I have not hunted Africa or North America/Canada yet,i'm reading a book 'Bear attacks,the deadly truth"by James Gary Shelton.Those of you that have hunted Grizzly bears in the U.S/Canada and DG in Africa what animals scared you the most? can Grizzly Bear hunting be compared to hunting dangerous game in Africa?

TOP_PREDATOR The answer to your question is a resounding "YES!"

Haveing said that they can only compare under certain conditions. Example: A gut shot Brown bear, in tight willows, where you have to go in and finish him, can be compared to going into the weeds with a Cape Buffalo, as far as adrenalen rush goes! With the proper rifle, I believe the bear is far easier to put down, wounded, or not! However, if either gets on you it is "SATURDAY NIGHT IN SOUIX CITY" and the fight for life is on! In the event anything bigger than you that is mad, or scared, is going to hurt you, if he gets to you, and It doesn't matter where he is from, either.

As far as hunting the dangerous game of Alaska, Canada, or any in North America, it doesn't compare to Africa, IMO! and the Animal that scares hell right out of me is the African lion, in the long grass, especially if the light is failing, and/or he is wounded. The cats, both Leopard, and Lion, are extremely hard to hit properly once they decide to rush you. also, once they charge, they do not stop till you either kill them, or disable them so badly they can't opperate. The Big Brownie is somewhat the same, but is easier to hit, and a large bullet will most times cause him to spin, and bite at the wound, giveing you time for follow-up shots, but not always. Buffalo give you some more time to sort out, unless he blind-sides you from a dirrection you don't expect.

All in all, dangerous game is dangerous, regardless of where you find him, and requires a proper rifle, and proper caliber, to be applied as often as you can, as quickly as you can!

I have to agree with you the big Bears of Alaska are animals the demand respect, and proper armament!

Good luck in your future hunting, and welcome to AR

I've shot a couple of Buff's and Bears, and I didn't have any adrenalin with either. The only times I've had some crap in your pants excitement was surprising an elephant at close range and once when I walked up on a sleeping Grizzly that woke up in a bad mood. If either of them had decided to finish the job, I would not be typing this blurp.

Having had close and quite dangerous encounters with bears (both black and grizzly) and also a Cape buffalo, I can tell you that the animal isn't all that important as to how much your adrenalin gets you going.
On one occasion, I had a female black bear start to climb up into my tree stand. At the time, I was armed to the teeth with a pen knife and my camcorder. I will never be without a gun in bear country again, especially in Canada where they have little fear of man, if they have any.
A second encounter with a wounded black bear (no, I didn't make the bad shot) added to my respect for those critters. A guide and I went into the brush to recover a wounded black and it came for us. Lucky shooting saved the day. A bear is not an easy target at close range. They do a lot of bobbing and weaving.
In 1998 on Kodiak island, I had to argue with a bear for the sitka blacktail I had just taken. No shots were fired, but I am here to tell you that anything the size of a VW Beetle that woofs and growls has my undying respect.
With consideration of the above, I have to say that the most charged I have ever been was with the Cape buffalo. After it was all over, I got weak in the knees and had to sit down before I fell down.
So far, I have managed to avoid messing my shorts. Who knows what the future can bring?

At the risk of provoking some kind of flamed responses, being here on the African forum, I'd say that brown bear (grizzlies who get real big from having lots of fish to eat) scare me way more than Cape Buffalo.
I've shot one BB, and 2 buffalo, so I have some experience, albeit probably nothing to compare with many of these guys. I've been around both on other occasions too. Lots of encounters with BB while fishing and moose hunting. I've lost track of times I've been bluff charged, had to draw down on them, and on 3 occasions I've felt I needed to shoot in front to "scare" them off (one was swimming across a small river directly at us). I've spent probably 12 days chasing buffalo.
I have no doubt that a poorly shot buffalo, and maybe some old Dugga boys for no reason, are hairy. On the other hand, BB are predators, not grass eaters, and often very cranky and aggressive. In places where they are not often hunted they think they are on top of the food chain. I've certainly heard of buff coming out of no where, but this happens frequently along Alaska Penninsula rivers. BB are also very active at night we I can't see too well. I've not heard of buff trying to get into your sleeping bag, or setting up shop at your gut pile or meat cache.
In my limited experience, both can keep on going with good lung shots with a .375, even though they are officially dead. Both seem to take some convincing in this regard.
Frankly, the big bears scare me a lot more.
This is just my 2 cents, so take it as that.

Know where the term "bear baiting" comes from? In the days of the Roman Empire their idea of fun was to put different animals in a pit and see which one came out alive. The great bears took all comers (except elephant) and it became so one sided they eventually chained the bears by one foot and they still killed everything presented to them. That's tough!

elephant

Dangerous is dangerous no matter what you are chasing!
I personally know two men that have killed "The Big Five" that simply refused to follow up wounded brown bears that made it to the thick tangles from the beach. Rather insisting the guide do the recovery himself. Both theses guys later commented to me "No F#$%^&g" way were they going in that stuff " yet both brag about the 50# eles they brained at 30 yds.

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Originally posted by DC300:
Know where the term "bear baiting" comes from? In the days of the Roman Empire their idea of fun was to put different animals in a pit and see which one came out alive. The great bears took all comers (except elephant) and it became so one sided they eventually chained the bears by one foot and they still killed everything presented to them. That's tough!

DC300,

Jim Corbett wrote about bears running tigers off their kills, too, which surprised me.

Steve

I haven't been in the DG hunting thing yet, but I'm planning a DIY caribou hunt in SW Alaska next year and the bear situation is a tad worrisome. In modern times, you don't have to worry about a buff, ele, lion, or leopard getting you in your tent, but when you are staked out on a gravel ridge in the middle of nowhere I suspect the bear thing becomes a much bigger deal.

I haven't the pleassure of hunting Africa maybe one day when the lottery is in my favor!
Having shot two BB on the Alaskan Pennisula while serving the military in Alaska. What an adrenalain high going into alders alone after a wounded Brown. It seemed everything around me was in slow motion while I was like a super-human charged up! Afterwards, I sometimes get the quivering legs after all hell has settled down! Never experienced the Lion or Buff charge. I have dreamed many times with anticapation what the experience would be like.
I am sure anyone who experienced close encounters with danger and goes back for more thrives on the rush!

I tend to believe that the big bears are more dangerous than cat, or buffalo. They are bigger than lions, and can hold lead like a buffalo. Either a buff or bear with lay false trails and wait for you, but the big bears can reason, and think things out. I've had buff lay trails and wait in ambush, and followed a griz another hunter had wounded into the bush. We could sort of out think the buff, but not the bear. Got the buff, lost the bear (and he was shot 7 times with a 3006). all in all its boils down to what, where, how, and who

James,
Keep reading about this stuff and it'll get you. It's one of those self fulfilling prophesies, you travel all the way from NZ to Canada and get eaten by a bear!

I don't consider the any Bear in the same class with the Cape Buffalo, Lion or Elephant nor do they have the same will to live after being shot...A bear will normally go down at each shot, then get up and that gives the hunter time to shoot again..He will normally turn when hit...but I am sure there are exceptions to the rule and any charging animal is dangerous game. Bear can be killed pretty easily with an 06 for the most part..I just consider bear softies comparitively...

How many Brown Bears have you killed with an 30.06 Ray?

Those 30-06 guys who knock their brownies right down must be much better shots than me or the other two guys I've watched shoot Coastal Brown Bear. I used a .375 and it went thru both lungs (and maybe the heart, or at least some big bleeding vessel- the carcass stunk too much to do a detailed autopsy) right behind the shoulders. The two others I've seen shot were essentially similar (one .375 and one .338). Bullets were SAFs and a Partition.
All three bear did bite at the wound (about 1 second or less) and then they all ran like hell. Fortunately, in no case directly at the shooter although mine wasn't running at enough of an angle away to make me very relaxed at the time. I put another one into it breaking its shoulders as it went past (kind of lucky) and then it fell, but still thrashed until I brained it.
These runs were at least the equivalent of what little I've seen of buff (n = 2) after similar first hits.
I know they've killed lots of buff with a .308 FN or even a puny AK too, but I don't think that's a real valid analysis.
I just don't think of big Brown Bear as softies. Those 3 bear were not overly alarmed when shot. After some other close encounters of the a$$-puckering kind with PO'd ones up real close, I sure want more than an '06 in my hands. I'll give an update after next spring's bear hunt (assuming they leave me alone this fall while chasing moose). I carry a .416 in brown bear country now.

Gentlemen ----- I feel the need to reply to this post because I have had considerable exposure to the Big Brown Bears of Alaska, and limited exposure to the Dangerous game of Africa, nonetheless here goes. ----- My brother-in-law lived and worked in Alaska for two years and befriended a Bear guide and became his best bud while there. This guide came to my home state and hunted for 6 weeks and then I went up there and hunted with him, and in later years hunted more trips into Brown Bear country for Caribou, Moose, Wolfe, etc. I will list some incidents with Bears by me and friends. ----- A buddy shot a small 6' 6" Brown at 150 yards with a 7mm Rem three times in the shoulder, heart lung area, it was still coming and by 60 yards was focused on him. He had run out of cartridges in the rifle, picked up his .41 Magnum pistol and three shots later it dropped at 7 steps, still trying to get to my buddy. The pistol slugs never got past the hide and fat, but the rifle bullets had done their job finally. ----- My brother-in-law shot a charging 9 ft. Brown Bear at 40 yards with his 30-06 pump in the face and then put another in his heart, stopping him at 15 yards. As it turned out that Bear had a foot injury and was a very sick and mad sucker, waiting for the first thing to get mad at. ----- Another buddy, a native aleut, shot a Big Brown Bear at 100 yards with a 30-06, the Bear charged, and killed him before it died. It was shot fatally, but lived long enough to kill the shooter, for whatever reason he never fired another shot and had more cartridges in the magazine. ----- Now my own experience. Four members of the hunting, myself and another hunter, the guide and my brother-in-law as a backup gun. We were hunting in the Cold Bay area and that is where all these incidents happened. Third day of the hunt at first light as we started to climb a high ridge to gain spotting angles, we notice a Huge Big Brown feeding in a Salmon stream approx. 1/2 mile away. We stalked the Bear, who had evidently noticed us because it looked in our direction most of the stalk. When we got within 90 yards it was standing facing us, I put the crosshairs of the .300 Winny loaded with 200 brain handloaded Nosler Partitions on his chest and pulled the trigger. He feel with a great noisey splash, reminding me of a huge Oak tree falling. Next, all hell broke loose because at the shot three more Bears stood up all around us. They had been feeding in other branchs of the stream other than the one we had crawled up stalking my Bear. A caucauphany of noise occured immediately. The guide screamed, G-- D--- shoot Bears, the Bears all roared, I kept my Bear in my scope to be sure he stayed down, they shot two other Bears in the 8 ft. range and another 8 footer left with gusto. One Bear took 4 shots the other 5 shots with a .375, another .300 and a 30-06. For 20 seconds the noise level from us, the Bears and the scrambling around by us and the Bears was deafening to say the least. Then total quite, except for the dieing Bears last gasps. I don't think any of us spoke until the guide said, is everybody OK, then we all tried to speak at the same time. A cool young Bear guide and good shooting saved the day, but that day I gained a great deal of respect for the power and tenacity of a Bears will to live. The Bear that left sounded like a horse running on hard ground and he threw sod weighing 5 lbs into the air behind him for a couple hundred yards. We were tagged for three Bears, but didn't want them to come at the same time, it takes four hours to properly skin a Large Brown, if you do each paw and the head. Ray, I dare say if you had witnessed that scene you would say the Brown Bear has a tremendous will to live. I hunted the Farewell Burn for Moose and got up close and personal to more Bears. I hunted Lake Illiamna for Caribou and Wolfe and saw 69 Bears in 6 days, two weeks before Treadwell and his girlfriend were eaten near there. So much for my Bear experience. ----- My African experience consist of one hunt, one Buffalo, three plains game species. My Buffalo was a two shot kill at 80 yards with a .416 Rem using 370 grains of Northfork soft and solid. I felt more exposed later that day when we got within 25 yards of 100 head of Buffalo for ten minutes and didn't take a shot because we saw nothing as big as I already had, they eventually bolted. I hit a Buffalo I did not recover, but the trailing job was tight to say the least, getting within 60 yards of the wounded Bull and not getting a put away shot before he bolted away. ----- My perspective from these experiences is Great respect for the Big Bears and African dangerous game. In my opinion the Big Brown Bear would stand up to anything in Africa except the Elephant. He would take the Lion handely, out weighing him by more than twice. An experiment in California in the late 1880's with a Bear and Lion states the Bear downed the Lion in three seconds, bowled him over and that was the end of the Lion. One on One the hungery Bear would take the Buffalo, catching him so fast it would make your head swim. Now I do not feel the Bear would withstand a Buffalo full charge, but he would dodge and catch him from the side and it would soon be over. ----- Bottom line in my limited opinion, is you better give that Bear his respect or you might get supprised. Good shooting.

I have not shot a brown bear with a 30-06, butI have witnessed bear kills with the 30-06, dug out the bullets and observed the results... Phil Shoemaker whom I book for has shot a ton of them with the 30-06 and stopped more than a few charges..He likes the 30-06...Others of my clients have shot their bear with the 30-06 and reported excellent results. Phil recommends the 06 in his brochure as a minimum caliber for Brown bear as do others in the business..Thats good enough for me to come to a conclusion and an opinnion...

I will add that for the sake of conversation and reasoning behind my opine is that I have on film one cape buffalo being shot 9 time with 470 and 500 N.E. and another 13 times all on the same hunt....I have dug out a 375 Caliber swift that penitrated both lungs and was found under the off side skin in a grisel ball, that bull was fat and had completely healed...Richard Lemmer and I shot a bull last year at 125 yards, my .470 Northfork hit him square in the chest and came out behind the shoulder, His 500 gr. Swift hit him in the hip and came out behind the same shoulder, no blood and a that bull went 5 miles before the Lions killed him and Pierre and Saeed found him the next day, that pictur was posted here...In my opinnion no bear can take that kind of abuse, only the bovine animals can do that...

I have a great respect for the great bears, but this was a thread on the ability to take a whippen and the Cape Buffalo is in a class by itself....

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Those of you that have hunted Grizzly bears in the U.S/Canada and DG in Africa what animals scared you the most? can Grizzly Bear hunting be compared to hunting dangerous game in Africa?

I posted the quote above from the starter post on this thread because I don't think the starter of the thread asked the question you seem to think he did, Ray. I will grant you that a two thousand pound Cape buffalo charged with adrenalin will take more sheer power to put down than a seven hundred pound mountain grizzly, all things being equal (which they seldom are). Personally, scared is scared. I have been in both situations; griz and buff. While my buffalo took eleven shots to subdue, my palms were not any less sweaty and my knees were not any weaker than in at least one confrontation with a black bear, let alone a grizzly.

Of course, if we are looking for absolutes, I am not sure any exist in this area. Stalking a wounded buff in the scrub bush is no fun. Neither is stalking a wounded bear in thick brush. I am sincerely hoping that I have had my last close encounter with a pissed off critter that wants to kill me.

Ray ----- My Aleut buddy six feet under in Alaska laughed at anyone using anything bigger than a 30-06 when hunting Bears, and so did my brother-in-law. The former before his death and the later after his charge at 40 yards. My buddy can no longer laugh at anybody and my brother-in-law now says at least a .338 Win mag. ----- Most people call the Brown a Grizzly regardless of location but the Grizzly by Boone and Crockett standards is 75 miles inland and in from that, and is quite smaller when compared to the coastal Brown, 75 miles and out to the coast. Both Bears are the same Genus Species, but has the Brown has an unlimited fish diet in the fall, thus the coastal Bear gets much larger. The Big Bears can grow to 1200 pounds plus and at that size are quite formidable, especially when mad or very hungry. I agree that the Buffalo can soak up lead, I witnessed that, but that mad Bear would not be there long enough to soak up much lead, he would be on you in six seconds at 100 yards, or going the other way. The trouble is you never know what Bear you have in front of you, the same as the Buff. I have great respect for both and I don't want to hunt either with a 30-06 if I have a choice, and I don't think you would either. Good shooting.

Thanks guys,I think any wounded,pissed off animal that wants to kill you is not going to be much fun.After watching Saeed 2003/04 DVDs those cape buff do take some killing!!The only way to answer my question is for me to go and hunt these aniamls and find out for myself.

Ray;
I just went to your site and Phil Shoemaker is no longer there? Is my puter screwed up?
I think your old site said Phil lived in the "bush" year round. Is this correct?
Before I take a 30-06 out for Brn Bear, I want to know who is advising it. If Phil does in fact live in the "bush" year round, I will put more credecence to using a 30-06 for Brn Bear.

I thought I remember reading that Phil Shoemaker carries a .458. Maybe he ran out of 30'06 ammo, or that rifle quit working?

Phil should be on my web sight...Yes, he lives most of the year in the bush in his cabin, with his wife and daughter and son Taj...I think Taj is hunting up North lately, and helps dad out from time to time...

Phil is a gun nut, gun editor Successful hunter, and contributor to many other gun magazines, He owns and uses a bunch of guns, 458, 505, 416, 30-06 and others...His brochure states a 30-06 is the minimum recommended rifle and Phil, like myself, believes the 06 capable of killing any animal on this earth, but neither of us use it as a back up rifle with a client...He used it for years as a backup rifle and he is still among the liveing....I know many African PHs that use the 06 to shoot Buffalo and Lion when they hunt for themselves without a client..

If anyone wants me to prove the effectiveness of a 30-06 with a 220 gr. Nosler or 220 gr. Woodleigh solid, just pay for the hunt and forward your invitation! I will shoot and kill whatever with it and you can film it or my demise, if I lose the wager then collect the price of the hunt from a pre set up account...

I have hunted all my life, and the one thing I believe is this caliber business is the invention of folks who are hyping a service or just plain have no clue, these animals are not Sherman Tanks, they are flesh and blood and they die when any decently constructed bullet is placed in the correct spot..end of story, the rest is BS.....

Ray:
I'm don't mean to kick ass and take names here, just trying to get stuff straight.
If we are going to use a person for reference, we need to know something about that person.
Writers are a dime a dozen, Phils prose means nothing to me. I'm not saying he is not knowledgable, I'm just saying anyone can write a story.
I did find your advertisement for his hunts.
One small point, you say "Phil Shoemaker, who lives in the bush year-round."
Phil made a post on June 17 on this site which says," I'll be heading back to my homestead on the Alaska Peninsula this weekend until the end of bear season." From that statement, I think he lives on Becherof Lake during Bear season then goes to his other home in Wasilla/Palmer for the rest of the year?
In Alaska, we don't consider Wasilla/Palmer as "the bush". Am I incorrect in this? Does he in fact live "in the bush" year round or does he live in Wasilla/Palmer half of the year? Maybe your Ad should say, "Full time Alaskan resident."
Another small matter, I don't think the Federal Government or the State of Alaska ever offered "Homesteads" on Becherof Lake. I'm not sure about this one, I'm checking on it.
I wonder how many acres of land he cleared and what he planted on it? That was one of the requirements for obtaining a "homestead" from the Government.
I apologize for going off on a tangent here, but I thought it was important.

we seem to be off on many tangents....
The original post was something about "how scary are these animals...."
whether a 30-06 is the minimum recommended, with a PH or guide backing you up, or will kill this or that is tangential. I suspect you can kill an elephant with a .223 if you hit it right. again, lots of buff have been killed with AK. a repeated story tells of an eskimo woman who killed a grizz with a .22
again, the original point is what is scarier. I've been around both, maybe not as much as some authorities here.
I've been down the Kejulik river, where I believe Shoemaker has his lodge, homestead or whatever. Lots of very big bear.
Anyone who wants to hunt one with a .22, go for it!
When these often very aggressive, cantankorous, territorial, and mean, largest predators in the world come roaring out of alders 10 yards away, while you're going to the loo, a 30-06 is not big enough for me. Is this scary? It sure is to me, but maybe other guys shrug that stuff off. Yes, a .243 with solids will kill it if you hit it right, but I'd just as soon live thru the encounter. I want the biggest cannon I can carry.
Each to their own. I've been around both, and big coastal brown bears scare me the most.

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can Grizzly Bear hunting be compared to hunting dangerous game in Africa?

Yes, anytime an inraged animal has his sights on you with the intention of grave harm to the intruder. Does not matter if it is a Buff, Brown bear or domestic dog! What matters is how you handle the situation with hopefully the necessary tools. Gentlemen, many big bears have been kill with varmint calibers as I imagine many African DG have as well. The point I would like to enlighten us with is yes a 30-06 is capable of dispatching great bit boars and bovines. However, is this you preferred choice? Not mine! I have been fortunate to take two big Brown bears from "Wide Bay" on the Alaskan Pennisula while serving in the Alaskan theater! The first required 5 shots with no real threat of danger!
The 2nd I was alone and shot 9 times with the last four shots within 30 feet in an alder thicket! Now, having said that. My first bear I used a 338 WM, 2nd one with a 375 Wea Mag chambered Sako. If I go again I will carry my .416 Rem Mag. My point is I was impressed with the ability of the bruins to survive that after each hunt I kept securing a bigger rifle with more bulk and steam. The author of this post asked which animal scared you the most. Each and every situation is different. The most I have been scared is looking down and seeing a coiled cotton mouth within a foot of my leg. Hunters I pose a question to you, when you were in dangerous game situations did you have time to get scared, I bet not? Most likely your adrenal gland kicked into high gear and you performed to the top of your ability! If not I bet you would start looking for a new sport to engage for your recreational follies! However, after all hell has settled down and the beast eyes have glazed I bet most experience the normal aftermath of the adrenal loss: weak knees, shaky hands or high pitched speech! Scared? Hell no! Excited? Hell yes! Want to go shoot another right now? Nope! Later in the day or months of time when we have replayed and reacted in our minds of the day we fell the beast! The Neanderthal genes have readied us to go into the field again to hunt the beast once more!

Last Note! If you are scared stay home with the ladies! If you have a great respect for the critters and learned from previous adventures to remain vigilant and cautious. Then you are a brave and smart hunter! I salute the hunters!

Ray you mentioned PHs often use the 30-06 to hunt buff when not with a client. I hunt moose in either Ak,BC or the Yukon nearly every late September. Always in grizzly territory and most times guided.
I've been with guides that carried 458 Win Mags, but the majority carry 308, 30-06 and mostly beat up 30-30 Wins.
The finest mountain guide I've ever known Danny Deserly (sp) guided for Gary & sandra Vince till Gary sold to Olmstead now works for him. Danny told me he NEVER has owned a rifle caliber larger than 30-30 and he hunts every day of every season now pushing 60 yrs of age!

A big lion can bring down and kill a Cape buffalo all by himself, but if you put that same lion in a cage with a big grizzly, I'll guarantee that you when it's all over, the grizzly will be the one that walks out in one piece, not the lion.

I've seen grizzlies pull off stuff that a lion could NEVER achieve, including turning over huge boulders with ONE paw looking for a marmot, boldly taking a moose form a whole pack of wolves, running straight up a steep mountain without drawing a hard breath, etc.

I also guarantee you, and I've been charged by a grizzly myself, that any grizzly -- even a smallish sow -- can create pucker and can kill you as just as dead as you're ever going to get --just as dead as by any buffalo or lion -- and from what I've seen, grizzlies are harder to kill than any of the cats........

AD

Any animal that is really big, or has big teeth, big claws, a poison sack connected to fangs or a big trunk scare me. The one that gets to you is the really scary one. You can't take chances with any of them. A little bit of bad luck, a small mistake or a poor shot can get you killed. As they said on Hill Street Blues " Let's be careful out there!"

465H&H

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The finest mountain guide I've ever known Danny Deserly (sp) guided for Gary & sandra Vince till Gary sold to Olmstead now works for him. Danny told me he NEVER has owned a rifle caliber larger than 30-30 and he hunts every day of every season now pushing 60 yrs of age!

Did you see Wynwood while you were hunting there?

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Trapntrav: I hunted Muskwa with Gary & Sandra Vince in early October 1990 ( the Vince's have since sold ) hunting both the Muskwa and Prophet River camps with a guide named Danny Deserly(?). Passed on a smallish inland grizzly, killed a 58" moose (25 pts 19" palms) on the famed "Prophet shelf", a mtn caribou and a med. sized 6x6 elk (this was shortly after the area had gone to pt restriction on elk). My 14 day hunt wasa cut short due to a forest fire in the area an the RCMP forced evacuation of all camps,residents,etc.
Gary ran a top notch camp, good equipment, food, guides. But he himself had little personality.
I am wondering why you asked? Wyn

TJ,
I am just passing on information from conversations I have had with Phil over the years, his opinnions and mine, that's all..except it or doubt it..

As for all the other questions regarding where Phil lives etc. you can contact phil at Grizskins@worldnet.att.net

Mr Helms: Muskwa Safaris/owned by the Vince's was one of the top outfitters in BC booked years in advance. Their specialty was Stone Sheep and the likes of John Wooters, Jim Zumbo,etc hunted with them. How do you expect me to know if your wnywood hunted there?

Cats,

I think you know why Charles Helm was asking you about Wynwood.

-Bob F.

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Posted 04-08-2005 11:44 AM - Originally posted by cats:
Faucett what makes you so certain others don't peg you for a wannabe?
Have you ever given serious thought that many posters here are casual African hunters to begin with? Comments such as you made refer to anyone whom does not list African species at the forefront of their hunting goals only proves your shallow egotism.
I myself have only hunted Africa once to date, though I've hunted extensively throut NA. In truth I enjoyed my mountain hunts on my homeland than I did my trip to Africa. not to say i won't go back to Africa, hell i've got the deposits paid as I type.
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Posted 05-07-2005 6:39 PM - Originally posted by cats:
I've never been to Africa ,at least not to hunt. Yesterday at a 4th cookout I mentioned I am going soon getting some strange looks and questions.
My favorite: You're not going to shoot a kangaroo are you? This from a 28 year old college grad.
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Kathi Posted 10-07-2005 2:55 PM

Cats,

Send me a PM with your phone number. We can discuss flight options and the cost of business class tickets.

Kathi

kathi@wildtravel.net

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cats Posted 10-07-2005 5:03 PM

It is sent, thanks

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DRG Posted 29-06-2005 7:50 PM
Our buddy Wynwood was on an AOL IP..the same block that CATS is now logging in under. Let me say I have no proof CATS is another reincarnation of Wynwood, I am just pointing out the trouble you have trying to ban an IP block, and often when you log out and then back in the ISP will give you a new IP (at least the last few digits).

It's not an exact science.

Sorry CATS to use you as an example, but all your posts to date on our forum seem to be in topics that contain Wynwood.

Probably just coincidence.

Don

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So cats, did you go on your first hunt in Africa between July 10 and August 4 of this year? You sure seemed to be asking Kathi about tickets rather late (on July 10) if you've already been and come back. How long have you been back from your first hunting trip to Africa? How about posting some pics from your hunt?

-Bob F.

BFaucett you asked a sensible question so I shall reply to it. No I was not looking with my inquire to Kathi for this season rather next. like I posted earlier. I have been in RSA and Namibia as well as Zimbabawe on company sponsored trips (their dimes, we produce Barillium building rolling mills) wherein I had the pleasure to hunt after the normal meeting/workshops of the day. But that's a long way from a true safari, I think you'll agree with that. I am going back to Namibia next August with the sole purpose of hunting (my dime).
I'll let you in on another little secret...... that IP stuff means jack, just ask Don stated. That is one of the largest misconseptions of the internet particularly with the advance of wireless networks/systems (have you ever heard of a neighbor logging on thru your wireless system because you did not secure yours,yep it happens every minute) hate to burst a few of the poster's bibbles but that is a fact.

see I just did it to prove a point

It is getting harder to tell the players without a scorecard. Still easy to identify the trolls, though.

Patrkyhntr; don't worry I have no intention of using Seamus's screen name. It was a name I produced to prove the point. Though there truly is a Seamus C. Doegan from county Paisley,Scotland, my true uncle. cats

cats,

I'm a Systems Admin where I work so I know a little bit about this IP stuff. Just creating a new user name and posting under it doesn't prove or disprove anything.

Now, in my post above, this time I was pointing out the possbile connection to wynwood. As Don said in his post that I quoted, "Sorry CATS to use you as an example, but all your posts to date on our forum seem to be in topics that contain Wynwood." So, it's not like you haven't seen threads where the name wynwood was mentioned even though you responded to Charles Helm with, "How do you expect me to know if your wnywood hunted there?"

I also noticed in your reply that you responded to that part of my post that was questioning your Africa trips but that you did not acknowledge the part about wynwood. You seem to be ducking that point. And this even after Charles Helm (above) had raised this question of wynwood also:


Originally posted by Charles_Helm:

quote:

Originally posted by cats:
The finest mountain guide I've ever known Danny Deserly (sp) guided for Gary & sandra Vince till Gary sold to Olmstead now works for him. Danny told me he NEVER has owned a rifle caliber larger than 30-30 and he hunts every day of every season now pushing 60 yrs of age!

quote:

Originally posted by wynwood:
Trapntrav: I hunted Muskwa with Gary & Sandra Vince in early October 1990 ( the Vince's have since sold ) hunting both the Muskwa and Prophet River camps with a guide named Danny Deserly(?). Passed on a smallish inland grizzly, killed a 58" moose (25 pts 19" palms) on the famed "Prophet shelf", a mtn caribou and a med. sized 6x6 elk (this was shortly after the area had gone to pt restriction on elk). My 14 day hunt wasa cut short due to a forest fire in the area an the RCMP forced evacuation of all camps,residents,etc.
Gary ran a top notch camp, good equipment, food, guides. But he himself had little personality.
I am wondering why you asked? Wyn

Now, if you're legit then I apologize for all of this. However, things do seem a little suspicious.

-Bob F.