him when he sits down to take a dump this evening, to use his laptop... Rich DRSS | |||
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If you're speaking from personal experience that might explain a lot about your posts ... Kim Merkel Double .470 NE Whitworth Express .375 H&H Griffin & Howe .275 Rigby Winchester M70 (pre-64) .30-06 & .270 "Cogito ergo venor" René Descartes on African Safari | |||
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Oh, the humanity.. | |||
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 I'd be rolling on the ground if my computer chair didn't have sides!!! Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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He is not going to post here. Try and shift the focus of the thread onto me as you might, he isn't going to be here. Rich DRSS | |||
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Idaho: Have you read the post of the guy who, "...is not going to post here?" As this seems to be your forum, I look forward to your comments on Mark's letter. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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I fear Napoleon may have arrived at his Waterloo. | |||
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I stand corrected on two points. I have sent a letter encouraging SCI to handle this matter in public. My earlier comments were entirely based on Mark Sullivan's video content and lack of input. I am satisfied with his post. Still don't care for his style. regards, Rich DRSS killing my own game, since 1956. | |||
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That is a gracious response Rich. Emotions run high sometimes, I've done it, everyone's done it. While accepting my apology Craig Boddington told me that computers are a funny thing and that it's easy to hit enter when you maybe shouldn't, said he's even done it. No worries.  | |||
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It really makes no difference how any of us disagrees with how Mark Sullivan hunts. SCI, being an orgenization which supposed to belong to its members, has absolutely no grounds to ban him from exhibiting without giving him full reasons of their decisions. I have had an email saying that SCI has asked Mark to stop showing his videos on the show several times previous, and apparently he did not listen, despite being warned several times. The same message also said SCI has asked several exhibitors to not display "gory" hunting photos. I really have no idea what they mean in this instance, as any hunting photos can be classified as "gory" by at least some individuals. Are we going to be blackmailed by the PETA mentality and stop showing hunting photos and videos? SCI has been accused being run like a tin pot dictatorhsip. And, sadly, it seems this description does fits. | |||
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Excellent point. The anti-hunters are going to hate us regardless of what we do, we must not let them define us as hunters. | |||
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I asked SCI if the members owned it. The answer was an emphatic "NO". You guys have all mixed up organization with association. It's a privately held company, and we are not stockholders. Rich DRSS | |||
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