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using factory ammo, which is the best choice for buffalo? 1.) 458 Win Mag or 416 rigby 2.) 458 Win Mag, 416 rigby or 470 NE Please, I know many of you would take the 458 Lott over anything, but I'm only interested in these 3 calibers. Please stick to them. TerryR | ||
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I think bullet choice is more important than caliber. 416 Swift A-frame "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." Sir Winston Churchill | |||
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All three have very good factory ammo available and all three are proven performers on buffalo. I prefer the 416 Rigby to the 458 Win Mag, and I like bolt guns so the 470 isn't on my list. That said, I'd be happy to use any of the three in a suitable rifle. Top Predator makes a very good point. ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
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I agree with ForestB. The most important for me is: Use the rifle you can shoot without flinching. Make sure your first shot counts. It is better to place a good shot with a small caliber, than a bad shot with a big caliber. Life is how you spend the time between hunting trips. Through Responsible Sustainable hunting we serve Conservation. Outfitter permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/73984 PH permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/81197 Jaco Human SA Hunting Experience jacohu@mweb.co.za www.sahuntexp.com | |||
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If you were my client I would prefer you bring- the rifle you shoot best. If you are equally comfortable with all, then I would prefer the .416 preferably with a good low powered scope | |||
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DITTO ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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416 with Swift A-Frames , WOODLEIGH solids and low powered scope. ozhunter | |||
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Being a double rifle user it would have to be the .470. However, that said, for most people I would vote the .416 and a low power scope. I have used all three and any of them will do fine. | |||
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I can work equaly well with both bolt, and double rifle, but I prefer a double for Buffalo, so my first choice would have to be the 470NE. However, if I had to choose between the other two, it would be the 416 Rigby, over the 458 WM! I also agree with the bullets choice of Swift A-frame, and North Fork solids, or if one bullet were to be used, it would then be the NF cup point solids in the 416 Rigby. In the 470NE I would go with the NF cup point solids, exclusively. Both rifles would be fitted with a low powered varible scope with quality QD rings, and bases! The 458 WM is a good cartridge, if the loader is carefull, and though I don't use factory ammo in anything, I think Federal would be my brand, in the 470NE, and 416Rigby, and I wouldn't use any factory in a 458 WM! If I used a 458 WM at all, it would be with very carefully loaded handloads, probably with NF cup points! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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The rifle you own for some time and shoot often PRIOR to going to hunt buff. That said, Jaco and the gang have it pegged. I personally took a 470 double. But, that being said, if you are ONLY hunting buff, any of the calibers are good...the 458 seems loaded a bit anemic in factory loads, however. If PG are or may be on your list, the Rigby shoots flatter and with 300/350 grain bullets would be ideal. Just remember to shoot each load MANY TIMES so you know and are familiar with POI and the DIFFERENT POI for the 400 gr buff bullets and the 300/350 gr PG bullets. There's my rambling....GOOD LUCK. The purchase of a new big bore is an exciting thing.......... Gary | |||
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Terry, I'll be the odd ball vote here because I like the 458 Win. Mag. Actually I don't disagree with anything the above posters have said. Ballisically on big game and you spoke of buffalo all 3 calibers you mentioned should be more than adequate so that really is not much of an issue. The rifle itself is an issue and a 458 can be had in a handier package that a 416 Rigby which needs a true magnum action and just a physically larger and heavier rifle. The 470 is a double rifle and in my opinion not very practical for the average buffalo hunter for a number of reasons which have been discussed here many times. So I vote for the 458. It's a handier more portabe package, can be built on any 30-06 length action, loaded ammo and components are readily available and cheap compared to the 416 and 470. I think its only drawback which is not a factor at present day is it has no nostalgia value and in the past it had some bad factory loadings that have tainted its reputation until this day. The 458 in my mind is a much more practical alternetive than either the 416 Rigby or 470 NE. Put your money in trophy fees and leave the spendie nostalgia inducing rifles for someone else. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Handier? That sounds like Ray Atkinson talk! Yes it is true it can be handier but how many guys are make themselves a 7.5 lb. 458, which is all it needs to be? Anyway, I like the 458. Any of his possibilities are fine, but the 470. Shooting buff with an unscoped 470 is just asking for trouble if the buff is further away than spitting distance. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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I would base my decision on whether or not I was hunting for a true trophy animal or just wanted the thrill of hunting any adult bull. If I was a dedicated trophy hunter I would go with a scoped 416. Your dream bull may be 125 yards away on the other side of a herd and you may only have a small window between other animals in the herd to take the shot. I therefore would prepare for the worse case scenario. If I just wanted to hunt a bull then an open sighted 458 or 470 double would be my choice. Something magical about carrying a big bore double in the jesse. 465H&H | |||
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Yesterday I saw a very nice .458 Win. It was built on a Checkezlovakian Mauser. It has a 22" tube in a very well done synthetic stock. It was topped with a 2.5X scope with Q.R. bases and a pop up aperture sight which sat under the rear scope ring. The whole thing probably weighed in at about 8-9 lbs and shot very well. If were to have a .458 Win that would be it. I am wondering however, how an iron sighted double in .470 NE is inferior to any other iron sighted heavy rifle? This sounds like a bad case of someone projecting their inadequacy as a rifleman onto the world at large. As a matter of fact if one were to check the stats. The highest number of wounded, non recovered and troubles are caused by hunters shooting scoped .375 H&H’s. Gee I wonder why? Could it be that there are more of those rigs going over every year by a factor at least 10? I am not saying you should go out and buy a .470. But if you do and you practice with it. This rifle is just as good as anything else available and better in some circumstances. | |||
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Will, "Ray Atkinson talk" You really know how to wound a guy. Handy? My 458 is just a Mark X barrelled action in a McMillan stock. With a 1x4 scope it weights 8.75lb and with its 20" barrel it seems to be about right and very "handy". It may start a shit storm but I could not agree with you more on the 470. I see a big double as a PH back up rifle or a rifle for a disciplined experienced hunter that will not take anything but a very close range shot. The average buffalo hunter is on a short safari and to limit your opportunities and budget with a double seems silly to me. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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416 - Swift A-Frames. I like Marks thinking regarding the 470. Good competent gun, but not as useful as a good 416. That 416 is a great all around DG and plainsgame gun, It can shoot accurately as far as 95% of the shooters are able to anyway. It is nice to have a DG gun that can accurately exceed your usable range. After all, follow up shots can be long. It is nice to be able to make one in a pinch if need be. The 416 is able to do this with no problem at all. While most like to believe that you will stalk up to a Buffalo at 50 yards and make a perfect shot, I believe some who have hunted quite a few would disagree. Sometimes a 100 yard shot is what is presented. I would rather not be handicapped by having to use a double on a longer shot. (because everyone knows to put a scope on a double is akin to stocking it with a synthetic stock ... right?) | |||
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You should take whatever rifle you are more comfortable with. Just make sure you use premium bullets, and hit them right the first time. They would never know the difference, and you will be amazed at how easy it is to kill buffalo. All this talk of them being "bullet proof" is a load of rubbish - unless, of course, you screw up your first shot. Then all bets are off. At my age I cannot shoot worth a damn with open sights, so a scope is a must. Which can come in handy if the first shot does not do the buffalo in. You can easily brain him before he decides to come even the score. | |||
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Will, Thanks for the info Will, I had my doubts but now I know for sure, Mark Young and Ray are the same person, or maybe they're brothers? Jerry Huffaker State, National and World Champion Taxidermist | |||
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Where will you be hunting? Looking at Saeed's videos he seems to be shooting at pretty long ranges, best with a scoped bolt action I would think. For the "thick stuff" and I have seen some other videos from this forum, where they have this, I would think a double rifle would be best. Just my thoughts, never having been there done that! Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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I like the 458 Win for the reasons Mark gave. Steve "He wins the most, who honour saves. Success is not the test." Ryan "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Stalin Tanzania 06 Argentina08 Argentina Australia06 Argentina 07 Namibia Arnhemland10 Belize2011 Moz04 Moz 09 | |||
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Both sound a little like RAY to me!, but Wendell sounds like a blood brother, with that "IT's A SIN to SCOPE A DOUBLE" statement!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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Dear Mr.Huff-Acher, Your comments on my supposed dual personality and or siblings brings two words to mind that I'd like to share with. One begins with F the other with Y. Don't ponder the puzzle too long. It's not that dificult even for a Texan. Kind Regards, Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Duely noted Mark, but you better be nice to me or I'll tell everyone about the funny noises you make when you are moose hunting  Jerry Huffaker State, National and World Champion Taxidermist | |||
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I agree wholeheartedly with the posters who say the 470 limits your range...I took my buff that way, but WAS handicapped in the fact that I limited myself to 100 yds MAX.....and yes, I practiced a lot. As a matter of fact, I passed on a bull at about 150 paces because I would not shoot with the 470 at that range. I still say that the 416 is the MOST VERSATILE of the calibers you list. You have quite a variety of opinions to digest....good luck. Gary | |||
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I'm leaning towards the 416. On my last, and only, Buffalo hunt I used a scoped 375 at 80 yds. It worked. I'm switching because I inhereted both a 416 rigby (Ruger) and a 470 (Krieghoff}. I included the 458 because I took a couple of shots with my PH's and it felt comfortable. As I said I'm leaning towards the 416 because I have it and I just feel more comfortable with a bolt. I've used a double and have had good results, but I just feel better with the bolt. I guess it's because I've had much more experience with it. TerryR | |||
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I have not shot buff yet but I like the .416 Rigby with woodleigh soft and solids out of the calibers you mention. | |||
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AR Clan, You would have trouble beating the .458 with A-Square ammo(Triad) solids, dt soft point, and lion load. They give you distance and perform on most everything you may come upon. They all three at 465 grain shoot to the same point of aim through my variable low power Leupold scope. I made one shot kills on many DG animals recently in Lolkisale. Robert | |||
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Just take whatever rifle that you shoot well and feel comfortable with. And preferably a rifle that is cool in safari camp, such as a double or a custom bolt gun assmebled in the finest of Mauser sporter style, such as the model B.  | |||
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You know I'd never anything up!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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If my preference was a double I would choose the .470 out of your list. If my preferred rifle type was a bolt action, the .416. From the choices of your selection. | |||
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