From the same company that took the Trump boys hunting in Zim - See link/video below. I'm just NOT too sure what to make of this to be honest? However, if this is the average S.A./Kalahari Lion outing - I'm real certain that I'll pass.

I never wanted to say I'm "against" these Lion outings, but man this one sure makes it hard to like, or support - WOW!!! As much as I love the African Lion, this is truly hard to watch! I don't know, I'm turning 40 in May - perhaps I'm just getting soft in my old age

http://www.huntinglegends.com/...-bow-vinny-berranco/

might was well go and shoot the one in the bronx zoo - he might be less tranquilized

Well doesn't that just make us all look like shit.

That is pretty damn pathetic.

That nicely brushed lion was coming up to the truck for dinner. Never understood the risk and certainly wasn't responding in any wild sort of way.

I don't like this and don't like using bows on these animals. It isn't hunting.

What's he shooting? A 20# bow?

Pathetic!! But legal.

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Originally posted by JohnHunt:
That is pretty damn pathetic.

That nicely brushed lion was coming up to the truck for dinner. Never understood the risk and certainly wasn't responding in any wild sort of way.

I disagree. He was drugged.

Look at at that poor SOB stagger like a drunk after the first shot.

This is not hunting. This is a mockery of our sport.

We need to voice our disgust over this garbage. This is not hunting, this is not fair, this is not "OK".

Raising animals to pretend like your clients are hunting them is not hunting. These outfitters and clients should be ostracized in the same manner that pedophiles are.

(Pedophilia and canned hunting are not on the same level, but they should be ostracized in the same manner. If you don't understand this I will send BAB to straighten you out.)

This is, like Mark Sullivan says: Killing, not Hunting.

And:
I count 6 Man with guns...
Next time he will come with the complete Delta Force from Fort Bragg....

I have seen this clip before it is so sad to watch it Aaron. Such a magnificient beast raised to this end! I have had the displeasure of meeting this individual, he was boasting how him and his two buddies all went to Africa and "got their lions" with bows in 4 days! But before we get all self righteous where do you think he honed his bushcraft and skills as a big white hunter? Let me guess - killing 700" whitetail deer in a very small enclosure!

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Originally posted by reddy375:
I have had the displeasure of meeting this individual, he was boasting how him and his two buddies all went to Africa and "got their lions" with bows in 4 days!

So, did you play along and say, "Wow, that's great!"

Or did you man-up and say, "Pity you three wankers choose to shoot pen raised lions."

(I will admit that I have played along when faced with this situation, but I have always regretted it.)

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Originally posted by JBrown:



This is not hunting. This is a mockery of our sport.

We need to voice our disgust over this garbage. This is not hunting, this is not fair, this is not "OK".

100% agreed. This is nothing we need to support, this is not hunting!

The commentator in that video is as obnoxious as Mark Sullivan in his heavy breathing drawl about letting the buffalo "choose how to die"!

This nitwit was telling us how dangerous it is to kill a lion!

I have been in situations with lions where these individuals might need a change of underwear!

At the very least that ph should not have been getting his bow hunting client in on that lion with the lion knowing exactly what was going.... At the worst he did it because the lion was, umm, drugged

Cheers,
Mark.

The worst part of this is not just that it's canned whic is bad enough, it's the equipment used.

This is a VERY good exampl of shooting an animal with light arrows and I'd venture that they are mechanical broadheads as well. The penetration on this poor animal is MINIMAL an arrow should zip right through an animal at that range.

Go onto youtube and look at some archery hunting videos and there are scores of animals shot with less than 8" of penetration, even on well placed shots that should have no penetration issues.

When shit like that gets posted on a public website and hunters feel disgusted, imagine what goes through the minds of non-hunters, let alone the tree huggers?

We be digging our own graves with super-sized shovels!

The proud dickhead who killed that house-cat surely cannot believe he is a hunter; no stalk, in full view, a committee of bystanders, a frigging dog, dammit the partridge in the pear tree is missing!

Disgusting and sad to say the least - go bury your head in the sand big white hunter!

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Originally posted by fujotupu:
When shit like that gets posted on a public website and hunters feel disgusted, imagine what goes through the minds of non-hunters, let alone the tree huggers?

We be digging our own graves with super-sized shovels!

The proud dickhead who killed that house-cat surely cannot believe he is a hunter; no stalk, in full view, a committee of bystanders, a frigging dog, dammit the partridge in the pear tree is missing!

Disgusting and sad to say the least - go bury your head in the sand big white hunter!

Well said! Really tragic

Horrendous and embarrassing.

Sickening is truly all I can say. I felt as though they were at task to kill someone's hand raised pet. To walk on open cover within that distance and then for the reckless SOB to take the first shot angle he did at what should be considered DG??? An embarrasment to all and almost wishing I've never come across the post. Atleast the word is out and there is one hunting party I will NEVER be associated with. A true disgrace to the sport and animals involved.

sometimes ya just have to pull for the lion....

After seeing this i am embarrest over being a hunter

Donner
Hold your head up.
That was not hunting!
That was just shooting!
Got about as much respect for a poacher as I do those guys.

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Originally posted by donner:
After seeing this i am embarrest over being a hunter

You think you're ashamed? What do you think I must feel like being an outfitter from South Africa? This is pathetic.
Gentleman, please understand that not all Lion hunting in South Africa is like this.
There are very few places, as a matter of fact I know of one, where you can hunt genuine free range Lions. Even regarding captive bred Lions, the law states that an animal has to be released into the area, however many thousand acres it might be, for a number of months before the hunting date.
But seeing this has pretty much ruined my day.

Best Regards
Marius Goosen

after the 2nd arrow i could no longer watch
poor lion was likley starving and thought these guys were bringing the cat food he was so used to getting. I wish our comments could be posted on their web site.
How many times have I heard these idiots say "these lions are much more dangerous than their wild lions" such a line of Bullshit.
What a real shame... makes me want to throw up...

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Originally posted by KMG Hunting Safaris:

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Originally posted by donner:
After seeing this i am embarrest over being a hunter

You think you're ashamed? What do you think I must feel like being an outfitter from South Africa? This is pathetic.
Gentleman, please understand that not all Lion hunting in South Africa is like this.
There are very few places, as a matter of fact I know of one, where you can hunt genuine free range Lions. Even regarding captive bred Lions, the law states that an animal has to be released into the area, however many thousand acres it might be, for a number of months before the hunting date.
But seeing this has pretty much ruined my day.

Best Regards
Marius Goosen

Then seeing this riff-raff is from your neck of the woods it might just be in your interest to go and chew some ass !

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Even regarding captive bred Lions, the law states that an animal has to be released into the area, however many thousand acres it might be, for a number of months before the hunting date

Seems like this requirement is routinely ignored. The only good thing to come from this video is I now know never to book a hunt with this outfit.

Revolting.
That poor farm raised kitty had been tranked to the max, otherwise they would have claimed "shoot a CHARGING lion with a bow.
this outfit should be black balled on AR. In fact perhaps Saeed could have separate forum: unethical operators to avoid!

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In fact perhaps Saeed could have separate forum: unethical operators to avoid!

+1

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Originally posted by Ing. S. Bader:
This is, like Mark Sullivan says: Killing, not Hunting.

And:
I count 6 Man with guns...
Next time he will come with the complete Delta Force from Fort Bragg....

is that the same mark .....shoot your buffalo in the belly so he will charge and we can get that on video, by the way your next buffalo on quota is free of charge ....... sullivan ?

or at least so i heard and it felt really good to snub him at the sci show when the wide eyed innocents were gathered around for his ....stories.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Horrendous and embarrassing.

I think this kinda sums it up for me too!

Over the years I've tried to keep an open mind on the "Canned" lion subject, and frankly, without having experienced it myself - I do believe it would be a bit unfair for me to pass FINAL judgment, and rally against it 100%. However, this example just looks REALLY bad! So bad in fact, that I found myself feeling sorry for the Lion as he was pelted with arrows, from a bow that obviously had insufficient draw weight, and could barely penetrate the thin-skinned animal.

My girlfriend knows my fascination with the African Lion, and my love for hunting them too! She's a non-hunter, but totally supports my choice to do it. I let her watch this video clip last night, and she was damn near in tears! She said, had she no knowledge/experience with lion hunting because of our relationship. This video alone would would make her anti-lion hunting for sure. And as others have stated already, most of us are not too impressed with this display of sportsmanship, imagine the reaction this garners from the non-hunting community? Keep in mind, its not the anti-hunting community we are concerned with, they are anti-hunting no matter what. Its the 70% of the population, who just like my girlfriend are simply non-hunters. Not necessarily against it, but seeing things like this video clip is exactly what makes detractors out of the masses that we need on our side.

At least if you're gonna participate/film this sort of thing - PLEASE do not put it out for public display!

Looks like low penetrating expandables. I refuse to call them broadheads.

Lion is obviously drugged. Sick.

I'm beginning to see a pattern here!!!!!

Scroll down to the bottom of the link and there is a picture of several guys around the table.

http://www.huntinglegends.com/...we/matetsi-zimbabwe/

The last name listed is - Dawie vd Westhuizen


The same name of the PH for Babwe Safaris. If you see the following link, and have followed some of my other posts. You will see my feelings towards these guys who are participating in the wildlife slaughter in Nyakasanga, over the past couple of years! The slaughter of the lion in particular.

Dawie vd Westhuizen

http://www.africahunting.com/h...-zambezi-valley.html


An old thread from AR

http://forums.accuratereloadin...?r=14810962#14810962

Company:- Out of Africa Safaris
Dawie Groenwaldt
Janeman Groenwaldt
Glen Van Rensburg
Nick Van Rensburg
Zimbabwe connection/operator - E K Safaris (Ed Kadzombe)
Jacob Mudenda
Professional Hunters:- Albert Padarizi - ex National Parks Pilot
:- Dawie Van Der Westhuizen

Funny how the same names pop up over the years.

And this is not to say the Trump hunt was illegal, I have no knowledge of that at all. I hope for their sake it was 100% proper.

These guys are A$$holes. period.

I sent an email to Hunting Legends and let them know they aren't doing the sport of hunting any favours by posting crap like that.

Absolutely pathetic. The "zone", my ass.

Do we know who the shooter (not hunter) was? It seemed as if it was being filmed for a TV show. I would like to be able to send an e-mail or letter expressing my displeasure about representing hunting in such a horrendous manner.

Shooting that lion and shooting a porcupine are about on the same level, difficulty wise. At least a porcupine is wild.

Wow, that's disgusting. Here are my thoughts, for what they're worth...

Some of us have been engaged with a bunch of anti-hunting idiots over on that Facebook page "Stop Trophy Hunting NOW". We all realize what a pathetic bunch of dipshits they are, but if we don't stand up ourselves against this practice, and this particular video and company, then what are we? As gentlemen who believe themselves to be, and who publicly hold ourselves out as, ethical hunters; I believe it is incumbent upon us to take action and publicly disapprove of this travesty of a hunt and to work to make sure it doesn't occur again. What can we do?

What can we do? Well, for starters let's file a joint complaint (perhaps we can all sign online somehow) with PHASA. Let's also file a joint complaint with the South African Wildlife Authority (whatever name that organization goes by) and then let's publicly humiliate that company and hunter. I do believe that if law abiding, ethical hunters were to publicly shame someone who is nothing more than a shooter, certainly not a hunter, then this practice would diminish. Think of it this way, you go on that particular hunt and shoot that particular lion, post your video and then real hunters come out of the woodwork in opposition to you and what you did...how would you react? More importantly, how would the next poor shlub handle himself? Would doing this every time we see it eventually discourage other people from going on these types of hunts? I would hope so, and at a minimum, we'd be standing up for what is right.

I'm often disgusted to read anti-hunting comments like "I wish the lion would have killed them..." and drivel such as that. This might have been one time when I wish myself that the lion would have had some success before coming to such a pathetic end. That dipshit shooter doesn't even know the basics of archery hunting, as the first two shots were simply not angles any selt respecting archer would shoot an animal at, let alone dangerous animals. The only proper angle shot was the final one, and yes, that equipment was woefully insufficient to take any large animal. Perhaps that needs to be included in a complaint to PHASA and South African Wildlife Department, the use of substandard equipment.

What do you all think about this concept? Who here has the expertise to put together a campaign or petition against this idiot shooter and SA company?

Quality outfit the trump boys like to hunt with - given the outfitter the hang out with and their hunting elephant in Zim. I think they should be more worried about the Lacey act than some anti-hunting protests.

This is not hunting - it is slaughtering. It maybe it serve some purpose - jobs for taxidermist ect. But it is just sad to watch and get painted as a hunter with this brush.

I have not hunted lion - I don't have any great desire to hunt lion. I fully support lion hunting when it is done correctly(age, wild lions, regulated ect).

But when someone tells me they have hunted lion. I start with the working assumption that is was canned. I then ask which country they hunted it in, the outfitter ect. They have to prove the assumption wrong and in a few minutes it either is or it isn't.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Horrendous and embarrassing.

+1

I hate New York.

My favorite part of the whole clip was at the end, when the guy is sitting behind his lion, telling us how they "spotted" it from the truck.

Well no shit! Who would have ever guessed that???

I wonder what pet store they went to do that grooming. Hell, that mane looked like it had been shampooed and blow dryed.

The client must be a total clown to believe that was a wild lion and that this was fair chase.

I will be honest and say that some of the lion hunting in the RSA does not bother me at all. Tracking lions in large areas is fine with me as long as the lions have been there for a while and the cats were neither drugged or starved. It took me about 2 seconds to know what was up with this execution.

Gentlemen, as bad as this in, there is worse that goes on. I know for absolute fact that a very big name client shot a lion in a cage on the back of a truck. Of course, his trophy pictures do not reflect this.

Executions such as this are appalling. I don't know what can be done to stop it. Africa is a corrupt place. People willing to do this type of thing are not those who would play by the rules.