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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
Saeed, I might have some answers, but I believe it best as you say to let him answer for himself if he believes coming here is worth his while. After all AR is just a pimple on the ass of African hunting not the Alpha and Omega of African hunting.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
Saeed, I might have some answers, but I believe it best as you say to let him answer for himself if he believes coming here is worth his while. After all AR is just a pimple on the ass of African hunting not the Alpha and Omega of African hunting.

And the stinky white stuff that comes out of that pimple is you ha??

Anything you want to say, say it here ED, I am not going to answer any of your silly PMs.

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Originally posted by Leopardtrack:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
Saeed, I might have some answers, but I believe it best as you say to let him answer for himself if he believes coming here is worth his while. After all AR is just a pimple on the ass of African hunting not the Alpha and Omega of African hunting.

And the stinky white stuff that comes out of that pimple is you ha??

Anything you want to say, say it here ED, I am not going to answer any of your silly PMs.

Saeed, what are you complaining about...I got SEVEN PM's from him just yesterday

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Leopardtrack:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
Saeed, I might have some answers, but I believe it best as you say to let him answer for himself if he believes coming here is worth his while. After all AR is just a pimple on the ass of African hunting not the Alpha and Omega of African hunting.

And the stinky white stuff that comes out of that pimple is you ha??

Anything you want to say, say it here ED, I am not going to answer any of your silly PMs.

Saeed, what are you complaining about...I got SEVEN PM's from him just yesterday

Seven PMs in one day??

I am jealous already!

Of course, he knows I pay no attention to him.

He has become as irrelevant as his heroes at SCI, as far as I am concerned

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Originally posted by KPete:
Craig Boddington has done more for hunting in general – and African hunting in particular – than any 50 of us on Accurate Reloading. In my view, his books, articles, television appearances, editorials, and videos have done more for the democratization of African hunting than anyone in history bar none. And he has taken his rightful place in the pantheon of popular and influential safari hunting authors: Selous, Roosevelt, Hemingway, Hunter, Ruark, and Capstick.

So why is it that, for all that is positive with AR, its seamy underbelly is the gleeful schadenfreude that always percolates to the surface with luminaries like Craig? He has a run of bad luck and, instead of coming to the defense of our friend (or leaving things be), AR's threads run long with mean-spirited posts.

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

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Originally posted by KPete:
Craig Boddington has done more for hunting in general – and African hunting in particular – than any 50 of us on Accurate Reloading. In my view, his books, articles, television appearances, editorials, and videos have done more for the democratization of African hunting than anyone in history bar none. And he has taken his rightful place in the pantheon of popular and influential safari hunting authors: Selous, Roosevelt, Hemingway, Hunter, Ruark, and Capstick.

So why is it that, for all that is positive with AR, its seamy underbelly is the gleeful schadenfreude that always percolates to the surface with luminaries like Craig? He has a run of bad luck and, instead of coming to the defense of our friend (or leaving things be), AR's threads run long with mean-spirited posts.

Kim I agree with all of your sentiments about Craig. However many of the facts that were brought forward regarding many issues; not just a simple bankruptcy have affected my view of him as a person. I wish him well and hope he prospers but I won't feel quit the same about him.

Jeff

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

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Originally posted by KPete:
Craig Boddington has done more for hunting in general – and African hunting in particular – than any 50 of us on Accurate Reloading. In my view, his books, articles, television appearances, editorials, and videos have done more for the democratization of African hunting than anyone in history bar none. And he has taken his rightful place in the pantheon of popular and influential safari hunting authors: Selous, Roosevelt, Hemingway, Hunter, Ruark, and Capstick.

So why is it that, for all that is positive with AR, its seamy underbelly is the gleeful schadenfreude that always percolates to the surface with luminaries like Craig? He has a run of bad luck and, instead of coming to the defense of our friend (or leaving things be), AR's threads run long with mean-spirited posts.

Kim I agree with all of your sentiments about Craig. However many of the facts that were brought forward regarding many issues; not just a simple bankruptcy have affected my view of him as a person. I wish him well and hope he prospers but I won't feel quit the same about him.

Jeff

Jeff's comment is spot on. Craig is indeed a great writer, and in my view, an even better speaker. Always informative and entertaining. That said, there are other aspects of his background that when it comes time to picking folks to emulate in life it might cause some to look elsewhere. Hemingway was a superb writer, he was also an alcoholic. Same for Ruark. Is acknowledging that fact being mean spirited? Is it denying them their rightful place in the pantheon of popular authors? Sorry but the fact that Craig is a great writer and contributor to African hunting does not in my view immunize him, or anyone else in the public arena, from being questioned about other aspects of their lives.

....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1
DRSS Charter member
"If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982

Hands of Old Elmer Keith

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Kim I agree with all of your sentiments about Craig. However many of the facts that were brought forward regarding many issues; not just a simple bankruptcy have affected my view of him as a person. I wish him well and hope he prospers but I won't feel quit the same about him.

Jeff

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Originally posted by MJines:
Jeff's comment is spot on. Craig is indeed a great writer, and in my view, an even better speaker. Always informative and entertaining. That said, there are other aspects of his background that when it comes time to picking folks to emulate in life it might cause some to look elsewhere. Hemingway was a superb writer, he was also an alcoholic. Same for Ruark. Is acknowledging that fact being mean spirited? Is it denying them their rightful place in the pantheon of popular authors? Sorry but the fact that Craig is a great writer and contributor to African hunting does not in my view immunize him, or anyone else in the public arena, from being questioned about other aspects of their lives.

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
KPete, Craig would probably laugh and provide you with the details, that is in a private conversation.

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Originally posted by KPete:

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Kim I agree with all of your sentiments about Craig. However many of the facts that were brought forward regarding many issues; not just a simple bankruptcy have affected my view of him as a person. I wish him well and hope he prospers but I won't feel quit the same about him.

Jeff

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Originally posted by MJines:
Jeff's comment is spot on. Craig is indeed a great writer, and in my view, an even better speaker. Always informative and entertaining. That said, there are other aspects of his background that when it comes time to picking folks to emulate in life it might cause some to look elsewhere. Hemingway was a superb writer, he was also an alcoholic. Same for Ruark. Is acknowledging that fact being mean spirited? Is it denying them their rightful place in the pantheon of popular authors? Sorry but the fact that Craig is a great writer and contributor to African hunting does not in my view immunize him, or anyone else in the public arena, from being questioned about other aspects of their lives.

So, a fellow AR member also happens to be a 'public person' and we on AR should feel it appropriate to 'question aspects of their life'? Really? Because Craig's a celebrity, are his personal finances really any my business or yours? Is his selling some shirts to make ends meet something that I need to question - or is it just a convenient opportunity to skewer someone who has achieved celebrity status? Is an administrative foul-up in his final military promotion really my concern – let alone germane to his being a hunter, writer, or TV personality?

As to steering folks clear of "emulating" COL Boddington, thank god someone is ensuring that doesn't happen. Can you imagine the harm were someone to use Craig as a role model? Never mind that he was an Eagle Scout; college grad; commissioned Marine officer with combat service and retiring as a Colonel; author of 19 books and 3,000 magazine articles; world-renowned hunter; lecturer; television host/producer; and remarkably accessible and decent fellow. That stuff is nothing compared to his many sins: Divorced more than once; filed for bankruptcy; oh, and participating in a hunt where the PH may have been less than scrupulous. What a scoundrel!

Mike and Jeff, you're smart guys and I don't deny that Craig and others "in the public arena" are fair game to scrutiny and ridicule - but you know that doesn't make it right. I often decry the growing absence of common decency in our political discourse, but it's really disappointing when that same decency isn't even extended to folks most of us know. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should, and we shouldn't be berating friends who have done us no personal harm. Let's leave that to the 'antis' and not 'one of us'.

Maybe if each of us refrained from posting anything that we wouldn't say to someone's face, AR would be more welcoming and less hostile – and there wouldn't be an exodus of big names from this forum. And honestly guys, I can't see most who have posted on here sitting down with Craig over a beer at SCI saying, "So Craig, I've really lost a lot of respect for you since you filed for bankruptcy. By the way, what are the details?"

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Originally posted by Seamaster:
At least he has never shot a PH or tracker.

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

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Originally posted by KPete:
Craig Boddington has done more for hunting in general – and African hunting in particular – than any 50 of us on Accurate Reloading. In my view, his books, articles, television appearances, editorials, and videos have done more for the democratization of African hunting than anyone in history bar none. And he has taken his rightful place in the pantheon of popular and influential safari hunting authors: Selous, Roosevelt, Hemingway, Hunter, Ruark, and Capstick.

So why is it that, for all that is positive with AR, its seamy underbelly is the gleeful schadenfreude that always percolates to the surface with luminaries like Craig? He has a run of bad luck and, instead of coming to the defense of our friend (or leaving things be), AR's threads run long with mean-spirited posts.

Kim I agree with all of your sentiments about Craig. However many of the facts that were brought forward regarding many issues; not just a simple bankruptcy have affected my view of him as a person. I wish him well and hope he prospers but I won't feel quit the same about him.

Jeff

Jeff's comment is spot on. Craig is indeed a great writer, and in my view, an even better speaker. Always informative and entertaining. That said, there are other aspects of his background that when it comes time to picking folks to emulate in life it might cause some to look elsewhere. Hemingway was a superb writer, he was also an alcoholic. Same for Ruark. Is acknowledging that fact being mean spirited? Is it denying them their rightful place in the pantheon of popular authors? Sorry but the fact that Craig is a great writer and contributor to African hunting does not in my view immunize him, or anyone else in the public arena, from being questioned about other aspects of their lives.

The quotes above are very well written, and all have some merit in fact. That being said, I believe that in some cases people here are making assumptions that are not proven by actual fact as well.

I don’t know the facts, nor do I believe others here have them either.

In my opinion, and that opinion is just that “MY OPINION” but having to file a chapter 7 near the end of a very successful career has to be embarrassing, and a real crash to anyone. Then to be raked over the coals by the very people who were fans only a few months ago, many of which are speaking from a position of ignorance of all the facts, has to be a real fall from grace.

With any BR people owed loose, but the whole reason chapter 7 is on the books is to allow people a chance re-organize their lives, and in most cases this is without world wide opinion of a Kangaroo court. I don’t think there is anyone here who would like being in Boddington’s shoes here on Accurate Reloading.

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by Seamaster:
At least he has never shot a PH or tracker.

Hard to discern if that statement was meant to be supportive of Mr. Boddington or not.
You do realize his daughter shot a tracker, right?

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Originally posted by Jerry Hoover:
I am at a complete loss as yo what has happen ed to Craig Boddington and the situations asurruondit,whie I try to respect Bosddinton
'S privacy, my curiosity makes.want tn know without wallowing in sided details is, indeed ther are any,We have all mad financial mistakes and have paid the penalty be private or public, Can some On my way! Give me the facts without all the vitriol, backbiting,and what er rudeness thatgentemen should ad void and abhor,,Qshow a little courtesy San courtesy yo one one true a giants and gents,en of the outdoor industry, Is CB perfect. no, but he does present a certain public persona of what many so us wish to, His personal problems need to remain and not be vilified on A R. Jerry Hoover

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Originally posted by MJines:
Kim,

We agree to disagree, that is fine. I am not sure the world would in fact be a better place if we judged every post by the standard of never saying anything that we would not say to someone's face. The reality is that we have lost the ability to civilly disagree on issues, express that disagreement, speak candidly with one another without being branded with some title or having someone walk away offended. We have folks that leave the forum over disagreements as petty as round nose versus flat nose solids for heaven's sake. Really? Too many folks these days walk around with chips on their shoulders waiting to be offended, expecting everyone to either agree with them or at least keep their mouth shut. What we could use is a greater sense of tolerance, appreciation for differences of opinion, embracing the expression of differences of opinion, etc. That is by no means an excuse not to be civil, that is not what I am suggesting . . . but by the same token openly airing issues and expressing opinions is not tantamount in my mind to being uncivil.

Missed you in Dallas by the way. Hope you are feeling better. Did have a nice conversation with Patrick though.

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Originally posted by Jerry Hoover:
I am at a complete loss as yo what has happen ed to Craig Boddington and the situations asurruondit,whie I try to respect Bosddinton
'S privacy, my curiosity makes.want tn know without wallowing in sided details is, indeed ther are any,We have all mad financial mistakes and have paid the penalty be private or public, Can some On my way! Give me the facts without all the vitriol, backbiting,and what er rudeness thatgentemen should ad void and abhor,,Qshow a little courtesy San courtesy yo one one true a giants and gents,en of the outdoor industry, Is CB perfect. no, but he does present a certain public persona of what many so us wish to, His personal problems need to remain and not be vilified on A R. Jerry Hoover

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Originally posted by Jerry Hoover:
I just reread my post and my typing skills are exceeded by my capacity for wine and good Scotch. Even though my post was not grammaricly or typographically perfect, my point should be clear. What I like about AR is the frank exchange of information and ideas,what I don't like it is the urination matches that get personal and have no relevance to the subject at hand. Jerry Hoover

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Originally posted by Paul K:
Do not judge lest you..........{not sure about the quote for you nit pickers}
Paul K

....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1
DRSS Charter member
"If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982

Hands of Old Elmer Keith

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Jerry Hoover:
I am at a complete loss as yo what has happen ed to Craig Boddington and the situations asurruondit,whie I try to respect Bosddinton
'S privacy, my curiosity makes.want tn know without wallowing in sided details is, indeed ther are any,We have all mad financial mistakes and have paid the penalty be private or public, Can some On my way! Give me the facts without all the vitriol, backbiting,and what er rudeness thatgentemen should ad void and abhor,,Qshow a little courtesy San courtesy yo one one true a giants and gents,en of the outdoor industry, Is CB perfect. no, but he does present a certain public persona of what many so us wish to, His personal problems need to remain and not be vilified on A R. Jerry Hoover

I have no comment. That just deserved preservation.

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Originally posted by Jerry Hoover:
I just reread my post and my typing skills are exceeded by my capacity for wine and good Scotch. Even though my post was not grammaricly or typographically perfect, my point should be clear. What I like about AR is the frank exchange of information and ideas,what I don't like it is the urination matches that get personal and have no relevance to the subject at hand. Jerry Hoover

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Gato, and friends,

If I had the opportunity to rummage around in your past it might not be as savory either.

Anyone's for that matter. We all have things done or not done that we would rather not share with the public.

This time next Friday I hope to have a chat with Craig, or be looking forward to doing so.

Based on my conversations and impressions of him, if he said "Rich, I got your back" it would please me in any sort of confrontation.

There are not many I would trust that far.

I have found it, in my life, that detractors generally have their own agenda, or are merely jealous and would enjoy dragging someone on a level they can never hope to achieve down to theirs.

take care,

Rich