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Ive always though 35 cals were interesting because they are kind of a oddity . I am wanting to get into reloading this year and I was think well if I am reloading I might as well get into wildcatting . Long story short what is the most powerful or biggest 35 caliber wildcat possible ?
I dont have quickload to test any ideas with yet .
I was just thinking what would it take to get those 35 cal projectiles to 4000 fps ?
Is there anything larger than the 35-378 ?
 
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358 Cheytac, 358 Hubel Express.

Bertram has new 338 Raptor brass that is basically a longer 338 Lapua.

I would love to read about whatever choice you make.
 
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I have seen the 375 based on Eds 585 he case . I think it won the 2 mile competition ?
Actually I was thinking 35-600 overkill since the 600 is the biggest round possible to fit in a cz 550.
I havnt even heard of a 358 cheytac .
 
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As far as I know, no one has built a 358 Cheytac. (505 Gibbs parent case).

I would love to see a 358/600 Overkill. And buy a dummy round from you if you go ahead with it.
 
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I talked to pacnor this morning they said they could build a .358 fast twist barrel 1.75" diameter to fit a 50 bmg action . It would probably mimic the old 375-50 bmg that used to be around . I wonder how fast that would push a 200gr ttsx ? haha
 
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Some has built a super .358 cartridge .
CEB didnt just make that 340gr bullet for no reason . I suppose I could email them and ask
 
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Realguns built one off the 378 Weatherby.

358-378 RG
 
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I remember that article from years back .
3700fps with a 200gr is impressive .
 
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What I want to do is take the 375-50 and take it down to 358-50 . I wonder if that wildcat is already in quickloads software ?
 
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I used to own a 35 Wells Magnum....a necked-down 378 Weatherby by Fred Wells. It was in a Mannlicher-stocked rifle with a 26" barrel! Apparently he made it for himself. I talked to Rachael about it.
 
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I always found 35s interesting . Always wanted a 35 sta myself .

Might build something else on the 50 bmg action .

Been looking at 350 g&h brass .
would make a nice rifle if built on a cz 550
 
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A 35 on the 50 spotter case might make more sense then the full size 50 case.
 
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no bullets for anything past 2800fps .. none

so, to answer your question, 35x105mm ..... dumb, but yeah ... 358 norma is the best practical, there's no improvement, considering bullet limitations .. the BEST 35 is the 358/9x57 twins


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He wants to use a machined solid VLD.

Someone mentioned a 358 Hubel Express and longrangehunting.com. Not sure it ever progressed beyond a CAD drawing.
 
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A 358 CT would probably give some small benefits over the 375 CT but at a big cost. I don't see more practical than going bigger than the CT case.


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no bullets for anything past 2800fps .. none

so, to answer your question, 35x105mm ..... dumb, but yeah ... 358 norma is the best practical, there's no improvement, considering bullet limitations .. the BEST 35 is the 358/9x57 twins



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The best 35 was the 350 Rigby, followed by the 35 Newton.


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old My .358x.404 IMP which later became the .358x.375 UM-IMP. Roll Eyesroger beer


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Wow. Cool thread for 35 cal. lovers!

I have a 35 Whelen and a 358 STA. Hunted a number of animals with the Whelen, but none so far with the STA.

I like Boomie's and Bartsche's favorites too. I guess my next 35 will be a Norma Mag. I'd really like one made on the full length 375 Ruger case also.

Long live the 358 caliber!!
 
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I still hear some here claim the 35 calibers limitation is bullets, I say balderdash to that. My son and I and now grandsons have shot a couple .358 STA’s for many years now for animals larger than Deer and a few Mule Deer. Alaska, Africa, Alberta and British Columbia are ideal for the STA’s with tough bullets like Barnes, Northfork and Nosler Partitions. My go to bullet for dangerous game and Elk has been the 270 grain Northfork at 2900 fps. My son shot a huge Bull Elk with the 270 grainer through both shoulders at 125 yards up a snowy Thornburg mountain in North West Colorado. When he got up to the Bull he discovered a Cow Elk 20 yards beyond the Bull bedded under a pine tree. When the Cow didn’t move he checked her out and she was dead with a bullet hole in the side of her head. We dug the bullet out the next day. We were the only hunters on the mountain that day using that bullet. We sent it in to Mike Brady of Northfork. He measured it and it still had 91% of it’s weight. You see why I don’t want to hear the 35’s are limited by good bullets.


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I still hear some here claim the 35 calibers limitation is bullets, I say balderdash to that. My son and I and now grandsons have shot a couple .358 STA’s for many years now for animals larger than Deer and a few Mule Deer. Alaska, Africa, Alberta and British Columbia are ideal for the STA’s with tough bullets like Barnes, Northfork and Nosler Partitions. My go to bullet for dangerous game and Elk has been the 270 grain Northfork at 2900 fps. My son shot a huge Bull Elk with the 270 grainer through both shoulders at 125 yards up a snowy Thornburg mountain in North West Colorado. When he got up to the Bull he discovered a Cow Elk 20 yards beyond the Bull bedded under a pine tree. When the Cow didn’t move he checked her out and she was dead with a bullet hole in the side of her head. We dug the bullet out the next day. We were the only hunters on the mountain that day using that bullet. We sent it in to Mike Brady of Northfork. He measured it and it still had 91% of it’s weight. You see why I don’t want to hear the 35’s are limited by good bullets.


I have wanted a 358 sta for years . Its always held this certain allure to me that I cant quite explain . My brother likewise has the same dream of same day finding a 8mm rem mag .

I had gave building a 358 STA serious thought but no idea what action to use . It is probably the biggest that can be practical of the 35s . Cant find any brass in stock but did see 350 g&h brass .
 
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I saw another thread at longrangehunting.com that mentioned Bruce Baer firing a 358 Cheytac. He used machined solids at a mile, with poor results.
 
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The two STA’s I have shot extensively are both customs built Model 70 Winchester’s. One from Winchester’s custom shop that produced 58 rifles for A-Square rifle company several years ago that I was lucky enough to buy. It is of pre 64 design, stainless with gorgeous red walnut. My second rifle is also a custom build by a Wyoming gunsmith. It is a post 64 Winchester action with Lilja barrel. It had a fine Thumbhole stock that punished my knuckles when I shot it so I put an HS Prescishion stock on it. Both are super accurate and have taken much game for me my son and now grandsons starting. I have resized 8mm Rem brass and then bought brass from Superior Ammo with the STA stamp on it before it sold. Other brass company’s sell it. I say all this to say there is no real mystery as to actions or brass for the STA’s, if you want one go for it. We use ours in country where large dangerous animals can be encountered. I took one to Africa for plains game and it was ideal, it has also taken many Bulls in Colorado for me and my son. This is my experience with STA’s for what it is worth. Good Shooting.


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Time to rethink that. Cutting Edge Bullets makes Fantastic bullets that want all the velocity you can push. I personally have taken 3 pigs and 2 deer with 150gr ER Raptors pushed to a muzzle velocity just over 3100fps in a Remington model 600 350 Rem Mag 18" barrel. Bullet performance was spectacular !


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Maybe some enterprising soul will take a 375 Allen Magnum down to .358?


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Due to health problems in the way and shoulders replaced. I haven't gotten back to test firing my .358U/mag.

The only loads I've fired so far were 15 shots w/250gr, and 90gr 7828=avg 2884fps. Recoil is pretty damned stout.
Pretty good for a starting load.
I have loads ready up to 100gr. Damned health issues just don't seem to let up. Looks like a knee in about a month, hope that's next.

Good to know CEB makes bullets that work well.
I had this rifle built for a water buff cull shoot back in '13 til I got sick. Sure don't look like I'll ever make it back to hunting let alone to AU.

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If you want to find some range time I’ll come down and do some test firing for you.


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Built a 35-378 some years back, mostly because I had all the parts around and was on a 35 kick then. At that time there were few good 35 bullets for the speeds it was capable of. - dan


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I am personally a fan of the .358 Norma and my current one is built on a 1903 Springfield action in which I shoot 225-grain Noslers at 2,800 fps. I also have a .35 Whelen on a Browning (Winchester clone) Model 95 lever action that I shoot with 250-grain Nosler Partitions at 2,400 fps. I have played with a wildcat .358 Dakota (.330 Dakota necked up to .358), which for all practical purposes is the ballistic twin to the .358 Norma. I suspect that a .358 STA is in my future. I have twice started to build one, only to go down a different path.


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Posted awhile back in the:
Custom Built Rifles: rebarrel .300 RUM. the report on my rifle with some
recent shooting of the .358U/M.

Since the last post, a friend came out
from Md and shot it.

95gr 7828 250gr, turned out 3260fps.

IMO, that's enough. Haven't yet, but,
intend to pull the heavier loads.
No sign of pressure with these three shots.
He didn't fire anything heavier, I didn't see
the point and we quit.

Muzzle blast under the awning sure was
loud and reverberated from the berms a
bunch too. Jack fired about 15 shots
from an unstable "bench" standing up.
Muzzle jumped 3" off the front bag, just
holding the rear with both hands and bag.
All shots were within about a 6" pattern.
Mostly due to the sorry bench set up and wind.
He really didn't try for accuracy, solely wanted chronograph readings. Cold wind was
miserable. IF not for me going in for a new
knee the next day we wouldn't have gone at all that day.

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Does anyone know why Winchester opted for the 32 WSM over the 358 WSM?


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Does anyone know why Winchester opted for the 32 WSM over the 358 WSM?


I suppose the standard answer would be that the 35 caliber doesn’t sell well in America.

But I think the same could be said for the 32 caliber!!

Go figure...
 
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Ot could be tomfurther a spiked in 8mm bullets over there,but no exact idea. But it came some 225 new bullets for it .

340 Ceb would be something good to singlefeed in a few loads. But 225 Accubond shoot flat also. Wish it had been a 300 RN,Spitzsr, BtHP and in Varmint and bonded,cup and core versions of them.


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Joe at realguns did a .358/378wby about 10yrs ago. That's gonna be about the top level of velocity performance. Too bad his site is now pay for view.

Saw several sets of .358/284 dies on Ebay a year or two back. Now THAT is a great wildcat. 35 Whelen performance with a great seating flexibility. Do one in long action receiver and you're set for loading heavy bullets.

I prefer the .338 bore to the .35 or .375 because of the great bullet selection.
 
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I, too, like the 35 caliber; always have. 338 is good; but too common.
The answer to your question is, the .35-50 BMG.
 
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I had a Mauser done my Fred Wells in 35 Wells....a 378 Wby necked down to 3 caliber.
 
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I was just thinking what would it take to get those 35 cal projectiles to 4000 fps ?
If someone built it.....could you shoot it?


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Back in the day I had a win pre 64 mod. 70 in a 300 H&H necked up to 35 caliber..It was fairly popular in the 50s and early 60s..I recall it was a dandy long range rifle, but don't remember loads and ballistic data...As I recall Ackley made reference to it at one time..It sure shot flat and killed quickly on elk, bear and deer...recoil was ok and I like the caliber.At the time it was highly praised..Can't remember the name of the cartridge..Maybe 35 H&H???


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Was the Griffin and Howe -.350 G&H?
 
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