Had a look at Greg's offer for a cull in Zimbabwe and basically for a low daily rate you get to shoot a bunch of shit.

Nothing wrong with that and some years ago I offered the same here in Zambia on a number of overstocked game farms.

It ain't hunting and I dropped the lucrative business because it was little more than shooting, and I felt that I had lost my way a bit, lost the hunt aspect and respect for the game and was also very embarrassed to call this a safari. It was frantic.

However I was fully booked and those who culled did it for their own reasons and seemed to enjoy it. Again nothing wrong with that.

When I hunt for myself nowadays I do not hunt more than one animal. I rarely choose Buffalo and more go for the difficult species that require a bit of a hike and the odd night in the bush. If I come home empty handed then so be it, I have hunted.

The bushbuck for example is a delight to hunt especially in thorn and thicket along a sandy river bank. Amongst the occasional snotty herd of elephant.

Not sure where this is going but maybe something like more is not better.

Thanks?

In all seriousness - I think that the "shoot" is something people are going to do for their own personal reasons. Obviously it's not a tough hunt, if it was you wouldn't be shooting over 100 animals, but I think it's a way for someone to get into Africa and learn to get rid of any anticipation of the shot. You can shoot targets all day long, but it's not the same as shooting the real thing.

Is it something guys will want to do over and over? Maybe, maybe not. I think it's comparable to dove in Argentina where guys can shoot 4000 doves in a day. Some guys can't wait to come back, and some say "that was fun, but I think I'll do something else next time".

for many that is called trophy hunting. the hunt for a particular animal, turning down the easy, maybe going home empty, knowing that is a part of it.

Two sides to this coin.

On the one hand culling is precisely that, shooting as many as possible with as little meat damage as possible. To do that effectively one needs a rifle, truck and some gas.

Hunting is something else and though a little nebulous and different things to different men, seems to mean what the French rather evocatively "la Chasse" or the chase, hunt, risk whatever you want to call it, to all true sportsmen.

This is not to say that those go on cull hunts are not sportsmen, rather that they appreciate a different spice served with their meat than for example Andrew would prefer.
On my PG cull hunt last year the PH and ranch owner strapped a seat to the back of the bakkie and said "off we go" within minutes of arriving. We had to explain later to them that we would prefer stalking but then it wasn't a high number shoot in the first place.

Tried it, didn't like it, won't fly 6000miles to do it again.

But, at least I can now comment from a position of knowledge.

An old, heavily out of shape or sick man may disagree, that is of course his prerogative.

Probably be even more fun with nightvision gear from a helecoptor. Personally I'm not ready for that leap.

Greg, I did find your hunt offer very unique though.

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Originally posted by Greg Brownlee:
Thanks?

In all seriousness - I think that the "shoot" is something people are going to do for their own personal reasons. Obviously it's not a tough hunt, if it was you wouldn't be shooting over 100 animals, but I think it's a way for someone to get into Africa and learn to get rid of any anticipation of the shot. You can shoot targets all day long, but it's not the same as shooting the real thing.

Is it something guys will want to do over and over? Maybe, maybe not. I think it's comparable to dove hunting in Argentina where guys can shoot 4000 doves in a day. Some guys can't wait to come back, and some say "that was fun, but I think I'll do something else next time".

Greg,

In your ad you use the word 'hunt' repeatedly. just pointing out that a cull is not a hunt in my book.

I correct you and it is not dove hunting but rather wing shooting.

Cheers

Andrew

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Greg Brownlee:
Thanks?

In all seriousness - I think that the "shoot" is something people are going to do for their own personal reasons. Obviously it's not a tough hunt, if it was you wouldn't be shooting over 100 animals, but I think it's a way for someone to get into Africa and learn to get rid of any anticipation of the shot. You can shoot targets all day long, but it's not the same as shooting the real thing.

Is it something guys will want to do over and over? Maybe, maybe not. I think it's comparable to dove hunting in Argentina where guys can shoot 4000 doves in a day. Some guys can't wait to come back, and some say "that was fun, but I think I'll do something else next time".

Greg,

In your ad you use the word 'hunt' repeatedly. just pointing out that a cull is not a hunt in my book.

I correct you and it is not dove hunting but rather wing shooting.

Cheers

Andrew

Andrew, I apologize if my advertisement was misleading to you in any way. I have amended the post, and taken out the word "Hunt", except when referencing the buffalo "hunt" that is available to clients should they decide to do so.

Thanks,

Greg

Greg,

I doubt I could influence you.

I was simply stating a comparison and my view.

You indicated that this was hunting not I.

If you tack on a buffalo whilst culling Impala then so be it. But if i was an agent I would be rather offering a Buffalo hunt with an option to do some light culling?

Small yellow face with dark glasses.

Some like apples and some like oranges, and some like them both.

You get better at killing stuff by killing stuff.There is definately a difference in a trophy hunt verses a cull hunt, but I have done both and enjoyed both.I went to Australia this past summer and between my buddy and I we shot 31 buffalo.I got more practice with my big rifle than I would have got on 5 safaris hunting trophy cape buffalo.That has to help a guy's shooting.

Same thing with shooting bait for a cat hunt.Is a fellow not supposed to enjoy himself when shooting plains game for bait? Should it be considered work?

I guess some of the difference comes about from being burned out on the shooting part.If you live and work full time in Africa I suspect it is easier to become a bit blase' about shooting critters you are around all the time.

For me personally, every day spent hunting in Africa is like Christmas morning.I love it!If a cull hunt will give me some more time over there then let's get signed up!

please eyedoc, we must be politically correct and call it a cull shoot, not a cull hunt. God forbid we confuse the 2 terms!!!!

I ahd the same reaction after a couple of prairie dog shoots. I still go, but mainly to introduce friends to the event. I'll make attempts at longer ranges. That said, I think I might do a cull "hunt". I have a friend who loves to make it go bang and see something go down. He's expressed interest in a cull hunt. He wasn't much impressed with his first and only safari. I think he was looking at the $$$ vs. the number of animals, compared to the costs here at home as a resident hunter.

Hey Baldry
Take your holier than thou shit & go spend a night or two in the bush with it. Maybe you'll come home with something.

I've learned that damned near everything hunted in Africa is more "shot" than hunted. Nothing wrong with it at all and I've certainly done my fair share of SHOOTING African game, both PG & DG, and loved every minute of it..
With the exception of a Vaal Rhebok and maybe the EC bushbuck, they were all SHOOTS more than hunts. Still damn fun though, each and every one of them. Kind of like your beloved lechwe. You cannot tell me that isn't anything more than a fun wade out into the swamp to go shoot one?? It certainly isn't a "hunt".
You show me a "hunt" in Zambia and I'll show you someone that thinks it was/is far too easy, boring, bland, etc. Again, I'm not saying it isn't fun or not a good time..I'm just saying that what's hunting to you may be VERY different than what I would call hunting and not just shooting.

Want a run for your pound, go hunt mountain game. I'm sure you will agree with me that it's certainly "proper" and "fairgame". Till then, don't try to sell me on whats hunting and whats shooting.

You basically run Greg's ad down with your opinion and THEN make a whole separate thread just to make sure you've pissed all over it real good? What a prick move.

What your opinion is does not mean it is right nor does that mean everyone is going to/willing to follow just because you say so. What was your intent with this post? To make yourself look better and to run someone else down all in one fell swoop? I'll opine that it did quite the opposite and made you look like a dick. There is no sense in your thread.

Greg, like I said in the original post, I'd have jumped on this had I been open during those dates.. but I'll be in BC and then Kyrgyzstan during those dates. Thanks for making the offer available on here to all of us. I hope an AR member or two picks it up & writes a great report. It certainly looks like a ton of fun to be had on the Save.

Ballbag (as they say in Lusaka, eh?)... we get the point.. call it whatever you'd like..just keep it to yourself.

Greg, got any leopard hunts with hounds for sell?

Semantics are wonderful things. What is a hunt to one person is a shoot to another.

At what point does hypocricy(sp) raisen its ugly head.

I have never been to Africa, will never go, but, something tells me that PH's over theer, especially those that regularly hunt certain areas for certain trophies have a whole bush network active, looking for certain outstanding animals.

Now whether the clients end up shooting said animal or not depends on many things, but at least the PH has knowledge that an animal that is potentially a shooter is in the area.

If I am wrong about that, my apologies, but I have serious doubts that any PH is just going to take their clients out and just heads out thru the bush hoping to stumble in to something worth shooting.

I believe Saeed made the comment that in the end, we all become shooters, not just hunters.

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Originally posted by Scottyboy:
Hey Baldry
Take your holier than thou shit & go spend a night or two in the bush with it. Maybe you'll come home with something.

I've learned that damned near everything hunted in Africa is more "shot" than hunted. Nothing wrong with it at all and I've certainly done my fair share of SHOOTING African game, both PG & DG, and loved every minute of it..
With the exception of a Vaal Rhebok and maybe the EC bushbuck, they were all SHOOTS more than hunts. Still damn fun though, each and every one of them. Kind of like your beloved lechwe. You cannot tell me that isn't anything more than a fun wade out into the swamp to go shoot one?? It certainly isn't a "hunt".
You show me a "hunt" in Zambia and I'll show you someone that thinks it was/is far too easy, boring, bland, etc. Again, I'm not saying it isn't fun or not a good time..I'm just saying that what's hunting to you may be VERY different than what I would call hunting and not just shooting.

Want a run for your pound, go hunt mountain game. I'm sure you will agree with me that it's certainly "proper" and "fairgame". Till then, don't try to sell me on whats hunting and whats shooting.

You basically run Greg's ad down with your opinion and THEN make a whole separate thread just to make sure you've pissed all over it real good? What a prick move.

What your opinion is does not mean it is right nor does that mean everyone is going to/willing to follow just because you say so. What was your intent with this post? To make yourself look better and to run someone else down all in one fell swoop? I'll opine that it did quite the opposite and made you look like a dick. There is no sense in your thread.

Greg, like I said in the original post, I'd have jumped on this had I been open during those dates.. but I'll be in BC and then Kyrgyzstan during those dates. Thanks for making the offer available on here to all of us. I hope an AR member or two picks it up & writes a great report. It certainly looks like a ton of fun to be had on the Save.

Ballbag (as they say in Lusaka, eh?)... we get the point.. call it whatever you'd like..just keep it to yourself.

Greg, got any leopard hunts with hounds for sell?

Hey Scottyboy

If you read it like that then I can understand your caustic animosity.

I am not having a go at your mate Greg and if anything it puts his advertisement on the front page.

There are many here who would be led to believe that that a cull is a cheap hunt. This is not so and a cull is a cull. You do not wonder from the car, you do not track, spoor or stalk. Sure you get to see a bit of Africa. On safari you both shoot and hunt but culling is a different kettle of fish. It is intensive, and repetitive and can be urgent. My point was that you could not call a cull a hunt? If others disagree then I would be interested to know why.

A chap shoots 25 buffalo down under. I would say he must have had some good hunting. If he had shot 250 then he would have had himself a good cull.

Most posts here on AR entertain question and debate and this topic certainly sparked your interest and comment. This is a hunting forum and I am quite interested to know of others opinions and thoughts. If I appear bullish then that is my nature.

Note I am not denouncing those who want to cull but rather more interested in what people class as a hunt?

According to the book of Ballbag to head shoot a couple hundred Impala off the bonnet of a car before breakfast is to cull. To get out of the car and rest your rifle on a nearby set of sticks is to shoot. Poke around Africa on your two feet with a big stick is to hunt.

Let us do take my beloved Lechwe for example. They are shot/hunted as a day excursion from Lusaka by every other operator I know of. The so called hunt is little more than a rushed picnic. The day trip is nine hours of driving and usually an hour of so called hunting. To shoot or collect a Lechwe is therefore easy but to look, explore and identify a good head and take that animal in this unique environment is surely hunting. Therefore I would say that hunting is probably about spending time in an area pursuing specific game animals and absorbing the environment? More so if there is an element of danger.

My holier than thou attitude bought me back to Africa and I live for the game and am passionate about all things wild. My values are different to yours and also my concept of hunting. That is what makes us individuals mate.

And I keep telling you that to hunt Leopard with hounds is a waste of good dog meat. Haunch of Zebra works much better than a fluffy terrier, that is if you want to cull a Leopard.

Ballbag.

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My point was that you could not call a cull a hunt? If others disagree then I would be interested to know why.

Fairgame, I'll disagree with you.

A mate and I hunted in Namibia last year and after we'd taken our trophy animals, the outfitter made the offer of culling a few springbuck. Not many, we shot 12 all up, but all were mature rams, and all were taken by spot and stalk. There were no 'gift' shots and we worked pretty hard for them. Was it a cull? No doubt about it but I felt I 'hunted' every one of those rams that I shot.

Would I do it again, damn right I would and I'm quite happy to leave the decision of whether it's culling, shooting or hunting to the person pulling the trigger, it's no one else's business.

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Had a look at Greg's offer for a cull in Zimbabwe and basically for a low daily rate you get to shoot a bunch of shit.

I would def say your values are different than mine as well. I would have never crapped on Greg's (or any other outfitter for that matter!) AR hunt offer! And of course I read into your post with a "caustic" view.. One only has to read your 1st sentence that is nicely quoted above to see where you truly lay with this. Who calls someone else's hunt offer "shit"? You do.

BTW, I know Greg as personally as I know you. I didn't say all this to stand up for anyone here. I am only here because you are indeed "having a go at him".

I suppose that if those impala were found north of the Zambezi, the wildebeest were of the Cookson's variety instead of lowly blues, the eland were more "Livingston" strain than those scrubs found in Zim, the giraffe of the Thornicroft variety instead of southern, the zebra didn't have those damned poor man's shadow stripes and were "proper", etc. then all this would then be a "proper" Zambian hunt instead of a lowly Zim cull, right?? I'm sure you will disagree, but that's certainly the way your posts read most of the time and how you came off on this one... Nose in the air with a real hint of bully attitude thrown in for a self serving boost. There was just no reason to run down Greg's post at all. Don't like it, tough! Move on and sell your own hunts, don't shit all over his!

I'll give you my opinion, even though you didn't ask for it. I think YOU think you get a free pass to be a dick here on AR most times because of your artificially inflated status here because of your profession and where your profession has you located.. You get off on folks stroking your ego and telling you how great you are and how "proper" you are.. I just don't buy it at all. Your ass gets out of bed and puts your pants on just like the rest of us..

You may be a great guy and and a great PH, but your nose in the air attitude on here is like nails to a chalkboard to alot of folks on here, as indicated by the barrage of PMs I've received since I posted the 1st time here on this thread.. You just pressed my buttons with this one and I am generally able to overlook these threads and pass over them sans any comment or reaction.. Couldn't do it this time. In fact, you are only the 3rd person I've ever had a cross word with on here (ISS and Nakihunter were the others but that is neither here nor there)..

As for bringing up the "ballbag" nickname, I will apologize for that. That was brought to light here in jest and was not neccessary. I said that in spite with foul intentions to get a jab into you. Mea Culpa.

I'm done with this thread.. Have a good one, Andrew.

Personally, I had great fun on a Sprinbok Cull.....the three of us limited our shots to 300m and head shots only....great "sport" in the daytime...
While visiting a cousin of my RSA budyy, we had the opportunity to gather some meat for the Bushman nearby in the eastern Kalahari from their "concession".....we took 5 Gemsbok and 6 or 7 Springbok and I had a blast....guess I am just warped....

Lets go back to basics, where did we all start using a firearm, we probably all started on rabbits, possums, prairie dogs what ever small and easy game we have in our own countries. We all just liked shooting at game and targets, developing loads, competition shooting whatever took our fancy. In the end it all came down to aiming, pulling the trigger and making the best shot we could. As we progressed we went on to shoot bigger animals, some hard to find, some hard to get to, some dangerous, some easy, but again it all comes down to that final shot and elation that you've managed to make it and kill the animal, hit the bulls-eye, shoot a good group . For some the bigger the head the better, for others the head is not important and even the sex is not important, because we shoot for meat to eat, or god forbid just to shoot something at the end of a long hunt up a difficult creek, river, or mountain.

Sure I have slain into Aussie buffalo, both sexes, and would do the same in Africa if I could afford it and were allowed. I enjoy the hunt to find the animals, I enjoy the shoot with a big bore close in, I don't want heads anymore, never did have any great trophy ambitions, those I have are up in the shed roof now. I have seen Saeed on video, bang, bang two buffalo down almost side by side. Is that hunting, is it just shooting? To me it doesn't matter, there was obviously a hunt to find the game, a stalk to get in position and then the shots. No different than most of us have done in our own countries. Here in NZ because we have no natural predators our game multiplies enormously to pest levels and then is culled by helicopter unless foot hunters can manage to control populations which they usually can't. Most kiwis I know coming across a few animals will shoot and keep shooting till their gun is empty. As we get older we tend not to bother but certainly when younger we do. It's all about shooting and you can call it anyway you wish but you won't alter the fact, given the opportunity, given you can afford it or it's free, most of use will keep pulling the trigger and love it.

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Originally posted by eagle27:
given the opportunity, given you can afford it or it's free, most of use will keep pulling the trigger and love it.

There is also the responsibility to the landowner. To note a "hunt" a friend and I had a couple of weeks back. We went into the hills looking for a goat as time constraints precluded me getting onto a deer block. We saw three, shot one and about 30 apeared. Given that the goat is a pest animal as well as a game animal, we did in fact run out of ammo with 21 goats on the deck. We had an enormous amout of shooting fun, removed a number of pest animals for the landowner, and carried the back legs and back straps of a goodly number out for the freezer.
Hunting, shooting and culling all on the same day. We had a ball.

Von Gruff.

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Originally posted by johnfox:

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My point was that you could not call a cull a hunt? If others disagree then I would be interested to know why.

Fairgame, I'll disagree with you.

A mate and I hunted in Namibia last year and after we'd taken our trophy animals, the outfitter made the offer of culling a few springbuck. Not many, we shot 12 all up, but all were mature rams, and all were taken by spot and stalk. There were no 'gift' shots and we worked pretty hard for them. Was it a cull? No doubt about it but I felt I 'hunted' every one of those rams that I shot.

Would I do it again, damn right I would and I'm quite happy to leave the decision of whether it's culling, shooting or hunting to the person pulling the trigger, it's no one else's business.

Johnfox,

I am glad you disagree with me. I wish Scottyboy would add more voice his opinions. Good on him. Obviously I do not agree with all he or you state but you and he are man enough not mix his words.

Tell you what and let us go back a bit. You have worked your butt off to be able to hunt Africa. To fulfill your dream and the bargain is you get to shoot a bunch of animals and maybe buffalo.

Can you afford to shoot a 100 or 200 impala at $15 each a day? A buffalo is dangled like a carrot but yet there is no advertised trophy fee? It is private property and there is no hairy chested PH but some farm hand instructing you to shoot everything from the car. If you cannot fulfill the quota during the day you carry on at night. That is how I read the ad.

I put up a warning sign and get shat on.

Apparently I piss off half of AR and probably chase potential clients away from hunting with me? Why on earth would I do that? Probably because I am too damn honest.

So what if I piss off a couple of AR members? This is not a gentleman's club it is an international hunting forum.

Yes I might be blunt and confrontational. Yes I deal with the cream of the hunting world and yes I am a PH. Big bloody deal.

I am a bloke who sometimes paints a different picture of the safari world, like it or not. I am a bloke who tells you how it is.

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Originally posted by Tom In Tennessee:
Personally, I had great fun on a Sprinbok Cull.....the three of us limited our shots to 300m and head shots only....great "sport" in the daytime...
While visiting a cousin of my RSA budyy, we had the opportunity to gather some meat for the Bushman nearby in the eastern Kalahari from their "concession".....we took 5 Gemsbok and 6 or 7 Springbok and I had a blast....guess I am just warped....

Tom,

It is the norm here to shoot 15 species and possibly 20 animals on safari. When you have shot 150 of one specie before lunch then you are looking at a cull.

I once shot a dozen Black Lechwe and the same number of Tsessebe in Bangweulu for a tribal function in a couple of hours. That morning I also dispatched a wounded hippo that had been biting people. Great fun and good shooting but not hunting mate.

I have just been asked to cull problem elephant and that is hunting. Or is it?

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Originally posted by fairgame:

I have just been asked to cull problem elephant and that is hunting. Or is it?

Andrew
Why don't you save yourself the trouble. I'll fly in and kill it for you. When I'm finished, I post a short report here on AR to let everyone know whether it felt like I was hunting or culling.

I've emailed you my flight details. See you Wednesday!

" It is not hunting he did not use a rock."

Andrew,

Cream of the Hunting World????

Good God Man, does this mean I have to wear underwear?

Jeff

Cull, hunt and shoot.

I enjoy all three.

Political correctness is all around us, to the point many hunters are ashamed to admit they like the kill.

Not me.

I get a different sense of enjoyment from the kill that I don't get from any other aspect of a hunt. Not saying I don't enjoy the company of my friends and family, the travel, the outdoors, but I enjoy pulling the trigger. And I am not ashamed of that.

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Andrew,

Cream of the Hunting World????

Good God Man, does this mean I have to wear underwear?

Jeff

And a tie.

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Originally posted by Duckear:
Political correctness is all around us, to the point many hunters are ashamed to admit they like the kill.

Not me.

I get a different sense of enjoyment from the kill that I don't get from any other aspect of a hunt. Not saying I don't enjoy the company of my friends and family, the travel, the outdoors, but I enjoy pulling the trigger. And I am not ashamed of that.

Very well said and I am with you 100%.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Andrew,

Cream of the Hunting World????

Good God Man, does this mean I have to wear underwear?

Jeff

And a tie.

As long as I don't have to extend my pinkie when we break for Chai...

I would think these animals are going to be culled one way or another. Selling them this way generates a little much needed revenue.

I can certainly see the benefit. It gives some shooter more experience at shooting game, perhaps with a rifle they can only rarely use. Nothing wrong with that IMHO.

Definitely not hunting in my book but I don't see the problem with doing it. I have done a limited amount on one occasion. It doesn't bother me that they called it hunting in the ad.

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Originally posted by Duckear:
Cull, hunt and shoot.

I enjoy all three.

Political correctness is all around us, to the point many hunters are ashamed to admit they like the kill.

Not me.

I get a different sense of enjoyment from the kill that I don't get from any other aspect of a hunt. Not saying I don't enjoy the company of my friends and family, the travel, the outdoors, but I enjoy pulling the trigger. And I am not ashamed of that.

Nicely put Duckear, same as I said but took me two paragraphs instead of two sentences.

I always considered hunting "the practice of pursuing wildlife".
I have culled deer and Roo's via hunting, but if pursued via vehicle or with the help of spotlight, one might not consider this pursuit "sporting".

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Originally posted by eagle27:

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Originally posted by Duckear:
Cull, hunt and shoot.

I enjoy all three.

Political correctness is all around us, to the point many hunters are ashamed to admit they like the kill.

Not me.

I get a different sense of enjoyment from the kill that I don't get from any other aspect of a hunt. Not saying I don't enjoy the company of my friends and family, the travel, the outdoors, but I enjoy pulling the trigger. And I am not ashamed of that.

Nicely put Duckear, same as I said but took me two paragraphs instead of two sentences.

I suspect the enjoyment of the kill is a sense of achievement? Hunting and killing go hand in hand unless you do a green hunt which has no appeal to me what so ever.

[/QUOTE]I suspect the enjoyment of the kill is a sense of achievement? Hunting and killing go hand in hand unless you do a green hunt which has no appeal to me what so ever.[/QUOTE]

I do not always agree with you, but on these two points we find some common ground.

Fairgame, an Ele or Buff PAC hunt can get way too exciting even with spots at night....esp if Community have thrown a few musket balls into them and the game scouts with you have AK's and open up!!!

Two branches of the same tree if you ask me. I like both. The nice thing about culling is it gives a lot of trigger time. You get a real feel for how the rifle performs and how your shot placements alter things. Range time is great but there is no substitute for the real thing.

Interesting topic, and it again shows what tricky little bastards ethics can be.

"Cull hunts" are becoming rather popular here in South Africa.

I have no problem with culling, but I find something concerning me that people would pay money to do it. You would have to pay me to do it, or at least call it a favour. Paying for it just seems little different to me going to a farmer on a Friday afternoon, and paying him money so that I can cut the throats of the sheep waiting in the kraal behind his house.

The culling that I am, refereeing to here is that which is done from a vehicle (usually at night), and is really just like slaughtering animals at a abattoir.

If you have hunted animals, with an unlimited bag, per foot then I would not consider this culling.

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Originally posted by umshiniwam:
Interesting topic, and it again shows what tricky little bastards ethics can be.



I have no problem with culling, but I find something concerning me that people would pay money to do it. You would have to pay me to do it, or at least call it a favour. Paying for it just seems little different to me going to a farmer on a Friday afternoon, and paying him money so that I can cut the throats of the sheep waiting in the kraal behind his house.

The culling that I am, refereeing to here is that which is done from a vehicle (usually at night), and is really just like slaughtering animals at a abattoir.

Exactly. I have no problem with slaugtering animals for their meat but I'll never enjoy it. I do it because it has to be done.

On the other side I love to hunt but hunting is so much more than killing..

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Originally posted by Caracal:On the other side I love to hunt but hunting is so much more than killing..

I have no right and don't criticise others for feeling differently to me but for me, the following quote explains how I feel about it.

From Tryst with Tigers by Sher Jung

The jungle is the place to test one’s mettle and one’s skill. It is a place for personal and individual adventure. To tackle the adversary on the ground of it’s own choosing and to outwit it in it’s own game of woodcraft is the real joy and thrill of hunting. Always remember that hunting is not just killing animals, it is much more than killing; Killing is the least important part of it.

Tom,

PAC or Management animals would be exciting and especially at night. I consider that a hunt as you are basically you shooting one or two DG animals.

umshiniwam

If 'cull hunts' in are being offered in RSA then the cull would be fun for some and they get to see a bit of Africa and enjoy the same hospitality as trophy hunters. As some remarked you get in a lot live target practice.

I am not knocking individual choices or preferences but to hunt is different and those who book a hunt with me do not expect the entire safari to take place over the dashboard of the car? Or do they?

Not saying that does not happen during a hunt but rather an exception to the norm.

Picked this up a few days late as I have been guiding one of my Austrian clients the past 10 days. Dont have the time on my hands as fairgame does to run down guys trying to make an honest living by selling good deals here on AR.

fairgame you're a prick, thats just IMHO.

Scottyboy- well said!

Are'nt there enough anti hunting folk to worry about and now we have to worry about crap between ourselves?

Blue face thumbs down!