I was just watching Surefire's Tracks across Africa tv show with host Craig Boddington. He had Steve Hornady along on a buffalo hunt. Steve was showing Craig a new cartridge that they developed with Ruger. It fits in a 30-'06 length action but is fat. Looks kind of like a Dakota cartridge. Does anyone have more info about this cartridge, specifically case dimensions and capacity? Steve said that it would duplicate 375 H&H performance but from a shorter action and with only a 20" barrel. Thanks, Bruin

375 Taylor aka 375/338WinMag

Sounds like a .375 Dak or .375/404 'short' (if it is 'fatter', the Taylor being the same case, just shorter) ?

I often wonder...I mean, a .375 Holland fits into a standard length m98/mark X/ FN/ Santa Barbara/M70 and all the other clones, but with a longer magnum magazine and some metal taken away fore and aft. Essentially still a .30-06 length action with mods...not a true magnum length action anyway. I guess the 'new' .375 (Dakota?) just requires no metal milling, just a suitable mag box?

Its seems like between the H&H, Dakota, RUM, WBY, Taylor and host of other wildcats we have a good deal of .375's to choose from, and none have yet come close to eclipsing the H&H??

I think he means fatter than a 30-06 case, which the 338 WM case is. Pretty sure that the 375 Ruger is just Ruger putting thier name on it with intention of legitimizing it maybe. I'm having a Taylor made on a blr by z-hat. It is a cartridge that does well with powders suitable for the 308 Win and does not need a brl longer than 21 inches.

.375/338 Ruger

.375 Ruger

So are Ruger going to bring this out in there stainless Mark 11 they'd sell a heap of them !!

And if Ruger will bring them out for us Lefties, it will ensure a number of sales. It will be the only crf produced for us by a MAJOR manufacturer and at a price many can afford.

Wow!!! It sounds like somebody figured out how to recreate the .376 Steyr!

Alas, another "new" cartridge to fill a non-existant void in the cartridge lineup?

Hornady's website don't show any .375 Ruger yet.....I'm sending feelers out to check.

Shorter is not aways better, with the 375 H&H
You can deal with long mono bullets like the barnes tsx. You can seat out and still have room for powder. If you have a true mag action like a 505 or 415rig a short throw fat cal will have a diffrent feel and bal. I like all my rifles to feel and function the same as possible. That way practice with one- cross trains so to speak with the other. You are limited how much you can move scopes on a shorter action.

JD

I guess I should have clarified the cartridge design a bit more. This is not a 338 Win Mag necked up to 375. It is a beltless case. It is longer than the 376 Steyr as it fits in a 30-'06 length action rather than a short action. It should give much higher velocities than the Steyr. I am not saying that the new 375 Ruger is a needed cartridge, just curious if anyone out there knew more about it. Bruin.

bruin, i see you're in walla walla. i was born and raised there... do i know you?

Bruin,

My sarcaasm was not directed at you. I apologise.

I was just dumbfounded that a highly respected firm like Ruger would come out with a cartridge to bear their name that doesn't seem, based on the little bit of information offered, to provide any usable advantage over the many fine cartridges of this genre already in production. I guess the marketing guys won out on this one.

We seem to be obsessed with making something out nothing for no reason. I like to wildcat when no factory option is available. With the traditional Long magnum complimented with the traditional short magnum as well as the '06 and 308 cloanes and ending with the 223 based options we were OK. Dakota offered us a look at the future of the philosophy of cartridge design which lead us down the road to the WSM etc. lineup and the RUM's. With all of that someone is trying to make a name for themselves by finding or developing a case that hasn't been cloned to other calibers. Big mistake even if it does work out it won't have the mass appeas the originals have.

A short 375 cartridge ??? Use the 375 DAkota or the 376 Styer. It has you covered for short actions or larger actions OR use a 375 H&H the mother of all magnums. It still has yet to be beaten in real world performance.

Bruin,

The 376 Steyr is a standard action length cartridge.



So, I'm not sure what the 375 Ruger would be that's different

D Walter,

Thanks. I didn't think my .376 was a short action but I was too lazy to pull it out of the gun safe. With the 20" barrel and the .376 cartridge, my prohunter is a great bear gun. I also own a mod. 70 Safari in .375 H&H. Love the gun. It will be my light rifle next month when I head to the Selous. Heavier and longer than the Steyr. The main thing that allowed the H&H to win out over the Steyr this trip is availability of ammo (in case mine doesn't make the trip).

I couldn't find anything about a 375 Ruger on their website. Is it public yet?

Yet another manufactured solution to a non-existent problem. Steyr and a few others tried it and it's not flying off the shelves. BUt I'm sure it'll be the locus of another flurry of suggestions by "experts" in order to validate such a "novel" idea. jorge

If the bring it out in there stainless Mark 11 they will sell a heap of them I reckon........................I myself would like one.

Oh boy, here we go, another "new" cartridge, flavor of the month "mini-mag" offering.

It seems that firearm manufacturers believe their customers are now obsessed with lighter, shorter action rifles with less kick. I'm sorry but I remember when bragging about such qualities in their rifles tended to get their owners branded as weenies.

The 375 Ruger might be a great offering. It be unfair for me to hope against it.

But the trend of these "mini-mags" seems to share many of the same common problems. Here are a few in my opinion (and I'm certain I am not alone.)

1. They really don't out strip or even equal the full length cartridge performance they are being compared to.

2. They tend to violate the old rule of thumb that the neck should not be shorter that the bore caliber diameter. Necks tend to be much shorter in these "new" cartridges. I believe they generally sacrifice neck length to get velocity by virtue of increasing powder capacity.

3. Quite a few of these cartridges incorporate a rebated rim to accomodate a standard magnum faced bolt. This rebated rim is often the root of feeding problems for the cartridge.

I'd like to see what the new cartridge looks like. Maybe it'll be a surprise.

Every body: Look at the 2nd line of Texas Hunter post of July 25 18:24 and then look at the new WSM and RSM cases.

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I'd like to see what the new cartridge looks like. Maybe it'll be a surprise.

I'm with you here....I'm optomistic on this one.

Held in Steve Hornady's hand.

That sure looks like a .338 WM necked to .375 with no belt. I don't believe it is fat enough to be a RUM case, actually the .375 Taylor would be better, since I wouldn't want to cut magazine capacity further. I recently bought a .338 built on an old FN action that I was going to make into a .375 Taylor, but like it so well I can't make myself mess it up. It was built by a gunsmith I am not familiar with, but is easily the slickest feeding rifle I own. It is marked North Fork Gunsmithing I believe.

Is it just my screen or does that look like a typical 338 win mag case necked to 375 and a round shouldered weatherby case necked to 375

Maybe just my view but those shoulders look nothing alike to me!

Both look like the same cartridge to me, like a 25 degree shoulder of the .338 WinMag with belt turned off and necked up to .375. That is not a Weatherby shoulder, just fuzzy photography.

possibly a lengthened .376 styer

If cases, dies, reamers and reload data are provided I think I will give it a try...
L

and the .376 Steyr is nothing more than the 9,3x64 shortened and necked up. Perhaps this is the factory edition of the wildcat .374/64 i wonder??

Gents, I for one have very much wanted a mid sized fat cartridge in 30 caliber, like the 300 Dakota but have not wanted the Dakota because of the cost of the brass and the fact that the case head is 0.545" instead of the standard 0.532". I believe this new 375 Ruger is likely to be a good basis for what I am after. It appears to me to be fatter than the 338 Win Mag. I took some measurements off of the screen and came up with a loaded round neck diameter of 0.750" (on the screen again). The actual loaded round neck diameter is likely to be 0.405" on the 375. So the ratio is screen dimension * 0.54. So case length is 4.61 (screen dimension)*0.54=2.49" which makes sense. Base diameter would be about 0.52" and shoulder diameter would be about 0.500". This would make the case capacity somewhat larger than the 338 necked up as its base is 0.513" and shoulder is 0.49". Not much of a difference but a bit. If necked to 30 caliber it should beat the 300 Win Mag but would lag behind the Weatherby and Dakota but it would be a very good fit in the 3.34" length magazine boxes where the 300 Win Mag is a pretty tight fit. Anyway I hope this cartridge does well and that other calibers based on it will follow. Bruin

Well I think its a great idea!

Why not? If Hornaday and Ruger can market this cartridge effectively enough, it will put a nice .375 in the hands of the average gun guy. The old standbys always get the job done, but why not a new cartridge every now and again?

The 325 WSM hasn't been dropped yet and if the anybody will ever produce a production rifle for the 338 Federal, it will probably fair well enough too. I don't see why the 375 Ruger shouldn't see the light of day.

(If they want to ensure 375 Ruger's survivability...they aught to get with Battenfield Technologies and have A&B produce barrels chambered for it... )

Agree it would make most sense to have a rim and head diameter of 0.532", and that would make it an unique, new case. Well it's about time!

Not just an H&H with the belt and rim turned down.

Can the .416 Ruger be far behind? .308 Ruger? .338 Ruger? .404 Ruger?

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Originally posted by RIP:
Can the .416 Ruger be far behind? .308 Ruger? .338 Ruger? .404 Ruger?

If they make the 416 or 404 in left hand, I'll order one sight unseen!

Would this cartridge be legal for use on cape buffalo?

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Originally posted by stevie:
Would this cartridge be legal for use on cape buffalo?

We really don't know much about it yet......but in all likelyhood the answer is yes

i think im in loooove!

i think it will sell like hotcakes...

rip, you read my mind...

i think its kinda like the gloried 35 newton

35, 9,3 411 416 423 aint far behind once brass is released.

416 makes the most sense though...

i think i will do the charlie brown dance now (doo duh da doo doo da dooo dooo...dooo da dooo...dooo da doo x3)

THe parent case is not a true 338 because it has a belt, and the 375 Ruger has not. I will call my Ruger Rep today and see if he can enlighten us.

According to Hornady (I called Ruger but they are closed this week) The parent case is a 300 win mag without the belt.

Essentially this is a beltless .375 Taylor

One can guess the potential performance from there.....it's an "almost" .375 H&H in a shorter action.

Actually the performance difference is nearly nothing. And this is a fairly easy fit in a VZ-24

It's the first 375 clone that makes some sense to me. I don't see the need for more velocity than the 375 H&H gives for african use.

465H&H