I don't hunt or shoot in extreme cold.

KB

Then you're good to go.

I never said that I wanted a carbon fiber forearm either, but if I had one I would use it until it gave a problem.

I like the simple look of the Hogue, so when the time comes, I'll probably buy a set with the grip and the forend and try them.

KB

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
I never said that I wanted a carbon fiber forearm either, but if I had one I would use it until it gave a problem.

I like the simple look of the Hogue, so when the time comes, I'll probably buy a set with the grip and the forend and try them.

KB

There's a couple styles of the carbon fiber tubes. Most of them the tube is glued to the barrel nut and these necessitate a strap wrench to torque the barrel nut. I'm not real enamored with that style. The other is like the from Clark where the tube isn't glued on the barrel nut. It has an innovative method of attachment.

Now that Hogue may be heavy, I've never had one, but you could spray an aluminum tube like those from DPMS (which I have used) and it would give it a better grip and not as cold. Have I sprayed my DPMS tubes? No..haven't found a reason to. I have used the Hogue overmolded pistol grips.

I'm curious about something. Just how much difference in weight and handiness is there comparing the AR15 to the size AR for the 308, (whatever that's called - AR10?) such as the Remington R25? I'm talking about rifles with the least tacticool stuff hanging off it.

KB

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
I'm curious about something. Just how much difference in weight and handiness is there comparing the AR15 to the size AR for the 308, (whatever that's called - AR10?) such as the Remington R25? I'm talking about rifles with the least tacticool stuff hanging off it.

KB

Depends on whether is has a long varmint barrel or sporter barrel, plus what type of stock it has. In addition to being a little heavier they are also bigger, the receivers are longer and wider.

Doesn't deal with your particular caliber choice, but if this is your first AR15 would suggest you build it yourself. Not hard to do and choices for components endless. Check out Wideners for LRB forged stripped lower(dealer cost around 65.00) and Delton for complete kit other than receiver(all other required parts included,cost around 500.00) and you are off and running. Lots of choices as to uppers as time goes by. Ohio Ordnance Works has M16 FN 20" barrels, excellent conditon w/ FH/BL, etc. ready to install in upper receiver. The Delton pkg. includes barrel of choice, but just mentioning the FN barrel. Above makes for very serviceable firearm without creating a "money pit." Just a suggestion.

Specific suggestions and references like that are very helpful. Thanks

Are parts on the AR 15 interchangable from one make to another. For example, will DPMS kits and parts work on a RRA receiver, etc. ?

KB

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
Specific suggestions and references like that are very helpful. Thanks

Are parts on the AR 15 interchangable from one make to another. For example, will DPMS kits and parts work on a RRA receiver, etc. ?

KB

Being that it's a milspec rifle all the parts "should" be milspec so to answer your question yes. In reality it depends on how close the various manufacturers hold their tolerances. AR 10 platform, being that they are not milspec because the rifle never was, aren't all interchangeable.

Well SJ, that info speaks well towards favoring the AR15. Also, if I can get a rifle that's shorter and lighter (by maybe a pound) that's a BIG factor too. I'm seeing some good deals on 308 carbine uppers, and lowers, and although the 308 is a fabulous cartridge, it's the blast that I'm concerned about, and a heavier than necessary rifle. If I can do what I want with less blast, and smaller package, that's appealing.

I may have specific questions later, and post them as I think of them.

KB

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
Well SJ, that info speaks well towards favoring the AR15. Also, if I can get a rifle that's shorter and lighter (by maybe a pound) that's a BIG factor too. I'm seeing some good deals on 308 carbine uppers, and lowers, and although the 308 is a fabulous cartridge, it's the blast that I'm concerned about, and a heavier than necessary rifle. If I can do what I want with less blast, and smaller package, that's appealing.

I may have specific questions later, and post them as I think of them.

KB

I can you this if you don't like the blast...don't put a flash hider on it. Besides that makes it about two inches longer, more blast, and ruins your accuracy. I've tested this....shooting my rifle with and without the flash hider. After just the weight of it on the end of the barrel changes the harmonics of the barrel. Besides you don't need it for target shooting or hunting. Not unless the animals you're hunting are shooting back.

I've started to investigate that 7.92x33 we talked about. I'm calling it the AR Sturmgewehr.

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Originally posted by SmokinJ:
..don't put a flash hider on it....

I've started to investigate that 7.92x33 we talked about. I'm calling it the AR Sturmgewehr.

I wondered about the flash hider and brake too. Thanks for the info. That settles that, as far as I'm concerned.

Keep us posted about the 7.92x33. I think it's an excellent idea for the AR15. My analysis of it, based on what I think I know, is that it is fraught with little problem in being a very successful cartridge out of the AR15. Bolt, barrel, reamer, brass, ammo, dies, all are minor issues, basicaly like any other cartridge.

The only issue that I can't envision a solution to is the magazine. I'm relatively sure something can be modified to work, and it could be just adjusting the lips, maybe the follower, and it may be a small problem. I just don't know for sure.

That's the way I see it.

KB

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:

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Originally posted by SmokinJ:
..don't put a flash hider on it....

I've started to investigate that 7.92x33 we talked about. I'm calling it the AR Sturmgewehr.

I wondered about the flash hider and brake too. Thanks for the info. That settles that, as far as I'm concerned.

Keep us posted about the 7.92x33. I think it's an excellent idea for the AR15.

KB

Now I've seen suppressors ( know no they aren't flash hiders or breaks) do all kind of things. I've seen them enhance accuracy, ruin it, or not change it. The flash hider I'm talking about is the AR 2 which is the squirrel cage type. The AR 2 the bottom is solid. The A 1 it's caged all the way around. Okay the muzzle threads (on an AR 10) are approx. 5/8th inch long. The thread hole in the A 2 hinder for it is on the order double that. So we have the bullet exiting the muzzle then it's in a chamber that's about little then 5/8ths inch in diameter for say 9/16th inch before it enters the bore hole in the rear of the hider which is slightly larger then the bullet. So there definitely is disturbance from that. Next it's in the cage which the bottom slots are closed off so that means the gas is trying to go two ways...past the bullet and up out the top vents. This is more unequal disturbance. Like I said you don't need it on a hunting rifle.

KB if you are worried about a cold metal hand gaurd. Just get some heat shrink at a local electrical supply store. You should have several colors to chose from. Then all you do is add layer until you are satified.

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Originally posted by mdvjrp93:
KB if you are worried about a cold metal hand gaurd. Just get some heat shrink at a local electrical supply store. You should have several colors to chose from. Then all you do is add layer until you are satified.

Or like I mentioned spray it with the Plasti-Coat they sale in spray now. Comes in black too.

My Grendel magazines arrived today. I loaded them with some handloads I have for my Ruger bolt action 6.5 Grendel. Perfect fit - OAL. Nice fit. The straight wall case is an obvious plus for the AR platform. I can see how they will align nicely, practically jump straight on into the chamber as they leave the magazine. I like to savor the little things and each step in a rifle project. Now I'll build a rifle around those magazines.

Happiness for a gun nut is a new rifle build. This is a lot easier than a Mauser build, and new turf for an old dog.

BTW, I did a post on my bolt action Grendel, and the deer I got with it last season. In case you missed it, the cartridge proved itself to me as a primo deer cartridge. It just whacks them. I hate to compare it to another cartridge, but it's like the 257 Roberts or the 6.5x54. For a hunter who is careful with shot placment and range, etc., I think it has about the perfect ballistics. The mild blast and light recoil is something I really like too. To me, it's a pure aficionado's cartridge, from whatever aspect you look at it, for deer and hog size game. It's just an opinion that I thought I should say, and it's forty years of moderate experience that led me to that opinion. I really like the 308, and have several, and don't plan on giving them up, however I think it's actually more powerful than necessary for the task.

I have big bores and magnums too, and still enjoy them, but this little Grendel is in a special class, which definately is the epitome of the enjoyment of shooting. And from my limited experience in handloading that specific cartridge, it's a gem, and I've been handloading for more than 40 years.

KB

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
My Grendel magazines arrived today. I loaded them with some handloads I have for my Ruger bolt action 6.5 Grendel. Perfect fit - OAL. Nice fit. The straight wall case is an obvious plus for the AR platform. I can see how they will align nicely, practically jump straight on into the chamber as they leave the magazine. I like to savor the little things and each step in a rifle project. Now I'll build a rifle around those magazines.

Happiness for a gun nut is a new rifle build. This is a lot easier than a Mauser build, and new turf for an old dog.

BTW, I did a post on my bolt action Grendel, and the deer I got with it last season. In case you missed it, the cartridge proved itself to me as a primo deer cartridge. It just whacks them. I hate to compare it to another cartridge, but it's like the 257 Roberts or the 6.5x54. For a hunter who is careful with shot placment and range, etc., I think it has about the perfect ballistics. The mild blast and light recoil is something I really like too. To me, it's a pure aficionado's cartridge, from whatever aspect you look at it, for deer and hog size game. It's just an opinion that I thought I should say, and it's forty years of moderate experience that led me to that opinion. I really like the 308, and have several, and don't plan on giving them up, however I think it's actually more powerful than necessary for the task.

KB

Yeah it's right there with the 6.5X54MS, 6.5 Carcano, and 6.5 Jap....but way behind a 6.5 Swede.

I like mine a lot.

You copied my post before I was finished editing --- again.

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
I have big bores and magnums too, and still enjoy them, but this little Grendel is in a special class, which definately is the epitome of the enjoyment of shooting. And from my limited experience in handloading that specific cartridge, it's a gem, and I've been handloading for more than 40 years.
KB

I've handloaded the 6.5 Swede, and I can see very well why it's popular now as it has been for over 100 years. I am very fond of the 6.5x55 in a bolt action rifle, and I have a Winchester M70 short action that's dedicated to a 260 project. I'm saying that IMO the 6.5 Grendel is in the same class. I believe it's that good, but obviously it can't compete with the 6.5x55, or the 260, ballistically. That's not the point, or maybe it is. The 6.5x55 or the 260 can't be used in the AR15, but the Grendel is well adapted. It squeezes out the great performance from the platform without going to the extremes of pressure and stress, like the 30 AR.

Edited: I looked at the pressure (psi) of the 6.5 Grendel compared to the 30 AR, and noted the similarity. The difference is in the case head diameter. Assuming that the difference in the rim diameter is of no consequence (big assumption) obviously the 30 AR is the primo performer for the AR15. Pressure is apparantly not the primary factor?

What do ye think about that?

KB

The 260 is chambered in the AR 10's.

260 is a standard caliber for the r25 (ar10) as well as 308 .. and 308 gets my dollars, fwiw