I did not reply as to wnywwod because I had replied to that several times in the past. Those whom choose to believe I am or am not mr wnywood are not going to be swayed with anything else I post on the matter.
Your point about delete temp. files/cookies new screen name is a different matter completely as to what I spoke. As a systems manager I know you are aware of first generation ISP tagging, no secrets there but you also know that is first generation technology while the field has advanced.
Let me explain better what it was I spoke of previously. Your neighbor moves a wireless/remote system into his home. He does not protect that system as he should. Let us say he is using AOL as his IP, while you use none or Eathlink,etc. with your new laptop wireless. I believe you know what is happening. Basically you are riding along for free if within range though your own link is not secure (as in to be used for personal banking,etc)
Now place yourself in an enviorment of 2500 townhomes in a condensed area and bingo! Couple that with a local school district within walking distance that has just updated to ALL wireless and dbl bingo!!
I have nothing to hide, you have a question as to my personal imfo ask I'll answer it or if I think it is of no business of anyone's I'll ignore it. What burns my butt are the handful of posters on this site whom project a pompous if not eliteist attitude to anyone they deem "not qualified" or worse yet use Colonial East African egotism to trash 90% of the remaining balance of posters to this site. One pompous ass has asked me ...no dared me to post pictures of my NA and African hunting trophies. I will not do it just to fry his ass.

I have had dinner with a few posters on this site, spoken to a few others by phone. They all know my idenity;name address,etc. and frankly they're about the only people on this site I care to have know that .
One of the funniest items I have found is how many times I get PMed by some posters talking about me when they think they are talking to someone else, trying to find out whom I am like a bunch of old women at a church social.
So Bob you have a question as to anything I have not answered my email address is listed, fire away! cats

My uncle stood a grizzly charge many years go.

He had killed an elk late, hung it in a tree overnight (cold weather), and went back with a horse to get the meat the next morning.

He found the bear on the elk carcass. It charged at something less than 50yds.

He was carrying a Savage 99 in .300 Savage. He emptied the rifle, dropping the bear within feet of where he stood.

The next week he bought a .375 H&H.

Ray:
Not a problem, I was just courious why your site says he lives there full time and his latest post says different.

last year i went deer hunt, i arriwed on sunday but on sunday we couldnt go hunt deer because season starts on monday so we decided to clean a trail ,i was in group with old man,i told him that we should bring a rifle,20 minut after we spot big black bear,i could hear my heart in my ears,bear was aproching slowly ,all what i have was pocket knive and chainsaw,so i made some noise with chainsaw ,that finally convinced him that he is on wrong way,no more going into woods in bear country ever

This might win the award for longest revived dead post. Wow.

Pretty sure he's reached back farther than this...it's always the same guy.

Is he Shootaway's cousin or something?

Why does it always take me ten minutes of reading five year old commentary before I realize I'm knocking the dust off an antique thread.

Ugh!

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
This might win the award for longest revived dead post. Wow.

I started to jump in on this one and then I read two posts by "Cats" who has not posted on AR since 2006. I almost started to welcome him back! 2005 topic, OMG!

I've never hunted in africa yet but i know that i would much rather lock horns with a wounded buffalo than a wounded bear. Even if they were not wounded I would still not wanna get in an up close and personal situation with a bear. From what I've read buffalo have killed alot of people I'm sure more than bears have but I know more people walk away from an attack by a buffalo than they do an attack by a bear. But it should be obvious anyway I mean one is a predator and one is prey.

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Originally posted by safari-lawyer:
Why does it always take me ten minutes of reading five year old commentary before I realize I'm knocking the dust off an antique thread.

Ugh!

+1

I knew something was up when I saw Ray Atkinson posting!

Brett

I have hunted lion but not grizzly. If it would be a choice of lion or black bear, black bear far less dangerous hands down. If it was a choice of lion or grizzly, it might be a toss up. I would lean toward the lion being more dangerous. Grizzly or buffalo, I would take on the buffalo any day.

(Why did I have to jump in on this 5 year old topic?)

Aussie, it's your fault!

I am now waiting to hear from Ray and Cats!

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
This might win the award for longest revived dead post. Wow.

Not even close, while three years is impressive, this guy has pulled up one over 9 yrs old. He is world class in his thread mining.

Well, may as well comment on the subject...

I have shot all of the afore-mentioned animals. I would say the most dangerous is grizz for two reasons:

1. I think most PHs are better at stopping charging animals than Alaskan guides, but this is not based on observation - just my opnion. African PHs undoubtedly have more experience with dangerous game than do Alaskan guides.
2. If you are a resident, you can hunt grizz on your own. I shot mine all by myself. Following up on him in brush was exciting but he was dead maybe 20 yards into the brush.
3. The climate of Alaska has the potential to kill you. Flying in Alaska is infinitely more dangerous. I suspect more hunters die in plane crashes in AK than are killed by bears.

But the question need only be asked if you wound the animal in question. And in the end, the answer to the question is probably documented somewhere. How many hunters die each year in Africa vs Alaska?

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:I would say the most dangerous is grizz...

So if I read between the lines here, what you are basically saying is that you think Mark Sullivan is AFRAID to let a grizzly decide how he wants to die.

Humm, interesting opinion.

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Originally posted by Bill C:

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:I would say the most dangerous is grizz...

So if I read between the lines here, what you are basically saying is that you think Mark Sullivan is AFRAID to let a grizzly decide how he wants to die.

Humm, interesting opinion.

Oh, Bill, don't get us started!!

I can see the next video now, instead of "Black Death at My Feet" it will be "Brown Stuff on My Boots!"

Right up there with the bears, lions, etc. in dangerous game are the keyboard kings on the "Political Forum" ! !

Man, when you venture into that territory you will experience a range of feelings: a rush of adrenaline, personal fear of the homicidal thoughts you might have; you might even lose control of your bodily functions as the danger (the more you read) grows.

Elephants, Lions, buffalo, leopards and bears. When you are after any of them in their terrain and they are waiting for you it really does not matter which one is "the most dangerous" as all of them possess the ability to kill you. It is sort of like cage fighting among the top competitors where if you make any mistake, any of them could win.

TJ, you seem hung up on whether or not I live year around in the bush. I own two parcals of land in Becharof Nat Wildlife. Our 40 acre homestead that our family calls home and a 5 acre "headquarters site" that we also hunt from.
We raised our children there and lived there year around for years - which is what Ray was referring to - but as they have grown and also work on their own part of the year we tend to move up to our state homestead near Circe hot Springs in the winter months. Out Wasilla address is our "corporate" address and the address of an old friend who forwards our mail and answers the phone while we are in camp.
Hope that answers your questions

As for my use of the 30-06 - I have used it on quite a few big bears over the past thirty years but when I have to actually dig a wounded one out of the pucker brush I prefer my .458

As for who I am, I have been hunting big bears here on the peninsula for the past quarter of a century

James - you know you're going to end up hunting elephants. Go on....

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
I have not shot a brown bear with a 30-06, butI have witnessed bear kills with the 30-06, dug out the bullets and observed the results... Phil Shoemaker whom I book for has shot a ton of them with the 30-06 and stopped more than a few charges..He likes the 30-06...Others of my clients have shot their bear with the 30-06 and reported excellent results. Phil recommends the 06 in his brochure as a minimum caliber for Brown bear as do others in the business..Thats good enough for me to come to a conclusion and an opinnion...

Even though this is a very old thread, and Ray is no longer around here, I will make a comment on his post now that it has been revived.

I think Ray was saying one thing and Phil was saying something else here.

Saying the 30-06 is "MINIMUM" for Brown bear, is not, in my opinion, recommending the 30-06 for hunting brown bear. I believe the 30-06 is the absolute MINIMUM for brown bear.

I'm certainly not insinuating that I have anywhere near the experience with any bear that Phil Shoemaker has, however I have been in the willows with those big bear, and I hunt everything in coastal Alaska with a 375 H&H, simply because the bears are there in those willows.
Speaking of people who know something about Brown Bear, I was told by a person who is a Alaska game department employee, that a full 80% of the people who are mauled or killed by a brown Bear that has been shot before the attack, the bear was shot with one of the 30 caliber cartridges, and were usually resident hunters, rather than out-of-staters.
Most knowledgeable resident bear hunters in Alaska the weapon of choice is a 338 Win Mag, and for a large percentage the 375 H&H gets the nod! Phil uses a 458 Win Mag most of the time when he has a client hunter in tow!

Certainly the old 30-06 will kill any bear that ever lived with a good bullet put in the right place, and is OK in open tundra, but stopping one in the willows,or coastal rain forest after he has a hole poked in his gut, is another story all together IMO!

In the final analysis, you may use what you want, as long as it is legal, and you are willing to accept the results of that choice! Mine will be a 375 H&H MINIMUM!

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Originally posted by MacD37:
I think Ray was saying one thing and Phil was saying something else here.

My first thoughts when I read Ray's post were "doesn't Phil use a .458 WM called Old Ugly and have 458 Win on his license plate?"

Troy

We once blundered upon a grizzly kill in Alaska. The grizz was there still. While we had no clue the kill or the bear were there & were certainly not pushing. The bear didn't like it. He came straight for us. I firmly believe he meant business. I shot him in the head with my 375. Fortunately, I had a tag. Even I didn't, I would have shot him any way as I am 100% convinced he was going to kill someone.

I personally would not feel comfortable hunting grizzly with my 30-06. I would rather use my 375.

Being a "thick" Irishman, I always jump into fights I would be better advised to stay out of! I read ICUdoc's commentary -and immediately felt agreement -even though I never confronted a brown bear or grizzly - but did hunt blacks -and did shoot one Cape buff. The bear is a critter that confronted close up gives an impression that he means to kill you -just for getting in his way. (I put a smiley but I mean a serious point -and to let those guys who have confronted a bear in that situation know that I agree with them) I guess that what's more "dangerous" depends on the circumstances of the moment. I shot my buff at something between 30-35 yards as he started to turn towards me(he saw me always) "Dangerous"? Obviously at that moment in time I wasn't thinking about "danger". So, maybe trying to match up uneven and dissimilar game situations is really like trying to match apples and pears.

While in caribou camp in northern Quebec I met a young Inuit lad that killed a polar bear with a single shot ...... from a .223.

I asked him were he hit it and he answered in the heart.

I then asked him how long did he hide from the bear before it expired and he just smiled.

Rumor was he got $10,000 for the hide from someone in France.

If you saw the condition of the rifles these guys use, you would wonder that they were actually operational let alone accurate.

While I do carry a 458 when I know I may have to follow up a wounded bear , I have done it many (probably too many) time with my 30-06. Still, it does work, even for backup. Here is a shot of one I had to follow up and stop a charge with my 30-06

Phil,

I never fail to be impressed by that first picture. It says it all.