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Personally, the show is most of the draw but it has to be in a place I would kind of want to go in the first place. If I had a hunt scheduled in Texas in the right time frame, I would stop by DSC. unfortunately Dallas really doesn't turn my crank as a place to visit (even my Texan friends try and get me to go to Corpus or some place on the coast... and if they say avoid Dallas...) I have heard enough good about how it is run to want to go sometime. But Vegas has stuff I find interesting to see, even if it isn't the main attraction. In any case, for me, the biggest issue for which show is that most of the folks I know that I would like to meet up with either go to both, or go to SCI. | |||
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You have it brother. I go to see my friends. It is that simple. Granted I also like to buy a few things that are not readily available here. I like to go hiking at Red Rock. I like some of the restaurants. I almost never book a hunt there. I wait and let the agent do it. I sure as hell and not going to one of the SCI self flagellation awards dinners. Had a hell of a good time at the DSC dinner we went to though. | |||
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You are right about Dallas from a tourist perspective. I just do DSC because it's in my backyard. I might do SCI one day to see the size. DSC blows me away, but I remember when it was in hotel ballrooms. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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I guess I'm pretty much a newbie compared to others. 11 SCI shows vs one DCS. But here's my take. I look at it now like BColyer indicates in his post. It's become more of a reunion where I meet and visit with a whole host of people I've met and hunted with in one capacity or another over the years. It's what I do in February. I can visit face-to-face with people from all over the world who hold the same passions. For those of you who go to Dallas every year, the same can be said of DCS, of course. For the record, I had a wonderful experience at my one and only DCS show. It just wasn't SCI, and it was Dallas in January. SCI is bigger, and brighter, and holds more interest. It is THE biggest trade show in the hunting / fishing, adventure travel industry. Kind of like going to the original Yankee Stadium, Lambeau or Wrigley fields, or Boston Gardens. At least for me. And it's a more efficient way of keeping up with the industry. As big as DCS is, it's still not SCI. There are media and other marketing / publishing concerns at SCI you will not find at DCS. Snobbery? In the eyes of the beholder. I don't see it, but I literally pay no attention to any of the SCI activities beyond the silent auctions. I go to the show merely to enjoy the show. In my view, venues are relevant, too. Dallas is a great town, but there's not much to do there in January. In Vegas I always budget time for golf, the Kreighoff clays shoot, and for the last 2 years, a show in the evening. Can't do that in Dallas, and with the exception of some cheesy lounge shows in Reno, there isn't much to do there beyond the show, either. Not keen to see SCI in Reno for the next two years. Just my views. Good hunting, and the very best to you all....... TWL 114-R10David | |||
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This has been informative. I have flights done, excess baggage fee paid, room booked at the Luxor cause the admiral is staying there. Now I need to decide to rent a car and pay the $400 to attend sci. Mike | |||
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Baretta628E......pm sent | |||
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Be sure and look up shootacow, who is also staying there. Y'all can hang out together Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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I will pass  Mike | |||
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If you haven't been there then how can you comment on SCI? I have never been to DSC. SCI is a big show, biggest show I have ever been to. Like any big show, it is a pretty hard core sales pitch, and if they feel you don't have the bucks to show for it they will move on to the next 40 people standing next to their booth. I have heard other shows are the same. I went to FNAWS, and a show in Australia. I think it is a show mentality. | |||
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Jerry, thank for leaving me out of that one....  | |||
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I usually do the SCI show because it it like a family reunion - without all the drama - of like minded PH's, guides, clients, hunters, gun makers and collectors from all over the globe. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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See you all tomorrow! | |||
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Yep and we usually get all of the friends our money can buy...via deposits.... | |||
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It's going to be 67 degrees and Severe Clear today light breeze...Beautiful!! If you are driving, you also have convenient parking under the convention center....$10 for the Day....used to be free...but all of the Casinos are charging for parking these days!! Cheers, 470EDDY | |||
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True but all of ones friends are not necessarily in the business. A hell of a lot of them I met as a result of AR. | |||
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FIRST ATTENDED SCI IN 1985 THEN FULL TIME FROM 1996-2014 , SO CALL IT 20 YEARS . DALLAS 1996 TO 2013. 18 YEARS . LOVED SCI IN THE BEGINING AND DALLAS , THE BUZZ WAS FANTASTIC THE HUNTERS BUYING AND BIG GAME WAS THE FLAVOR. SCI WAS MOTIVATED AND INTERACTIVE , DALLAS WAS TRYING WITH GRAY THORNTON BUILDING A GREAT CLUB. SINCE 2009 ONE CAN SAY THE ANTI'S BEGAN THEIR WAR AGAINST TROPHY HUNTING AND THEIR SUCCESS IS EVIDENT TODAY IN HOW MUCH OF AFRICA IS EITHER CLOSED OR LIMITED. BOTH SCI AND DSC WERE ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL AND WHAT WAS A INCREDIBLE INDUSTRY HAS STEADILY BEEN DEGRADED BY IN FIGHTING , CANNED HUNTING , MADE FOR TV CELEBS, AND A NEW GENERATION WHO VALUE CELL PHONES AND TABLETS MORE THAN THE OUTDOORS. I HAVE WITNESSED SCI FALL FROM HUNTER ATTENDANCE OF 25 000 TO UNDER 10 000 WITH FIGURES TO INCLUDE EXHIBITORS AND DISCOUNTED ENTRANCE FEES TO GET FIGURES UP. I HAVE WATCHED DSC GROW FROM 300 EXHIBITORS TO 1400 BOOTHS. BOTH BLIND TO MARKET FORCES AND CHANGES OF THE HUNTING LANDSCAPE AND POLITICS. I HAVE ATTENDED BOTH SCI AND DSC FUNCTIONS - I HAVE STOOD AND CLAPPED AND WATCHED A WHOLE FUNCTION ROOM CRY WHEN STORMING NORMAN SPOKE , I SAT GOB SMACKED LISTENING TO VICE PRESIDENT SPEAK AND WONDERED HOW THE LIBERALS BEAT THIS INCREDIBLE GUY , I LISTENED TO PRESIDENT BUSH SPEAK ABOUT HIS INCREDIBLE WIFE , AND SAT WITH THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR AT LANCE PHILIPS TABLE AT DSC, I HAVE WATCHED THE CABLE GUY , I HAVE LAUGHED AT MYSELF LISTENING TO JEFF FOXWORTHY'S "YOU KNOW YOU A RED NECK ..." , HAVE WATCHED MY DONATION HUNTS EXCEED SALE VALUE IN THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS , HAVE SAT AT DINNER TABLES AT THE DSC FUNCTION WITH WAR VETS AND 600 YARD SNIPER CLUB MEMBERS , HAVE BUMPED INTO TOM SELLECK , WATCHED BO DERECK WALK PAST MY BOOTH WITH PRESIDENT BUSH , HAVE CRAWLED INTO AND OUT OF MORE PUBS IN RENO , DALLAS AND LV THAN ANY IN AFRICA, HAVE BOUGHT BRACELETS FOR MY WIFE AND ENOUGH RAFFLE TICKETS TO FUND A DOUBLE RIFLE , HAVE BOUGHT THINGS I COULD NOT GET BACK TO AFRICA ON AUCTION , HAVE SMOKED MORE NON CUBAN CIGARS THAN i OUGHT TO HAVE IN LV AND DALLAS , HAVE BEEN TO THE RED BRICK BUILDINGS IN DALLAS AND MARVELLED AT HOW LHO MADE THOSE FATAL SHOTS , BEEN ABUSED AT DIRTY DICKS AND EATEN THE BEST STEAK IN DALLAS , HAVE WATCHED A PH COME SECOND IN A RODEO IN MESQUITE AND THEN HIT BILLY BOBS, AND LATER RED RIVER AND COWBOYS IN DALLAS, HAVE WATCHED BLUE MEN AND TOPLESS LADIES IN VEGAS , HAVE LOST MY WAGES IN LOST WAGES , HAVE DRIVEN A LAMBOURGHININ AND GOLFED AT LAKE LAS VEGAS. YES BOTH SHOWS ARE WHAT YOU MAKE OF THEM . | |||
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I did all the shows up until a couple of years ago, and I liked both, size wise not a lot of difference as far as whos there, most PH and Agents do both shows.. I always felt tha DSC was a warmer show, friendlier people, easy to get things fixed and they bend over backwards for everyone..Same for Huston and San Antonio, but they are smaller..Texans know how to entertain..Texas shows won't break your pocket book..They have better Bar B Que and Mexican food..not to mention La Chow (Argentina cousine) if your pocket book can stand it, It's plain awesome. Same PHs, same booking agents, same guides as SCI, I always book more hunts at Dallas, why? Texas is where the big money is and everyone in Texas owns guns and hunts. I admit to a certain amount of prejudice as Im a native son of the Lone Star State. As to the snobbery mention, I did SCI for a time with Jim Brockman Guns as we were friends, but we decided it got too big for two business actually 3 as I had some guns competing with him..We agreed on that. I tried to book and expected to be considered for a good table as that's how it works, and SCI in all their snobbery said no as I had no record of booking. They knew I had been paying Jim my part and he put the booths in his name, they admitted that. They were in their prime then.. SCi knew that, but rather than argue I told them to just forget it..That's the way they operated for years, arrogance beyond belief..It came back and bit them in the butt..They changed that attitude in a hurry, but too little too late and they have lost many, and the isles are no longer cramed full of people like it was back then..Folks like Butch Searcy quit going as did a lot of outfits.. The last years have been terrible by comparison so we will see what happens this year..I would hate to see them fold and hope in time things will get back to normal..Thats the way I see it, and today its a no problem with me, Im mostly retired and don't go to shows. BTW Dallas has continued to grow every year or so it seems to me, even during the Obama 8 year disaster.. I highly recommend Dallas as the top of the line and IMO a better show than SCI.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Heading to the show and joining sci and paying $400. After 9 years in Vegas - don't know if African hunting got like Vegas or Vegas got like Africa Hunting - but they are line item charges for everything. I already miss Macau. Mike | |||
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We will be good friends after our little sojourn in Asia in 2018!! And I do not have to pay you to be a friend! | |||
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We have better food in Vegas (14 Michelin Starred Chefs). | |||
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That is true. | |||
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$75 replacement fee to print a sci badge. I miss dsc. Mike | |||
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$400.... Is that what SCI charges for the show now?  There is NO WAY that is worth it..what was DSC? I don't even remember is was so reasonable. Maybe I'm just cheap, but C'mon man!!! | |||
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$20 Mike | |||
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Yep, and if you take your Spouse to SCI it's real money then for sure! I've taken my wife twice...we like going but it ain't cheap!!!! Airfare....lodging... then, even as a life member you get hit pretty hard to walk in | |||
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It is expensive. But over 4 days it is the same because hotels in dallas are so much more expensive. Aloft at $200 a night compared to Luxor at $65. Also Dallas I need to rent a car and pay $20 a day to park. Everything else in Vegas is much more expensive. I would not do sci in Reno - vegas it is okay as long as you don't lose your badge, Sci feels commercial Dsc is social Mike | |||
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Well, I think DSC is cheaper. Car? you don't need one. You can take the DART or TRE - about $5 each way. Or take an Uber. Hotel, there is a La Quinta a few blocks away under a $100 bucks a night. Entrance fee $20 day or less if you by more days then one day. Maybe I should have not said the La Qunita Hotel is under a $100, then where would I stay. | |||
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Bottle of non-fancy WATER and bag of Peanuts....$11BUCKS at LUXOR convenience shop!! Beer in the Mandalay Food Court $11BUCKS.... Two Donuts and coffee....$11Bucks... Go Figure!! Cheers, 470EDDY | |||
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I paid $15 for 2 cans of coke and a bottle of water. Well worth it. I ran into a few AR members and got to see some great guns. | |||
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I'm cheap (I suppose I would prefer frugal  ) and I admit it. I spend and have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on guns and hunts (mostly guns), but $400 to allow me to get into a trade show? Not in this lifetime. Which I am sure doesn't bother SCI at all, so we're both happy. I hope everyone enjoys their show.xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I don't know where $400 is coming from?? The 4 day show package was $275, and I assume that most folks are already members....yes, otherwise you do have to join and I recall that is $50/year?? Cheers, 470EDDY | |||
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FWIW, this is where I got the $400. However, $275 plus $50 is at least $200 more than I be willing to pay, not to mention $5 cokes, etc. I looked it up and not that it matters but the 4 day show package at the door is $335 plus a one yr membership fee (currently on sale for $35 but normally $65, so Mike's $400 fee is correct except for the sale on the membership fee. Your $275 fee is by purchasing in advance of Dec 6, 2016. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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. Dortmund - Europes biggest show with about 30.000 visitors over the week - but small vs SCI and DSC costs EUR 12- day (about USD 15-). What does the Sheep show cost ? . "Up the ladders and down the snakes!" | |||
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At sci auction I bought a 7 day - one hunter one observer plains game trip with mokore for $4k - includes a zebra and 2 impala. Pays for sci in my books. Mike | |||
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I can't believe all this whining about the costs. All from a bunch of guys booking hunts that might cost more than $50,000. If you don't like it don't go. You all have a choice. | |||
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....you're ruining our narrative that SCI is for rich elitist snobs that book high dollar hunts. Unlike DSC where rich down to earth folks book high dollar hunts. | |||
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Entertaining - where can you get this much entertainment for Free. But sometimes it just what you make of it. A year or so ago my wife and stayed at A Loft across the street from DSC. We got there and right away we saw this might not be place the the normal hunting crowd stays. But you know what - everything fell right in place and we had a great time at DSC and a great time in Dallas too. We got over to Javiers and it was over flowing with Astons and Bentleys and the like. Valet this big truck will ya. It was kind of cold that evening too and Javiers was jammed and running at least 1.5 hours behind for tables. We went in the bar and had fun talking to the guys and gals there and then we got seated in probably 30 minutes anyway. So it just depends on what you make of it. But I haven't been to SCI and I probably won't. One of these shows is enough for me per year anyway. | |||
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Very true. But it is fun to bitch about a $5 bag of chips or a $11 beer as we drink it. Food at sci is much better cause you can just walk into the Mandalay Bay food court. It's 25%-30% more than regular us prices (not NYC) but you are eating in a 5 star resort. Between Mandalay Bay, Four Season, Delano, Luxor - there are enough rooms for the whole sci show and at all price points. Sci at $400 walk-in is expensive especially for a trade show. But like dsc, sci can be more than a trade show - for gun nuts were is serious stuff to play with and fondle. Overall I am glad I attended both shows. Combined they are like $2-$2.5k - maybe more. But I enjoy them. Next year I may skip sci cause it goes to Reno. I will try to do dsc and hsc. Mike | |||
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