Little 5 and the Tiny 10

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19 May 2011, 23:56

L. David Keith

Little 5 and the Tiny 10

I'm sure we'll get various answers but hopefully, someone has documentation that correctly identify's their listing, as for example, there are many species of Duiker's, but I'm assuming the common Duiker is one of the members.

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20 May 2011, 00:31

Scriptus

In South Africa;
Suni, Neotragus moschatus
Oribi Ourebi ourebi
Steenbok Raphicerus campestris
Cape Grysbok Raphicerus melonotus
Klipspringer Oreotragus oreotragus
Southern bushduiker Sylvicapra grimmia
[Common/Grey/Gray]
Blue duiker Cephalophus monticola
[Natal] Red duiker Cephalophus natalensis
Some folk in order to bring up ten species in South Africa will include;
Mountain reedbuck Redunca fulvorufula and
Grey rhebok Pelea capreolus

Some folk are going to have to save a little.

20 May 2011, 02:09

Biebs

David, don't get started...they're addicting! Dik-Dik, Suni, all sorts of Duikers....very cool animals.

20 May 2011, 02:51

AnotherAZWriter

What about these:

Royal Antelope
Neotragus pygmaeus

Bates's Pygmy Antelope
Neotragus batesi

Now those are tiny.

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20 May 2011, 04:14

J.R.Jackson

Pygmy Antelopes of Africa (from SCI Website)

Klipspringer
Common oribi
Haggard oribi
Steenbok
Cape grysbok
Sharpe grysbok
Livingstone suni
East African suni
Royal antelope
Bates pygmy antelope
Salt dik-dik
Harar dik-dik
Guenther dik-dik
Kirk dik-dik
Damara dik-dik
Phillips dik-dik
Southern bush duiker
Angolan bush duiker
E. African bush duiker
Western bush duiker
Jentink duiker
Yellow-backed duiker
Abbott duiker
Bay duiker
Peters duiker
Weyns duiker
Gabon duiker (or white-bellied)
Black-fronted duiker
Ogilby duiker
Zebra duiker
Black duiker
Harvey red duiker
Natal red duiker
Red-flanked duiker
Maxwell duiker
Blue duiker

20 May 2011, 06:33

LionHunter

Pick any ten from the SCI list and you've done it. I think I am short three. I hope to acquire two more while on my September Ele hunt.

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20 May 2011, 16:25

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David I have usually heard of the "classification" as either tiny 10 of Southern Africa or tiny ten of RSA. The first would include the Sharpes Grysbok and the Damaraland Diik-Dik which would be excluded from the latter and replaced by the Mt Reedbuck and the Vaal Rhebok/ Grey Rhebok.

The little five would have to include the Royal (smallest) and Bates, but I can't add the remaining 3. I would assume in this case we are talking about the 5 smallest of the Pygmy antelope. I would assume they would be Dik-Dik.

21 May 2011, 04:16

Nakihunter

Does the Chevrotain (Mouse Deer) not count? I just love those little fellas. I have shot a few Muntjacks in India.

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21 May 2011, 12:02

L. David Keith

quote:
Does the Chevrotain (Mouse Deer) not count? I just love those little fellas. I have shot a few Muntjacks in India.

No Naki, it pertains to the pygmy antelopes of Africa. I need 4 to complete the Tiny 10. Out of those 4 I have hunted Vaalies twice and passed on all the rams I saw as they were not mature and past their prime.

22 May 2011, 12:12

Nakihunter

I thought that there was an African Chevrotain. May be I am mistaken.

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22 May 2011, 23:44

L. David Keith

Naki, you are correct, there is an African Chevrotain, but I believe they are considered a deer species. I don't remember what I read about them; don't believe they have antlers or horns, but I know there are such critters

Ed, that's what I'm looking for: a definitive answer. Knowledge is power...lol

23 May 2011, 00:36

Scriptus

A spark in the dim recesses seems to indicate Liberia, or in that region, Chevrotain that is.

23 May 2011, 04:41

Nakihunter

Yes it is Liberia as well as Congo- Brazaville and neighbouring areas. Read the huntreport from a few years ago. Yes they are the largest of the Chevrotains and have no horns or antlers but have canine tusks like the Muntjak. These guys spend a lot of time in water.

In India they are nocturnal are are not water bound as such. Much samller too - about the size of a large hare.

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23 May 2011, 07:56

Steve Ahrenberg

I didn't realized it till I looked at the list but I do have the tiny ten....do I get a tiny trophy?

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23 May 2011, 08:10

blaser93

I have 3 and going back for 5 or 6 more next time in a year or 2.

23 May 2011, 08:13

Steve Ahrenberg

Are you sure the Vaal Rhebok and the Mt reedbuck are on it?

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23 May 2011, 08:26

LionHunter

Hey Steve, they're not on any Tiny Ten list I've ever seen. They, Reedbucks/Rhebok, are medium sized PG, IMO. Chevrotain may be found in Cameroon also, but are difficult to find anywhere.

I think the SCI Pygmy Antelope category covers them very well.

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23 May 2011, 09:17

Steve Ahrenberg

Hi Mike,
I didn't think so. Their kinda big to be tiny

I guess I don't have ten then just nine, should be ok after I do CAR.

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23 May 2011, 16:06

Die Ou Jagter

LionHunter, Nganga my statement was what is considered the tiny 10 of RSA not any SCI classification. The SCI grouping is of the "Pygmy Antelope" and of course the Reed bucks or Rhebok's are not Pygmy Antelope. The tiny 10 of southeren Africa are just that souther Africa, therefore the Royal, Bates and the other Dik-Diks and Duikers of centeral africa are not in the grouping.

As to sizing one could say the Vall Rhebok and Mt Reedbuck are similar in size to the Oribi or Common Duiker. There are Duiker in Centeral Africa which are "hugh" when compared to the Red or Blue Duiker.

Also as to the Vaal Rehbok and Mt Reedbuck being in the tiny 10 of RSA I would defer to Peter Flack. I believe he lists them as part of the RSA tiny 10.

23 May 2011, 23:51

L. David Keith

As suspected I still await the definitive answer. I do believe Ed is correct however. I do not look to SCI's classification, rather the guys in southern Africa to got together one day and came up with an new animal group. Most likely in jest, but it stuck.

24 May 2011, 00:03

Equinsu Ocha

Nor sure about any grouping or classification but my vaalie was for sure half the size of my mtn reedbuck.

The Vaalie probably tipped the scales at no more than 45lbs. The reebuck was at least twice that. No comparison other than the shared habitat.

Those yellow backs Central Africa certainly don't qualify as "pygmy" duikers either. They are huge.

Nonetheless, I am big fan of hunting the little guys. I really enjoy them. Sporting little guys!

24 May 2011, 00:06

Die Ou Jagter

David, I think it was a play on the BIG FIVE, which has now been expanded to the Big Six. Basically it provides for conversation, eh. Of course one could list the medium size 8 and the large 4 etc.

24 May 2011, 01:00

Steve Ahrenberg

quote:
Originally posted by Scottyboy:
Nor sure about any grouping or classification but my vaalie was for sure half the size of my mtn reedbuck.

The Vaalie probably tipped the scales at no more than 45lbs. The reebuck was at least twice that. No comparison other than the shared habitat.

Those yellow backs Central Africa certainly don't qualify as "pygmy" duikers either. They are huge.

Nonetheless, I am big fan of hunting the little guys. I really enjoy them. Sporting little guys!

Really? My Vaal was basically the same size and weight, no more than 5-8 pounds apart. Shot on the same day, no more than an hour apart.

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24 May 2011, 04:11

Equinsu Ocha

quote:
Originally posted by Nganga:
quote:
Originally posted by Scottyboy:
Nor sure about any grouping or classification but my vaalie was for sure half the size of my mtn reedbuck.

The Vaalie probably tipped the scales at no more than 45lbs. The reebuck was at least twice that. No comparison other than the shared habitat.

Those yellow backs Central Africa certainly don't qualify as "pygmy" duikers either. They are huge.

Nonetheless, I am big fan of hunting the little guys. I really enjoy them. Sporting little guys!

Really? My Vaal was basically the same size and weight, no more than 5-8 pounds apart. Shot on the same day, no more than an hour apart.

Really. And mine were shot no more than TWO hrs apart on the same property. The reedbuck dwarfed the vaalie in body size.

24 May 2011, 04:35

Steve Ahrenberg

Thats funny...I shot mine on an open (low fenced) cattle ranch down buy Piet Retief, we had a local PH that was a frickin riot named Gustav Niebar. The guy had like size 15 feet and screwed up jokes so bad you could not understand them, but he would just howl at them.

We had a great trip.

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24 May 2011, 05:00

Equinsu Ocha

My vaalie and reedbuck came off a low fence place near Dordrecht north of Queenstown.

I don't think vaalies can be fenced. I'om not 100% though. Never have heard of anyone fencing them. Could be wrong though.

24 May 2011, 06:32

Steve Ahrenberg

Couldn't believe they eyes that little (Vaal) had, he would see us and take off running from like a mile and a half. Lots of respect there my friend.

Steve

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24 May 2011, 12:08

Scriptus

The whole thing becomes a little more cloudy when trying fit labels. All the little guys are known as "dwarf antelope". Part of the Neotragus group is the Bates's pygmy antelope, Neotragus batesi. So I think that maybe "mini ten, little ten" will be a good label.

25 May 2011, 23:09

Tom In Tennessee

Hmmm, based on the list from Scriptus and from Thomasjohn, I have nine of the RSA and nine of the African...guess I need to get hopping....anyone got a Suni in their backyard?

26 May 2011, 12:03

Deon

Scriptus' list is pretty much on track. Personally though would swop the mtn reedbuck for Damara Dik Dik.

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