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I am sure some of you guys have already seen this but I just got this email: http://dscnewscenter.org/2018/...e-bred-lion-hunting/ In a nutshell, they don't believe it is ethical or helps the wild lion population. | ||
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Hmmmmm. Wonder how many canned lions were sold at DSC last week? Will J. Parks, III | |||
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I just got this in an e-mail, and support it 100 percent. Proud to be a DSC member. There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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Good call | |||
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Just another case of only time will tell. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I bet a lot less than will be sold at SCI in a few weeks. Got to complete this inner circle jerks and big five awards don’t you know..... Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… | |||
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+1, kudos for DSC stepping up and taking a stand. I am reasonably confident SCI will not follow suit, preferring instead to firmly stand for nothing. Seems like SCI could at least weigh in one way or another, taking no position is the coward's way out . . . Mike | |||
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DSC also adopted the six year rule without a pride as a huntable lion. Edited to show the correct age of the rule. | |||
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This first concept is lost on too many hunters. Good statement, and good decision. | |||
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While operating the Lion Conservation Task Force, Inc. I wrote and got endorsed by all the scientific community the Definition of a Huntable Male Lion. I was able to convince DSC to adopt it and it has become the standard in the conservation minded hunting community. Even detractors admit the lion quality has proven its benefits. I had many meetings with SCI and a myriad of correspondence about adoption of that standard to no avail. Thus Mike is likely correct. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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It is a 6 year old standard. The Definition of a Huntable Male Lion. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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That is correct. Thank you. It had been awhile sense I read the announcement in Sports Afield. I am under the impression SCI did not adopt/ support the rule. | |||
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Ledvm: Not asking you to burn anyone with names. Buy what rational did SCI give you for rebutting the six year, prideless make rule? | |||
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None. Actually...they always said they were strongly considering but still deliberating. When they (SCI) did not endorse immediately after their convention the same year that DSC did...the scientific community became disenchanted. Support from them to not uplist waned, and the rest is history. The lion was uplisted to “threatened” and the import suspension ensued. Had they (SCI) endorsed...the scientific community was going to lobby against the uplist and maybe the suspension might have never occurred. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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My sense is that SCI doing a victory lap on the lifting of the elephant trophy import restrictions played a role in the fallout that resulted in the series of Trump tweets putting the lifting on hold. Would be ironic, but hardly surprising, to learn that the organization First for Hunters actually played an unintentional but key role in both the lion and elephant import restrictions. But all is not lost, we can still go for the canary grand slam and get a gold SCI ring. Tone deaf is the phrase that comes to mind.  Mike | |||
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Brother , you hit the nail on the head. | |||
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The Terminator (MJ) speaks again!  | |||
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Good point. From the press release: After a thorough analysis and deliberation, the Board of Dallas Safari Club has concluded that the practice of captive bred lion hunting is not a practice that is in keeping with its values of ethical and fair chase hunting. Therefore, Dallas Safari Club does not support the practice of captive bred lion hunting. If Dallas Safari Club does not support captive bred lion "hunting", will it allow the sales of these "hunts" at its next convention? | |||
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I don’t think they should “ban” exhibitors from selling them at the show. BUT DSC has made their stance and you can bet no funding will be approved for these practices AND in my opinion they should not accept any donated hunts of this nature. My 2 cents. | |||
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While I don’t consider canned lion shooting hunting, I’m not so sure it has no positive impact on the wild. From my point of view, they are an ag product and should not be discussed as part of hunting, but I would encourage research into seeing if there is any positive wild impact to ranching them. I suspect that the decreased cash value to poachers along with the ability to monitor the whole process through a department of Agriculture or similar might make them of some value. I agree there isn’t any proof of this available now, but it seems logical. I will admit the only place I have been on that has done put and take lion didn’t leave me with any warm and fuzzy feeling, but then most cattle farms don’t either. | |||
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100% ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Ledvm: Thank you for ignoring my typos, and answering my question. | |||
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I agree with the decision but think the announcement should state why canned lion hunting doesn’t meet DSC’s ethical standards. A missed opportunity to get the message out about ethical hunting and the positive impact it has on wildlife conservation. USMC Retired DSC Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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How many on here believe that the anti's really discriminate between "Canned Hunts" and "Ethical" Free Range Hunts??? Anyone want to address that? We know they do not differentiate, they want it ALL stopped. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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How obtuse can one person be . . . the fight is not to convert or convince anti-hunting groups of anything. Mike | |||
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Infinitely. ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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You are kidding! Do you think we would be in this if it was not for the bloody antis?? | |||
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This is a very difficult subject. Lions are one thing, but do you remember the “Texas Three” that have basically been saved from extinction in their native habitat, they are alive and well here because of hunting. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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How sad! Everyone is ganging up on the best way to guarantee the lions survival! Making them valuable! | |||
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Okay, I am 67 years old, born and raised in Texas, and I have never heard of the "Texas Three". Can you please explain? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Saeed as the old pop song here in America goes, "You Don't Know What You've Got Till Its Gone". I fear some folks, in this case hunters are willingly blinding themselves to the reality of what is going to happen. This will draw fire, but I fear "Hunters Ethics" are going to be a leading catalyst to bringing an end to hunting. Just my opinion. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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The point is that changing the minds of antis isn't going to happen no matter what you do, so you have to go where the decisions are actually made, and that's the people ambivalent about the subject. Like it or not, we hunt at the pleasure of the non-hunting public. Best to keep them on your side when things come to a head. And that means, as counter-intuitive as it sounds, being aware of how they perceive the actions of hunters. We can scream all day long that we have a right to do this or that, or "screw them," and that sounds good to us, and a lot of other hunters. But we, generally, already have their vote, so such language accomplishes nothing on the larger scale. Bear this in mind, hunting will be hammered by the initiative process, which allows fully uninformed people to exert their will on subjects they have no interest in or do not take part in, just see I-177 in Montana. Best to get ahead of things now, but I think the long term looks better for "them" than it does for "us." | |||
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/c...ls-save-the-species/ DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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A farmer/rancher will develop grow and prosper with what the farmer/rancher can sell at market. If a commodity cannot be sold or has no value at market then it is just a weed or a nuisance and gets removed from the field or garden. That’s just what the farmer/rancher has to do to survive, they can’t afford to feed weeds. "In the worship of security we fling ourselves beneath the wheels of routine, and before we know it our lives are gone"--Sterling Hayden-- David Tenney US Operations Manager Trophy Game Safaris Southern Africa Tino and Amanda Erasmus www.tgsafari.co.za | |||
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Protecting our hunting rights in the US vs Africa are two vastly different subjects. As long as the rabid democrats do not take control of our government again, our hunting and gun rights will continue to be well protected - not that we should go to sleep all warm and fuzzy, but politics is our best protection here. Africa however is a totally different animal. Decision makers are very susceptible to persuasion, pressure, and bribes. Look no further than Botswana as an example. Anti-hunting groups are working tirelessly to exert influence and pressure on Africa government officials to curtail hunting. They are persistent, well funded, politically connected, control and weld huge social media armies, and will stoop to any level including harassment and blatant bribery to achieve their goals. They will gleefully take any and all hunting rights folks are willing to give away as they march towards a total ban. If organizations want to wage a feel good PR campaign that looks good to the masses, have at it. But don't get confused, it will have zero impact on protecting our hunting rights in Africa. (I sorta believe DSC, SCI, PHASA, etc all understand that) ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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It is helpful if and when people remember that none of those three species are Native Texas Animals! They are exotics and yes they were saved from extiction by the efforts of Texans. However how many Hunters look down on high fence hunting operations in Texas and around the world? What good will it do Hunters to have a species saved, only to have Hunters Black List them for shooting one of those animals inside a High Fence? Our World, and I am talking about Hunters is changing and not for the better especially as far as Hunting/Hunters are concerned. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I couldn't agree more. I'm for the policy that results in the maximum number of lions, plain and simple. Captive breeding is good for lion numbers, not bad. analog_peninsula ----------------------- It takes character to withstand the rigors of indolence. | |||
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It’s a very slippery slope. I agree with the analogy of captive bred lions as livestock. However, I used that argument against Texas Parks & Wildlife as a baby lawyer and lost. TP&W notified my client, a deer breeder, they were going to euthanize his herd because they denied his breeder license renewal. My injunction was denied because the deer “belong to the people of Texas” under statute. I doubt citing that statute whenbeing charged a trophy fee will fly with an outfitter... I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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Marcus, It is a slippery slope...100% ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Wild whitetails/mule deer in Texas do "belong to the people of Texas". Captive bred deer do not, they belong to the person running the operation. They keep the records and jump thru a bunch of hoops, such as removing any resident native deer BEFORE the operation begins. When the high fence "Trophy" whitetail hunting got started, some folks fenced in their properties and trapped resident whitetails inside their fence. That was where some of the problems came in. If I remember correctly before TP&W would issue a "Breeders License" thev property had to be inspected by TP&W biologist to make sure no Native/Wild Bred whitetails were trapped inside the fence. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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