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Baobab in Mozambique with old carved faces from the Portuguese era.


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very cool photo Steve!
 
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I've heard of Portuguese Heart Shots, not mug shots.
None of those faces look happy.
Some kind of muti?
Any tales from the bush to go with that tree?
 
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Lots of interesting things about those trees. Not least amongst 'em the fact that one about 12 metres in circumference is said to be about 4 thousand years old.

They also can swell or shink by something like a metre depending on dryness of the season etc.

Elephants love to eat the fruit and bark and if you take a close look at the bark of one, you can usually see old Elephant damage up to the height an Elephant can reach and after that, the tree has repaired itself and is smooth.

Fruits are edible and very refreshing and have a high vitamin content and are a good source for that damn stuff they use in baking but the name escapes me for the moment.

Also you don't see many young baobabs. One theory is that they don't germinate easily and because of that, the best germination occurs after the seeds have passed through an Elephant. If you look carefully, (it's easier from a light aircraft) you can often see lines of 'em that follow the contours of the ground, which would support the Elephant theory. As the animal strolled along, taking the natural path of least resistence, he defecates as he goes and that's where the trees germinate and grow.

I have to say, although it's an interesting picture, I'm not a fan of carving things in trees and if I caught kids doing it, esp to a baobob, I'd be inclined to knock the little bastards heads together. Maybe that makes me a crusty old bugger, but that's how I feel about it. I guess when these were done, both times and attitudes were different though.

Oh yes, and they're one of my two most favourite trees in the bush. The other being the fever tree. FWIW, I have 7 fever trees in the garden and a baobab on the stoep. (The baobab's only about a foot high though! Smiler

Hope all that waffle helps or at least is of interest. Smiler






 
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Shakari - Any commercial production of Baobob lumber or is the tree endangered/protected ...?? What does the lumber look like ...??
 
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Interesting to me that the faces, if they were in fact carved so long ago, are still at such a low height. Reason I say this is because as a kid we used to climb beech trees, and used to with some amazement see carvings some 50 feet up the tree, far higher than where we could climb. Some of the grafitti you could make out, just barely though, with the strecthing and growth of the tree. One I remember had initials and the year 1917 on it. Maybe boababs tend to grow out over time, rather than up. In any event, great tree and cool pic.


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Lots of interesting things about those trees. Not least amongst 'em the fact that one about 12 metres in circumference is said to be about 4 thousand years old.

They also can swell or shink by something like a metre depending on dryness of the season etc.

Elephants love to eat the fruit and bark and if you take a close look at the bark of one, you can usually see old Elephant damage up to the height an Elephant can reach and after that, the tree has repaired itself and is smooth.

Fruits are edible and very refreshing and have a high vitamin content and are a good source for that damn stuff they use in baking but the name escapes me for the moment.

Also you don't see many young baobobs. One theory is that they don't germinate easily and because of that, the best germination occurs after the seeds have passed through an Elephant. If you look carefully, (it's easier from a light aircraft) you can often see lines of 'em that follow the contours of the ground, which would support the Elephant theory. As the animal strolled along, taking the natural path of least resistence, he defecates as he goes and that's where the trees germinate and grow.

I have to say, although it's an interesting picture, I'm not a fan of carving things in trees and if I caught kids doing it, esp to a baobob, I'd be inclined to knock the little bastards heads together. Maybe that makes me a crusty old bugger, but that's how I feel about it. I guess when these were done, both times and attitudes were different though.

Oh yes, and they're one of my two most favourite trees in the bush. The other being the fever tree. FWIW, I have 7 fever trees in the garden and a baobob on the stoep. (The baobob's only about a foot high though! Smiler

Hope all that waffle helps or at least is of interest. Smiler


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FWIW, I have 7 fever trees in the garden and a baobob on the stoep. (The baobob's only about a foot high though! Smiler

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Must have been tough to get an elephant to take a dump at the spot. Big Grin


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No, the wood has no commercial value that I know of. You'd expect the wood to very hard on a tree that grows that slowly, but it's the opposite and it's very pulpy indeed.

The inside of the seed pod is very refreshing on a hot day or after a looong tab.

Scientists in recent years have latched onto the fact that a lot of the trees in the bush have excellent medicinal values and the baobab along with the sausage tree and a few others are now being especially intensively researched for a wide variety of possible treatments.

Just do a Google on medicinal uses for baobabs and you'll probably get umpteen answers.






 
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Harris, I couldn't get the Elephant to use a bidet, so he had to just wipe his arse! Wink

General comment:

Here's a couple showing Elephant damage. Note how the bark damage stops at the top of the Elephant feed height:









 
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Steve,

Interesting you mention that about the elephants propagating baobabs along the contour lines....

Close to Chiredzi town there is a hill called Baobab hill. Aptly named as it is covered in Baobabs. Well, actually only one side of the hill is covered in baobabs - the side facing town. The far side is totally devoid of the trees. Kind of a mystery for me for a while, until someone explained that the side where there are baobobs is the side sheltered from the prevailing wind, and therefore also the side where the baboons hang out and roost....

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Thank the Lord that baobab wood has no commercial value, but the bark is a different story. Here in Zim, people debark the trees and make mats and other rubbish. Many, many baobabs have been killed by this practice.

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Dave,

I'm sure it's not just Elephants that help the germination rate but am sure they need help. We tried to grow some from seed and couldn't get any results until we tried various ways of splitting that tough outer skin the seed have. Best results were to dip 'em in hot water and then slit the skin with a knife.

I've just remembered the oil is also used for something....... women's beauty treatment rings a bell but I'm not 100% sure on that.

Just remembered that the leaf is also edible and as well as being high in Vit C it's also supposed to be high in calcium.

Oh and that stuff they use in baking that I couldn't remember the name of is tartaric acid!






 
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I'm sure it's not just Elephants that help the germination rate but am sure they need help. We tried to grow some from seed and couldn't get any results until we tried various ways of splitting that tough outer skin the seed have. Best results were to dip 'em in hot water and then slit the skin with a knife.

I've just remembered the oil is also used for something....... women's beauty treatment rings a bell but I'm not 100% sure on that.

Just remembered that the leaf is also edible and as well as being high in Vit C it's also supposed to be high in calcium.


No, no Steve, I wasn't suggesting anything contrary to what you said. I've also heard that elephants are the best propagators of baobabs. Just thought you'd be interested in that snippet about the fact that baobabs only grow on one side of the hill, and why. I really enjoy trying to get to the bottom of these little bush mysteries. Haven't yet managed to figure out why giraffe's never crossed the Lundi River though....

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There's a famous picture in (I think) one of the Elephant books of a big tusker that had been feeding on a large branch of a baobab and as he fed, the branch got so weakened, it fell off the tree and broke the tusker's back and pinned him there.






 
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I met a scientist fellow a few years ago who was involved in studying the medicinal properties of the baobab. Doing cancer research if I remember correctly....
 
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Dave,

I didn't think you were buddy..... and I am genuinely interested to read your comment about the baboons. It certainly makes sense but I wasn't aware of it. Thanks for the gen.

I always find it interesting to look at them from the air and wonder how long ago they started growing and what the bush looked like at that time.

I got so engrossed in doing that once, I damn nearly flew into one of the bloody things - Thankfully, my co-pilot was watching things a lot closer that I was! rotflmo






 
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I met a scientist fellow a few years ago who was involved in studying the medicinal properties of the baobab. Doing cancer research if I remember correctly....


I think they're doing a lot of research into both the baobab and the sausage tree as a treatment for colon cancer amongst others and get an idea most of it is being done by the Swiss......






 
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Interesting to me that the faces, if they were in fact carved so long ago, are still at such a low height. Reason I say this is because as a kid we used to climb beech trees, and used to with some amazement see carvings some 50 feet up the tree, far higher than where we could climb. Some of the grafitti you could make out, just barely though, with the strecthing and growth of the tree. One I remember had initials and the year 1917 on it. Maybe boababs tend to grow out over time, rather than up. In any event, great tree and cool pic.


The two best faces on this side are at about 7 feet and 12 feet, if you can make them out. the ones at my knees were probably done recently by children.


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the ones at my knees were probably done recently by children.


I heard they were aliens, Mexican I think.


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We have the same tree over here but we call it the Boab. Its being grown as a crop in the Kimberly's and the roots/leaves and even the whole tree is eaten (when its just come out of the ground, like asparagas)

http://www.sbs.com.au/food/rec...piced-chickpea-salad

http://www.sbs.com.au/food/rec...Laksa-with-boab-root


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Interesting to me that the faces, if they were in fact carved so long ago, are still at such a low height. Reason I say this is because as a kid we used to climb beech trees, and used to with some amazement see carvings some 50 feet up the tree, far higher than where we could climb. Some of the grafitti you could make out, just barely though, with the strecthing and growth of the tree. One I remember had initials and the year 1917 on it. Maybe boababs tend to grow out over time, rather than up. In any event, great tree and cool pic.


I think what you saw were carvings that were carved right where you saw them in relation to the gound. No tree grows from the ground up, but extends it's hight from the top of the tree, as new growth increases the hight of the tree. The only growth of a tree from the ground up is in diameter! BOTANY 101! coffee


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This is one reason why I love AR. Very, very informative and very interesting. By the way, they are my favorite African tree!
 
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Alf,

We tried various methods to get them to germinate, but found the best way was to get a pan of water boiling and put the seeds in a sieve and plt them in the water for about a second or two......... literally, just in and out, then straight into cool water. We then cut the thick skin with a very sharp knife. I guess we've probably done about a dozen but got 100% germination in seed trays. We kept one and gave the rest away.

Interstingly, come winter, they shed all their leaves but grow new ones in the spring.

Going slightly off topic, can anyone tell me why the giant candelabra or euphorbis ingens almost always grows right next to or in a cluster of other trees and rarely completely on it's own? - I've no idea, but I have noticed it and always wondered why?






 
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Contact these fella's Steve and Alf. They've seemed to have worked out a way to germinate them.

http://boabsinthekimberley.com.au/boabtrees.htm


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