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IMO, It's a money making machine of note that makes it hard to discover where the big money from the convention donations etc goes, fails to listen to it's ordinary members, and has a comedy series called an ethics committee, (see OoA and complaints in previous threads) fails to address many of the issues that could improve things for hunters (such as the embargo on Moz elephant product into the US) and in it's upper echelons is filled with murky issues, snobbery and self congatulation. What I find particularly disappointing is that they could achieve so very much but repeatedly fail to do so. I find ordinary members truly wonderful people but I do have problems with some of the (to me)less than acceptable policies of the organisation.... which is why I left and also why I express my opinion. All you gotta do to get the entire spectrum of opinions is use the search function and I doubt much if anything has changed since the last time this dead horse was flogged. | |||
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Being that I am a member of SCI, it hurts me to say this, but SCI has gotten to big! To much money in play now. It is corrupted at the top just like government and has forgotten its roots. Honesty, integrity and pure of heart can move mountains. Look at the grassroots effort of the AR forum members to support injured members of the hunting industry. Craig Boddingtons efforts to help Punki, now the efforts of Larry, Aaron, Craig and others to help John Greeff. SCI asks it's chapters to raise funds, but does very little to help the chapters with fund raising. Nothing like RMEF and NWTF. Sorry if I offended anyone, but if SCI would help those that help them, I think it could be a much more useful organization. OK, let the flogging begin ! Steve, maybe I just took some heat of you. you can thank me later. Martin | |||
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Saeed - I guess not everyone sees SCI's predictability of, membership growing, Chapters thriving and providing their Humanitarian and Wildlife projects across the World, providing members with a 1st Class Magazine and Newsletter, fighting the Political fight of defending Hunters' rights Worldwide, providing funds for Conservation Worldwide and providing an awesome Convention for hunters from all over the Globe to gather and share their passion an unacceptable path to take. All of this makes me feel really good about them and all for a mere $50 plus bucks a year!! There is absolutely no other organization at the present time that even comes close to doing what SCI is doing for hunters Worlwide. If you know of one please let me know about it and I'll throw in my support in a heartbeat. Larry Sellers SCI Life Member
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Larry maybe some would feel different if SCI were as perfect as Africa and the middle east. | |||
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Hmmm....guess my question was directed at Steve but not clearly so. Actually I do consider myself informed and am well aware to the good work SCI/SCIF does and where their shortcomings are. I choose not to throw the baby out with the bath water;and can live with the shortcomings for my $$$. YMMV | |||
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Steve that is so funny, I guess I am the guy that came in and said to the boss I quit and he said you can't because I fired you. | |||
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From the SCIF foundation IRS Form 990 for Fiscal Year ending June 2009 Grants and other assistance to governments, organizations in the U.S. Total amount $344,971. Grants and other assistance to individuals in the U.S. Total amount $30,002. Grants and other assistance to governments, organizations, and individuals outside the U.S. Total amount $14,460. It would appear the two single largest categories are compensation/benefits and the productions costs of its education programs. It would be great if someone new the definition of Program Services. It is very hard to tell whethe or not Program Services means actual conservation efforts or paying for the glossy magazine. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi?[/] [i] Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Mike, it is my understanding any expedutures other than the direct operating costs would fall into this catagory. In that the cost of the magazine as it is for members benefit etc. | |||
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$217,000 is equivalent to tossing a couple of pennies into the Goodwill bucket at a check-out counter. It is not even enough to fund one project. Orgs like SCI should be putting "several" million dolloers into wild life research and conservation per year. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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You know very well that that number ($217,000) is wrong. If you really want to look into the SCI Foundation, then look into it instead of taking cheap shots based upon what is clearly a flawed analysis. It's all right here: SCI Foundation And if you have any questions just ask - using the link provided HERE. I'm sure that they'll be only to happy to respond. | |||
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Even at 217,000 it ain't chopped liver condidering SCI has about 54,000 members vs the millions of the NRA. I know this comes as no suprise to most but I don't know of any organization with membership the size of SCI that does near the good. | |||
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If you really want to look at the real data look here at SCIFs IRS filing... http://www.safariclubfoundatio...09_SCIF_FORM_990.pdf Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi?[/] [i] Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Interestingly I see SCIF has an office in RSA and spends $200,000+ in USD, or about 15,000,000 Rand in the reporting year. I would believe that is more than any international charitable organization not based in RSA and that would not count contributiuons or grants. Please correct me if I am wrong. | |||
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Good link Mike! I only perused the first page with revenues of 7.7 and 5.3 million for the consecutive years listed. And remember, that is only the foundation. Are you guys going to defend that percentage as given to projects on the ground? Say it isn't so, PLEASE! | |||
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Excuse me read one page and know everything, I don't think so. $5.5 million revenues with 72.5% spent for mission purposes, 12.3% for mgmt and 15.2% on fund raising. | |||
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DOJ, Correct they spent $217,000 in RSA for Program Services. Program Services is not really well defined and includes SCIFs operating expenses. The $217,000 includes office space, salaries, fundraising expenses and anything that it costs to run Program Services it also includes the grants and donations. However, if you go look at the grants and donations to entities outside of the US (line 3, page 10) total grants outside the US is $14,460. If SCIF conducts a fundraising event at the Hilton next to Joburg airport and the cost of the room rental and catering is $10,000 then the $10,000 is part of the $217,000. If SCIF pays $12,000 a year for office space and $60,000 a year for the two employees in RSA then all of that is part of the $217,000 spent in RSA. It is impossible to tell what of the $217,000 went to actual conservation efforts, what went to hunter education, and what went operating expenses. The best one can do is look at the cost category detail that starts on page 10 to get some idea of the distribution of how SCIF spends its money. One percenatge that is very easy to calculate is that SCIF spends about 32%-33% of its money on staff compensation, benefits, and payroll taxes. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi?[/] [i] Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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DOJ, Folks concern is how they spend the 72%. Just because an entity spends 72% on its "mission puprose" doesn't mean it is spent wisely. That would be the equivalent of saying General Motors is well run because they spend 72% on producing cars. What if the 72% should really be 85% but the total expenditue should be 50% less. People need to look at at the details on the subsequent pages and draw their own conclusions. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi?[/] [i] Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Mike regardless for what the monies are spent they are spent in RSA. The $217,000 listed in the report are not the same $217,000 at the start of this string. 32+% spent on personel costs ain't bad. I didn't see anyone that I would consider over paid. As to 72% being spent wisely that will never be spent in any manner that will satasify all. As to comparing SCI to GMC is apples to oranges. first one is for non profit second is supposed to be for profit, one is service second is manufacturing, etc. People that take the time to look at all the report will indeed draw their own conclusions and their opinions probably will not change. | |||
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I don't see anybody saying they are the same. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi?[/] [i] Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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"That would be the equivalent of saying General Motors is well run because they spend 72% on producing cars" Sorry I thought equivalent was the same as comparing. If not, the statement is not relevant. | |||
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DOJ, I have no idea what you just said and do not follow your logic or comment at all. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi?[/] [i] Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I was only quoteing you. Where as I understood your statement as comparing GM and SCI. | |||
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I did not comapre GM to SCI. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi?[/] [i] Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Nope. Mike made an analogy with GM, not a direct comparison. Here's a new "diversion", as someone suggested: I've been a member for several years. I've tried to read the magazine. It's very glossy and very, very crappy. I realize they do some good for hunters. I know this because they tell me they do every week on every possible medium currently known to man. However, in the end, they just come across as a giant pecker measurin' contest. | |||
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Well....I am not a SCI member & never will be I guess..... If SCI is a club, then so are so many other organizations....such as ..... the rich Christian Tele Evangelists, political parties, extremist groups, The hells angels, The various Porn clubs on the web, the various sports clubs - football, baseball, basketball, soccer, cricket, rugby etc. The differences among these clubs are easy to see in many cases and not so easy in others. The Porn clubs are the easiest - make lots of money while propagating porn. Lots of competition & lots of demand. It is also addictive so you get them hooked! The sports clubs are also easy to understand in most cases. They own a sport brand - namely the club - & its supporters and sponsors fund it. The brand / club develops the sport at the grassroots level in its area / support base. If the support base declines, then the brand & club also decline in performance. There is very stiff competition at all levels including the paying field. The owners of the clubs also make money & sometimes lots of it. But the risks are still there. The TV evangelists are not so easy to understand. They make huge amounts of money & live an extravagant lifestyle in many instances. The basic principles of the faith - charity, love, humility, etc. are not so obvious in many cases. Some of them have scandals. One prominent TV evangelist was a close associate of former Zaire's president Mobutu & involved in mining & other secret deals. The GOP, DP, etc are political clubs & the debate will never end about how well they represent their members or serve their community. Yes there is competition and yes they make a lot of money. The extremist groups, hells angels etc are largely criminal organizations with a claim to serving the interest of their respective communities. Again there is competition and a lot of money in many cases. many extremists cannot operate in the open and have been replaced by various smaller extreme groups. The problem with the SCI is that there is no competition. In the world's leading capitalist country there is no real competition for the SCI!!! As long as the SCI operates as a monopoly, it will remain inefficient and oligarchic. The old school tie and stuff like that will always be there. To hold those people accountable, you need pressure on them from the market! What about the AR community starting a real hunting & gun club that is funded by its members for the benefit of all hunters, rich & not so rich? "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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I'm a member and I wouldn't call their magazine or newsletter 1st Class. The magazine is 4 color glossy, but the articles can be very weak. The newsletter is pitiful - unless you like reading ads. Antlers Double Rifle Shooters Society Heym 450/400 3" | |||
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Mike, Thank you for this detail. It seems the deeper one digs, th worse SCI looks, despite all the cheerleaders. SCI might have started off with the right mission. Somehow, that has fallen by the way side a long time ago. | |||
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The 217,000 was for one quarter.. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Has anyone here ever heard of the Dallas Safari Club?  | |||
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The problem is that $217,000.00 + $1.00 (used to be $0.50 but now that won't work...inflation!!!) will buy you a cup of coffee and barely be be start up funds for a conservation project. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I am surely no supporter of SCI but I have the same questions about amount of money taken in and amount spent by DSC. Antone know how they compare with SCI? Itbwould be interesting to see a side by side comparison. 465H&H | |||
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I would like to see that information also not that I am against DSC. Funny thing is I am a member of SCI and not DSC (Use to be member) but I attend the DSC show. I just like Dallas better than Reno plus the AR gang does more at Dallas. I have tried to find the DSC 990 can one find it on their web site. I just went back to theri web site and gee whis guess what they give about as many annual awards as SCI and the have their own record book for those who want to enter. I would also like to know the # of members they have. | |||
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You will need to look at two organizations DSC and DEF DSC is the club and DEF is the Dallas Ecologiccal Foundation. This is similar to SCI and SCIF. Both SCI and DSC are 501(c)(4) coprorations and SCIF and DEF are 501(c)(3) corporations. Contributions to a 501(c)(3) are tax deductible contributions to a 501(c)(4) are not. A 501(c)(4) may lobby for legistaltion a 501(c)(3) may not. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi?[/] [i] Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I could not find the 990 DSC or DEF on the DSC web site. I do find basically they are mirror images with the exception of booth allocation method and SCI has more publications, but Game Trails is about the same as Safari. | |||
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I'm a member of BOTH SCI and HSC ... They seem to be orgnisations that started off small and with the very grass roots hunters in mind and then they become victims of their own popularirty and GROW bigger and with size comes power and with power comes advertising. WE cant whether we like it or not fight against advertising. I dont know of very many publications in this day and age which dont advertise like crazy At the end of the day in return for my money I get a couple of glossy magazines to read and they get a bit of my money. It sure beats giving the MONEY to some (so called charatible) organisation like OXFAM and the likes whom sometimes have the people at heart BUT a lot of the donations filter through to African dictators .. Cheers, Peter | |||
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I have an idea. Instead of debating what these clubs are/where/should be, Why don't we SCI and DSC members solicate our local chapters for donations to the Boddington fund. Lets take it a set further. Contact the regional reps and request that they solicate National fordonations to the fund. This is putting the grassroots activism back into the clubs. Then we will see what the clubs are really made of. Maybe I am just a dreamer, but it seems that SCI and DSC would want to help the PHs or anyone else in the industry that is injured. I will go first. Since I am on the board of a small chapter, I will engage the board to make a donation to the Bodington fund. I will keep you updated. Martin | |||
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 "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | |||
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I like your ides but what about a local chapter like I am a mamber of and our mission statement and propose is to provide hunting opportunity for youth particaularly youth with life altering illness. Donating to other causes would distract from our mission. We can't solve everyones problems. We are not the Federal Govenment.  Of course all the complaints on here are of the Inernational org not the local chapters, because complaining of the local chapters is getting to close to the consumer. The International org is that great monolith in the sky, it is a creature of its own like Topsy. | |||
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I have heard silly comments here before, but this one really takes the cake! SCI takes millions from the hunting industry, and pays back such a small amount. The owner of this site has never taken a penny from anyone, so why should he give anything away? | |||
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