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Mark Sullivan and SCI Update
04 August 2010, 22:33
ExpressYourselfMark Sullivan and SCI Update
I am glad to see this topic has returned as I believe the SCI Executive Board has imposed a political decision in the hopes that it is perceived as something else. Any type of expulsion or limitation to SCI membership should not occur without transparency and due process.
I have spoken up for Mark on AR regarding this topic and directly with SCI as well. I consider Mark a friend, but with that being said, SCI owes him and the membership a detailed explanation or should allow him to return immediately with full privileges at the convention.
I look forward to Mark’s decision to join the AR forum and allowing more to learn about this topic. I also hope this will motivate SCI members to call and write SCI to respectfully request this issue is addressed fully and openly with Mark and the SCI membership.
04 August 2010, 22:34
Saeedquote:
I know a lot of you can name many more, but let's get to the bottom of this one first?
Why?
There has been a lot more important things SCI was up to we wanted to get to the bottom of.
How come this has taken precedence over others?
Regardless how important this is, it pales into insignificance when compared with what we have been asking before.
I am not holding my breath of getting any sense out of the SCI management, let alone their so called "ethics" committee. Who by the sound of it does not even know what the word means.
04 August 2010, 22:48
JarrodI bought a Mark Sullivan video back when I was a teenager and didn't know who he was.
yes the video has a couple charges in it. Of course before the charge instead of just finishing the animals off he has to stand in from of the camera and give his spill about letting the animal choose how it wants to die and all that.
The video would be good to use as firewood
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04 August 2010, 23:07
MacD37quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Nobody has answered the question yet; was MS allowed to exhibit at DSC in 2010?
regards to you all,
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Rich I answered your question right below the post where you asked it!
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05 August 2010, 00:44
capebufI just got off the phone with Mark Sullivan and he explained to me that he has registered to be a member of this site(accurate reloading),he will be registered using his name(mark sullivan),he also explained to me(capebuf)that he will answer any questions that people want to ask him and also the BS that people have made up about him,he will be posting by tomorrow.Mark welcome aboard glad to have you...........
05 August 2010, 01:03
CCMDocquote:
Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
My suggestion is that everyone here who is a member of SCI and anyone else who thinks MS is getting the shaft from SCI, flood the Tucson office with calls or e-mails on this subject. I am out of my office right now but will try to get a name, number or e-mail address of a person, other than the receptionist who will get the full jest of our complaints and concerns. If anyone else can get this info prior to my doing so please post it here please. This elitist Executive Board arrogance and silence to the general membership needs to cease.
I really think if we can raise enough concern down there in Tucson and the Board sees enough input from members something will be done???
It's just like all other things political, we have to make the effort and make the call/calls. Most here know I am an real supporter of SCI, but this is one of the only things in over 12 years of membership than has me concerned about their behavior. I know a lot of you can name many more, but let's get to the bottom of this one first?
Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member
Larry,
If you or someone posts contact info for the correct person to whom correspondance should be sent, I will be among those writing to demand an explanation.
Unfortunately, though noble I think the effort will be unrewarding. Those who make the rules rarely believe the rules apply to them. We see it in all walks of life.
My father, a longshoreman and far smarter man than I, often says of these people:
"Money talks, bullshit walks."
Translation: for some,
only a substantial hit to the wallet has any impact on their behavior.
I hope he is wrong on this one - but I doubt it.
NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003
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05 August 2010, 01:12
LionHunterI for one will welcome MS to the AR forum and believe he has a lot he can add to it. I also believe he will be candid and forthright as there is nothing to be gained and much to be lost if he were deceptive. Unlike OOA, I've never heard anyone who actually hunted with Mark say anything negative about their experience, and in fact are quite supportive of his skill and ability.
The American sense of justice and fair play has been trampled upon by SCIs actions re:MS. This has resulted in a backlash in support of Mark and against SCI. This is as it should be.
Mike
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05 August 2010, 02:33
John Frederickquote:
Originally posted by LionHunter:
I for one will welcome MS to the AR forum and believe he has a lot he can add to it. I also believe he will be candid and forthright as there is nothing to be gained and much to be lost if he were deceptive. Unlike OOA, I've never heard anyone who actually hunted with Mark say anything negative about their experience, and in fact are quite supportive of his skill and ability.
The American sense of justice and fair play has been trampled upon by SCIs actions re:MS. This has resulted in a backlash in support of Mark and against SCI. This is as it should be.
This sure is a weird day, I am agreeing with Lionhunter.
05 August 2010, 04:07
LionHunterThere you go, AR can bring together anyone. Glad we are of the same mind on this one, John.
Mike
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05 August 2010, 04:10
Kamo Gariquote:
Originally posted by capebuf:
I just got off the phone with Mark Sullivan and he explained to me that he has registered to be a member of this site(accurate reloading),he will be registered using his name(mark sullivan),he also explained to me(capebuf)that he will answer any questions that people want to ask him and also the BS that people have made up about him,he will be posting by tomorrow.Mark welcome aboard glad to have you...........
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05 August 2010, 09:59
Equinsu OchaWith all this MS talk, I've got a hankering to sit down and watch ALL his movies..
Any of you detractors own the complete set of DVD's and want to get rid of them?? Let me know. I'd like to buy them.
I had 4 or 5 of them from years ago, but they were on VHS tape..haven't seen the last few from the last 8-9 years or so..
05 August 2010, 10:09
N E 450 No2Something to think about....
I have NEVER heard a SINGLE bad work from anyone that has ACTUALLY hunted with him...
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05 August 2010, 10:16
jdollari have often been a detractor of MS here for various reasons, but i feel he got the shaft there( ESPECIALLY WHEN FORMER PRESIDENT MIKE SIMPSON ADMITTED TO SHOOTING GAME FROM A CHOPPER AND ETHICAL ISSUES WERE NOT RAISED).this really pisses me off to the extent that i am seriously considering cancelling my membership and attending the DSC convention instead. i may not agree with someone's hunting tactics but i sure as hell think they deserve a fair hearing before their accusers- everyone knows the SCI Executive Board is the epitome of the "good ole boys" club.
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05 August 2010, 10:28
GunsCorequote:
Originally posted by capebuf:
I just got off the phone with Mark Sullivan and he explained to me that he has registered to be a member of this site(accurate reloading),he will be registered using his name(mark sullivan),he also explained to me(capebuf)that he will answer any questions that people want to ask him and also the BS that people have made up about him,he will be posting by tomorrow.Mark welcome aboard glad to have you...........
Excellent. I look forward to MS telling his side of the story.
STAY IN THE FIGHT!
05 August 2010, 10:52
John Frederickquote:
Originally posted by LionHunter:
There you go, AR can bring together anyone. Glad we are of the same mind on this one, John.
There must have been "divine intervention".
05 August 2010, 16:54
jeffeossoquote:
Originally posted by Jarrod:
I bought a Mark Sullivan video back when I was a teenager
great to hear of a teen interested in african hunting..
quote:
Originally posted by Jarrod:
he has to stand in from of the camera and give his spill
I think you meant schpeel, right?
05 August 2010, 17:40
ddrhookSaeed,
no one in our justice system understands those word any more either.
05 August 2010, 23:34
Jim Manionquote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Want to feel sorry and outraged by the treatment someone is getting? Save it for the estimated 100,000 people in China who are imprisoned every year ...
Mark Sullivan is Chinese?
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06 August 2010, 00:02
daleWAnyone know if Mark Sullivan is banned from Dallas Safari Club?
This is so simple to correct...support Dallas Safari Club and not SCI. Visit Mark Sullivan's booth in Dallas. Tell Sullivan how you really feel about him, shake his hand and book a hunt with anyone you want in Africa.
Let the free market determine the fate of Mark Sullivan...and SCI!
06 August 2010, 00:21
twoseventyquote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:
quote:
Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
My suggestion is that everyone here who is a member of SCI and anyone else who thinks MS is getting the shaft from SCI, flood the Tucson office with calls or e-mails on this subject. I am out of my office right now but will try to get a name, number or e-mail address of a person, other than the receptionist who will get the full jest of our complaints and concerns. If anyone else can get this info prior to my doing so please post it here please. This elitist Executive Board arrogance and silence to the general membership needs to cease.
I really think if we can raise enough concern down there in Tucson and the Board sees enough input from members something will be done???
It's just like all other things political, we have to make the effort and make the call/calls. Most here know I am an real supporter of SCI, but this is one of the only things in over 12 years of membership than has me concerned about their behavior. I know a lot of you can name many more, but let's get to the bottom of this one first?
Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member
Larry,
If you or someone posts contact info for the correct person to whom correspondance should be sent, I will be among those writing to demand an explanation.
Unfortunately, though noble I think the effort will be unrewarding. Those who make the rules rarely believe the rules apply to them. We see it in all walks of life.
My father, a longshoreman and far smarter man than I, often says of these people:
"Money talks, bullshit walks."
Translation: for some,
only a substantial hit to the wallet has any impact on their behavior.
I hope he is wrong on this one - but I doubt it.
Paul is right. I will go to Dallas this winter and if SCI adjusts its secrecy policy, I will go to Reno also. If not, Dallas will do.
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06 August 2010, 02:01
almostacowboyquote:
Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
Something to think about....
I have NEVER heard a SINGLE bad work from anyone that has ACTUALLY hunted with him...
Me neither. I have met MS only once and he was quite decent. We have mutual friends, who also are PH's, and I respect their opinions of him greatly. Any time he was spoken of, it was in a positive light. That's good enough for me.
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06 August 2010, 02:16
almostacowboyRegarding Mr. Sullivan joining AR to answer questions:
If I were you Mark, I wouldn't bother. What, at one time, was an enjoyable daily visit to AR too soon became more irritating than tsetse bites on your ankles. Now, I go months without logging on revisiting only to find more flaming, personal attacks, self-proclaimed "experts" criticizing another man's trophies and vulgarity.
While you, Mr. Sullivan, may need SCI from a business standpoint, you certainly don't need the abuse I expect will be heaped on you by your detractors on AR. SCI isn't the only place lacking ethics.
Good luck and good hunting.
Dave Payne
Llano, CA
"What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value."
-Thomas Paine, "American Crisis"
As an SCI member, I find the board's actions toward Mr. Sullivan to be very high handed. What I find very humourous is in the past at an annual sportsman's show here in Pittsburgh the local chapter of SCI would have Mark Sullivan videos playing non stop as tickets and memberships were being sold. There are some very high ranking SCI members in this local chapter. I guess Mark Sullivan can help sell tickets but can't go to the big dance.
It is too bad Allen Day has passed. He was a regular with Sullivan and a no nonsense kind of guy. I wish he were still alive to comment on some of the cheap shot comments being posted. I'm still waiting for the first person who hunted with him to step forward negatively.
06 August 2010, 09:38
Idaho SharpshooterWe've missed you Dave...
Rich
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06 August 2010, 21:06
Idaho SharpshooterHe ain't here yet...
Has anybody here besides me come to the notion that he is giving us the same treatment that he alleges SCI has given him? This is his place to make his case. Use it...
Rich
DRSS
07 August 2010, 01:03
capebufIdaho what if people made up things about you and how you hunt,and people asked you to prove youself and you know that what they are saying is not true.
07 August 2010, 01:11
Aaron Neilsonquote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
He ain't here yet...
Has anybody here besides me come to the notion that he is giving us the same treatment that he alleges SCI has given him? This is his place to make his case. Use it...
Rich
DRSS
Rich - As stated already, Mark leaves for Tanzania tomorrow. I have talked to him several times, via email over the past couple days. Hopefully when he returns, he will post for all AR members to see. I am certain he is not avoiding you, or others, but simply trying to prepare for his upcoming safaris.
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www.huntghr.com 07 August 2010, 04:28
Idaho SharpshooterIf he has time to Email you more than once, he has time to post here with that same information.
Tell him when he sits down to take a dump this evening, to use his laptop...
Rich
DRSS
07 August 2010, 04:34
KPetequote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
If he has time to Email you more than once, he has time to post here with that same information.
Tell him when he sits down to take a dump this evening, to use his laptop...
Rich
DRSS
If you're speaking from personal experience that might explain a lot about your posts ...
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07 August 2010, 06:23
Milo Shanghaiquote:
Originally posted by KPete:
quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
If he has time to Email you more than once, he has time to post here with that same information.
Tell him when he sits down to take a dump this evening, to use his laptop...
Rich
DRSS
If you're speaking from personal experience that might explain a lot about your posts ...
Oh, the humanity..
07 August 2010, 06:42
BrettAKSCIquote:
Originally posted by Milo Shanghai:
quote:
Originally posted by KPete:
quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
If he has time to Email you more than once, he has time to post here with that same information.
Tell him when he sits down to take a dump this evening, to use his laptop...
Rich
DRSS
If you're speaking from personal experience that might explain a lot about your posts ...
Oh, the humanity..
I'd be rolling on the ground if my computer chair didn't have sides!!!
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07 August 2010, 07:25
Idaho SharpshooterHe is not going to post here. Try and shift the focus of the thread onto me as you might, he isn't going to be here.
Rich
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07 August 2010, 08:53
cal pappasIdaho: Have you read the post of the guy who, "...is not going to post here?"
As this seems to be your forum, I look forward to your comments on Mark's letter.
Cal
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07 August 2010, 08:54
Cane Ratquote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
Idaho: Have you read the post of the guy who, "...is not going to post here?"
As this seems to be your forum, I look forward to your comments on Mark's letter.
Cal
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07 August 2010, 09:33
Idaho SharpshooterI stand corrected on two points.
I have sent a letter encouraging SCI to handle this matter in public.
My earlier comments were entirely based on Mark Sullivan's video content and lack of input.
I am satisfied with his post. Still don't care for his style.
regards,
Rich
DRSS
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07 August 2010, 09:49
Cane Ratquote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I stand corrected on two points.
I have sent a letter encouraging SCI to handle this matter in public.
My earlier comments were entirely based on Mark Sullivan's video content and lack of input.
I am satisfied with his post. Still don't care for his style.
regards,
Rich
DRSS
killing my own game, since 1956.
That is a gracious response Rich.
Emotions run high sometimes, I've done it, everyone's done it. While accepting my apology Craig Boddington told me that computers are a funny thing and that it's easy to hit enter when you maybe shouldn't, said he's even done it. No worries.
07 August 2010, 11:00
SaeedIt really makes no difference how any of us disagrees with how Mark Sullivan hunts.
SCI, being an orgenization which supposed to belong to its members, has absolutely no grounds to ban him from exhibiting without giving him full reasons of their decisions.
I have had an email saying that SCI has asked Mark to stop showing his videos on the show several times previous, and apparently he did not listen, despite being warned several times.
The same message also said SCI has asked several exhibitors to not display "gory" hunting photos.
I really have no idea what they mean in this instance, as any hunting photos can be classified as "gory" by at least some individuals.
Are we going to be blackmailed by the PETA mentality and stop showing hunting photos and videos?
SCI has been accused being run like a tin pot dictatorhsip. And, sadly, it seems this description does fits.
07 August 2010, 11:13
Cane Ratquote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
It really makes no difference how any of us disagrees with how Mark Sullivan hunts.
SCI, being an orgenization which supposed to belong to its members, has absolutely no grounds to ban him from exhibiting without giving him full reasons of their decisions.
I have had an email saying that SCI has asked Mark to stop showing his videos on the show several times previous, and apparently he did not listen, despite being warned several times.
The same message also said SCI has asked several exhibitors to not display "gory" hunting photos.
I really have no idea what they mean in this instance, as any hunting photos can be classified as "gory" by at least some individuals.
Are we going to be blackmailed by the PETA mentality and stop showing hunting photos and videos?
SCI has been accused being run like a tin pot dictatorhsip. And, sadly, it seems this description does fits.
Excellent point. The anti-hunters are going to hate us regardless of what we do, we must not let them define us as hunters.
07 August 2010, 11:55
Idaho SharpshooterI asked SCI if the members owned it. The answer was an emphatic "NO". You guys have all mixed up organization with association. It's a privately held company, and we are not stockholders.
Rich
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