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I'm sure we'll get various answers but hopefully, someone has documentation that correctly identify's their listing, as for example, there are many species of Duiker's, but I'm assuming the common Duiker is one of the members. Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | ||
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In South Africa; Suni, Neotragus moschatus Oribi Ourebi ourebi Steenbok Raphicerus campestris Cape Grysbok Raphicerus melonotus Klipspringer Oreotragus oreotragus Southern bushduiker Sylvicapra grimmia [Common/Grey/Gray] Blue duiker Cephalophus monticola [Natal] Red duiker Cephalophus natalensis Some folk in order to bring up ten species in South Africa will include; Mountain reedbuck Redunca fulvorufula and Grey rhebok Pelea capreolus  Some folk are going to have to save a little.  | |||
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David, don't get started...they're addicting! Dik-Dik, Suni, all sorts of Duikers....very cool animals. | |||
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What about these: Royal Antelope Neotragus pygmaeus Bates's Pygmy Antelope Neotragus batesi Now those are tiny. | |||
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Pygmy Antelopes of Africa (from SCI Website) Klipspringer Common oribi Haggard oribi Steenbok Cape grysbok Sharpe grysbok Livingstone suni East African suni Royal antelope Bates pygmy antelope Salt dik-dik Harar dik-dik Guenther dik-dik Kirk dik-dik Damara dik-dik Phillips dik-dik Southern bush duiker Angolan bush duiker E. African bush duiker Western bush duiker Jentink duiker Yellow-backed duiker Abbott duiker Bay duiker Peters duiker Weyns duiker Gabon duiker (or white-bellied) Black-fronted duiker Ogilby duiker Zebra duiker Black duiker Harvey red duiker Natal red duiker Red-flanked duiker Maxwell duiker Blue duiker | |||
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Pick any ten from the SCI list and you've done it. I think I am short three. I hope to acquire two more while on my September Ele hunt. Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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David I have usually heard of the "classification" as either tiny 10 of Southern Africa or tiny ten of RSA. The first would include the Sharpes Grysbok and the Damaraland Diik-Dik which would be excluded from the latter and replaced by the Mt Reedbuck and the Vaal Rhebok/ Grey Rhebok. The little five would have to include the Royal (smallest) and Bates, but I can't add the remaining 3. I would assume in this case we are talking about the 5 smallest of the Pygmy antelope. I would assume they would be Dik-Dik. | |||
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Does the Chevrotain (Mouse Deer) not count? I just love those little fellas. I have shot a few Muntjacks in India. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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No Naki, it pertains to the pygmy antelopes of Africa. I need 4 to complete the Tiny 10. Out of those 4 I have hunted Vaalies twice and passed on all the rams I saw as they were not mature and past their prime. Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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I thought that there was an African Chevrotain. May be I am mistaken. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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Naki, you are correct, there is an African Chevrotain, but I believe they are considered a deer species. I don't remember what I read about them; don't believe they have antlers or horns, but I know there are such critters  Ed, that's what I'm looking for: a definitive answer. Knowledge is power...lol Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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A spark in the dim recesses seems to indicate Liberia, or in that region, Chevrotain that is. | |||
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Yes it is Liberia as well as Congo- Brazaville and neighbouring areas. Read the huntreport from a few years ago. Yes they are the largest of the Chevrotains and have no horns or antlers but have canine tusks like the Muntjak. These guys spend a lot of time in water. In India they are nocturnal are are not water bound as such. Much samller too - about the size of a large hare. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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I didn't realized it till I looked at the list but I do have the tiny ten....do I get a tiny trophy? Steve Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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I have 3 and going back for 5 or 6 more next time in a year or 2. | |||
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Are you sure the Vaal Rhebok and the Mt reedbuck are on it? Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Hey Steve, they're not on any Tiny Ten list I've ever seen. They, Reedbucks/Rhebok, are medium sized PG, IMO. Chevrotain may be found in Cameroon also, but are difficult to find anywhere. I think the SCI Pygmy Antelope category covers them very well. Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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Hi Mike, I didn't think so. Their kinda big to be tiny I guess I don't have ten then just nine, should be ok after I do CAR. Steve Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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LionHunter, Nganga my statement was what is considered the tiny 10 of RSA not any SCI classification. The SCI grouping is of the "Pygmy Antelope" and of course the Reed bucks or Rhebok's are not Pygmy Antelope. The tiny 10 of southeren Africa are just that souther Africa, therefore the Royal, Bates and the other Dik-Diks and Duikers of centeral africa are not in the grouping. As to sizing one could say the Vall Rhebok and Mt Reedbuck are similar in size to the Oribi or Common Duiker. There are Duiker in Centeral Africa which are "hugh" when compared to the Red or Blue Duiker. Also as to the Vaal Rehbok and Mt Reedbuck being in the tiny 10 of RSA I would defer to Peter Flack. I believe he lists them as part of the RSA tiny 10. | |||
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As suspected I still await the definitive answer. I do believe Ed is correct however. I do not look to SCI's classification, rather the guys in southern Africa to got together one day and came up with an new animal group. Most likely in jest, but it stuck. Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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Nor sure about any grouping or classification but my vaalie was for sure half the size of my mtn reedbuck. The Vaalie probably tipped the scales at no more than 45lbs. The reebuck was at least twice that. No comparison other than the shared habitat. Those yellow backs Central Africa certainly don't qualify as "pygmy" duikers either. They are huge. Nonetheless, I am big fan of hunting the little guys. I really enjoy them. Sporting little guys! | |||
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David, I think it was a play on the BIG FIVE, which has now been expanded to the Big Six. Basically it provides for conversation, eh. Of course one could list the medium size 8 and the large 4 etc. | |||
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Really? My Vaal was basically the same size and weight, no more than 5-8 pounds apart. Shot on the same day, no more than an hour apart. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Really. And mine were shot no more than TWO hrs apart on the same property. The reedbuck dwarfed the vaalie in body size. | |||
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Thats funny...I shot mine on an open (low fenced) cattle ranch down buy Piet Retief, we had a local PH that was a frickin riot named Gustav Niebar. The guy had like size 15 feet and screwed up jokes so bad you could not understand them, but he would just howl at them. We had a great trip. Steve Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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My vaalie and reedbuck came off a low fence place near Dordrecht north of Queenstown. I don't think vaalies can be fenced. I'om not 100% though. Never have heard of anyone fencing them. Could be wrong though. | |||
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Couldn't believe they eyes that little (Vaal) had, he would see us and take off running from like a mile and a half. Lots of respect there my friend. Steve Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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The whole thing becomes a little more cloudy when trying fit labels. All the little guys are known as "dwarf antelope". Part of the Neotragus group is the Bates's pygmy antelope, Neotragus batesi. So I think that maybe "mini ten, little ten" will be a good label. | |||
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Hmmm, based on the list from Scriptus and from Thomasjohn, I have nine of the RSA and nine of the African...guess I need to get hopping....anyone got a Suni in their backyard? | |||
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Scriptus' list is pretty much on track. Personally though would swop the mtn reedbuck for Damara Dik Dik. "A peculiar virtue in wildlife ethics is that the hunter ordinarily has no gallery to applaud or disapprove of his conduct. Whatever his acts, they are dictated by his own conscience, rather than by a mob of onlookers. It is difficult to exaggerate the importance of this fact." | |||
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