Shootaway

That's akin to the logic used by the farmer who planted 3 times the recommended number of maize pips in each hole, because he didn't want to do what others do. Guess what? He went bust. Guess what? If you shoot a Cape buffalo where your white square is, whatever the rifle and bullet used, you will be busted.

Hulme,I disagree. Just look at what happened to you.Boy,some people never learn from their mistakes.I stand by my white square zone.I will call it the Shootaway White Square Zone and get a patent.

Nothing happened to me. I am as hail and hearty today as I've evr been. And, no, I'm not going to get into a childish debate with you. Although I am a new member, I've already checked out a great deal of nonsense posted by you on these forums. What I will do is lay down a challenge. You bring your 2150 fps and shoot a buffalo exactly where your white square is. I will be there to watch you take the shot, and there can be no mistake about intended strike zone because we will all have a copy of your illustration. Then you follow up that buffalo alone. For your sake, I hope you shoot very high, which I strongly suspect would happen. No offence to caribou, but stick with them buddy

David: Do not waste your time on this frigging idiot. About the only thing he's hunted for is probably his penis when he gets up in the morning to take a leak, but then again, he probably squats to urinate. jorge

Jorge

Thank you for the advice and information Sir.

Hulme,I am planning to hunt buff in 2008 or 2009.I look forward to buying a custom rifle from one of the forum members and I should get a deposit out in the next few days.I also plan to buy a CZ to use as a practice big bore rifle in the same caliber.I have not decided on where yet but I would like to go and see the Masai people as well,so it probably be there.I will do as others have done and that is to get there hunts on video.I hope my plans realize and get to post the hunt here on AR.

Shootaway,

Is the "white square zone" the same place you shot that tiger?
You REALLY should post some pictures of it.

KC Carlin,no I shot the tiger in the head between his cats eyes.You will soon see the full tiger mount as I promissed.jorge and Hulme,you both need a class in civility.

Besides the interference towards the end, I think this has been a thoroughly productive thread and I have enjoyed weighing up the different opinions and experiences. I hope to write a balanced article on the topic in the near future. My only regret regarding these forums is that I didn't discover them sooner. Thank you

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Besides the interference towards the end, I think this has been a thoroughly productive thread and I have enjoyed weighing up the different opinions and experiences. Thank you

David, the interference you speak of, on my computer screen, is simply a 3/8" white space accross the page with the words:
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It makes things a lot calmer in my gut, not to have to read his crap!

That's what they do in my family.Call me all kinds of names but end up copying my way of things and then deny me credit.

Shootaway,

I understand that you are planning a buffalo hunt in 07 or 08. Let me humbly suggest that you get a copy of The Perfect Shot and study it well.

If you shoot a buffalo in your white rectangle, it will cause you and your party a lot of trouble unless you get lucky and spine it.

Remember that buffalo aren't caribou. When was the last fatal encounter you heard of with caribou? Kudude

The photo now appears even on my computer. The shot is too high and too far back as well. You can spine a buff by breaking the scapula with secondary damage to the spine itself. Wouldn't want to count on it. If you are off, even a little bit, you are in for a long and potentially fruitless day of tracking.

There is no reason for a one shot kill on a buff. Even if you spine one, and I have done it, it is good policy to kill him again, as MRLexma points out. If he is standing, walking or running shoot again. If he is lying down, shoot him again. Even the best ammo is cheap.

Shootaway, go buy "The Perfect Shot", then do your thinking rather than shoot off the hip at a carabou come buffalo. The vitals location is further forward and somewhat lower on most all African game than on our game. the hump on a buff is misleading too.

JPK

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Originally posted by shootaway:
That's what they do in my family.Call me all kinds of names but end up copying my way of things and then deny me credit.

This is the stuff that makes even shrinks chuckle. "Woe is the perfect me, denied my significance."

JPK

With only two Buffalo to my safari credit I can hardly afford a decent opinion.

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Originally posted by jorge:
David: Do not waste your time on this frigging idiot. About the only thing he's hunted for is probably his penis when he gets up in the morning to take a leak, but then again, he probably squats to urinate. jorge

Jorge, no offense to anyone... it's just the way this response struck me! LOL, what can I say... nailed him between the balls.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
[URL= ]SHOT PLACEMENT[/URL] I bet my life on this shot.The white square behind the shoulder and up high.This shot is the only one that gave me one shot kills(aside from a head shot)on caribou.I believe that a quality 500grain bullet travelling at around 2150fps and shot from a well kept rifle,within 75yds,will drop a buff in its tracks.

A PH by the name of Rodger Whittall once told me that a shot for this particular spot is an easy way of loosing your animal.
ozhunter

The impression I get from the position of that shot is that the shooter was far too excited, and had a major flinch.

As no one in his right mind would shoot a buffalo that high when he is in that position.

Wouldn't shooting for the ball socket on the off side shoulder be a pretty good shot on that buff drawing?

Josh

This, I think is a high lung shot.Most blood in the animal is found in the lungs.Shooting him in the lung near the spine will cause a heavy hydro-static shock and damage the spine.

Saeed,I bet you will try this next time your hunting and discover that it works!

Shootaway

Please take time to read Saeed's last post carefully. Although I don't know him, I doubt he will try out that shot the next time he is hunting buff - he comes across as being a responsible hunter.

..........O K ;so if we disregad the Quebec , then,,They tend to be arguementitive anyway.,.,., Could it be said that a fast 57 . cal. tends strongly to be a1- 2 shot caliber and a fast 50.cal is simular but mayby 3 shot ???....Moveing down in Brute power, my question.??. It seems like the reporting on the 470 Mbogo is running around 2-3 shots as does the 460 Whby and 450 Rigby...It seems the 416,s avg 3 shots...The 458 win and Lott don,t seem to be all that different as far as # of shots and it seems to be the same as the 416,s........So my ? ,, Has any one noticed any serious ,[smack down ]difference between the 416,s and the 470 Capstick , and if so could they please elaborate.....Or between the 416 ,, 350 gr super Premiums m.v. 2600 fps and the 450 Rigby,460 Whby, 470 Mbogo 500 gr. bullet @ 2400-2600 fps........I,m not trying to argue a position.. And I know that if you push a wounded animal they get more bullet proof and aggressive.....Which could be why so many smaller calibers work with 1 or 2 shots......The game isn,t pushed ,because the shooter knows he doesn,t have the power to stop a charge......But ,,is there any real killing difference between these 2 genral bore sizes at simular velocities ????Thank you !!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

The impression I get from the position of that shot is that the shooter was far too excited, and had a major flinch.

As no one in his right mind would shoot a buffalo that high when he is in that position.

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Originally posted by shootaway:



I bet my life on this shot.

Problem is that you may end up losing the life of a tracker or the PH, so please aim a bunch lower and some to the left.

This kill zone was suggested to me by an elderly man who was a long time target shooter.It seemed strange at first but I gave it a try and from then on NOTHING I shot remained on its legs after receiving a bullet there.I remember once shooting caribou at 25 yds with a 7mmRemMag in the area 500 grains describes (a whole bunch of them) being looked on by my father and not one fell.His commemts still ring in my ears,"I told you not to use those bullets",What a worthless caliber","You miising all of them","Your hopeless" After recovering them 50 to 75yds away and gutting them the hearts on all were destroyed and bullets were found in some hearts.After that incident I knew that if this were dangerous game I would be dead.I then set out for finding what caused one shot kills and my search came to an end one day at the shooting range after meeting a very nice french canadian gentleman.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Hulme,I disagree. Just look at what happened to you.Boy,some people never learn from their mistakes.I stand by my white square zone.I will call it the Shootaway White Square Zone and get a patent.

May I enquire as to how many Cape Buffalo you have taken? I'd love to see a couple of photos with the Buffalo dead, and showing your shot placement. A lot of the posters here have taken numberous Buffalo, and I value their input. I'm making my first Buffalo hunt next year. and I'm listening to people who've been there, done that. If you haven't been there, done that, then might I suggest you kindly STFU, and stick to your moose and caribou.

Let me see if I understand this. Are you suggesting that irrespective of the species' anatomy, this is the absolute DRT killing shot? Absurd.

If a fellow does not have experience, he may wish to purchase one of the shot placement guides rather than relying on B.S. from some clueless dude at the shooting range.

Mike375,a quote by my favorite president George Bush Sr. comes to mind that he used during one of his election campaigns."I don't have to have cancer to know that it is an awfull disease"

500 grains,didn't you once say that just because something is written in a book it doesn't mean that it is true! BTW,I enjoy your posts more than any other posts.Good work.

Shootyourself,

"The Prerfect Shot", written by a PH who is also a veterinarian; a kind old French Canadian target shooter...hmmm. Think I'll take the advice of the African PH/veterinarian.

Funny thing how the guys with the experience, the guys who have seen hundreds of buff killed and gutted, are right.

JPK

If they are right then why is it that it seems rare that a buffalo is dropped with a single shot,or are you saying it is not supposed to drop on the first shot.People who do things for a living learn only that which is required of them to do so.They are caught up in the money part of it and this does not neccesarily require a profound knowledge of the subject at hand.People who sell lottery tickets for a living are not familiar with the actual game.People who sell cars don't know how to repair a car.

As a "doctori" a practicing veterinarian,and avid hunter, the consensus of this thread is correct and the white square is

doccash,you need to be examined.I'll pm stuntpilot so he can take a look at you with his borescope.

In almost all cases, in order to drop an animal in its tracks, the central nervous system has to be disrupted. That means hitting either the brain, or spine. That's a physiological fact that can't be denied. A shot through your example hits neither brain or spine. Now I'm done responding to the troll.

Shootyourself,

The lottery agent doesn't stand much chance of being gored or stomped by a poorly chosen lotto ticket.

On the other hand the PH faces significant risk when he tells the hunter to shoot to wound a cape buffalo.

I've met lotto agents who like their jobs, I think. I've never met a PH who didn't love his.

But these obvious differences escape you, eh?

A caribou goes 400lbs and is soft, a buff goes 1000lbs and isn't. You are trying to make apple sauce out of oranges.

JPK

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Originally posted by shootaway:
That shot placement suggestion is comeing from someone who thinks when he does things and not from someone who does things the way others tell him to.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I then set out for finding what caused one shot kills and my search came to an end one day at the shooting range after meeting a very nice french canadian gentleman.

;;;;Could someone who has killed a Cape Buffalo comment on my Question

gumboot458,you have an excellent caliber there,the 458WinMag.

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;;;;Could someone who has killed a Cape Buffalo comment on my Question Confused

Yeah, it's so convoluted, poorly written and absurd, it makes about as much sense as your views on the 1911. But wait, I'm sure shootaway will answer you in due course. jorge