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QUESTION: If Ruger were to develope the 358 Ruger Magnum, based on the full length 375 Ruger case, and Hornady made the ammo, would you buy one?

It has already been wildcatted. I am an unapologetic true fan of 35 caliber rifles. I only own 35 Whelens and a 358 STA, but I have always wanted a 358 Norma Mag. My preference however, would be the above mentioned round.

Any other medium bore 35 caliber fans out there who would support this developement?
 
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I think that splitting the difference and making the 9.3 or 366 Ruger would make a lot of sense.
Of course, 9.3s seem to be what I’m into at the moment.
 
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I think that splitting the difference and making the 9.3 or 366 Ruger would make a lot of sense.
Of course, 9.3s seem to be what I’m into at the moment.


I love 35 calibers and would buy a 358 Ruger Magnum in a heartbeat.

But I love 9.3s as well. I have '62s, '74s, and one '66. The '66 is getting the #3 package at Wayne's shop.

The 9.3x66 and a 358 Ruger (or Norma) are/would be my two ideal medium bores for Africa.
 
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They would be pretty ideal for Alaska as well.
I think Ruger gots rocks in their noggin for not bringing out the 338 Ruger.
Not the RCM but the full length.
If I KNEW !!!!! That there would be brass readily available for a LONG time to come I would be interested in one. But as I'm hopefully picking up my 4th 375 Ruger tomorrow. And it should not stray from my grubby mitts. I'll prolly just stick with it.

I've done my time with unique read hard to easily acquire brass.
The 375/300 Win mag that I made a couple dummy carts for this afternoon. Fit my new way of looking at cartridges. I won't send a 375 Ruger or 338 Winchester down the road again. But, I do think the 375/300 Winchester would be pretty ideal as far as easy to come by components.


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The 358x375 Ruger would be the modern iteration of the 35 Newton. Case would be slightly "improved" but very close.

What's not to like?
 
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Just something to compare with.
I built a .358 U/Mag on a 26" barreled
1917 Enfield a few years ago.

The only two loads I've shot thru it so far
have been fire forming loads of 10gr Red Dot with 158gr 38 SWC's, maybe 250 or so of those into the bullet trap mostly. They chrono around 1150fps.

For hunting loads I was starting to test those. I loaded from 90gr up to 100gr 7828 with 250gr slugs.

The only one's I fired were 15 of the 90gr. All thru the chrono: avg 2884fps.

That's the starting loads. Just after that I had a shoulder replacement and haven't gotten back to it yet.

I built the rifle with plans for a OZ buff cull hunt. Then before it was done I got sick, then the shoulders were replaced. Two weeks ago I had a R rotator cuff fixed. Doubt I'll get to shooting it again this year.

Just wanted to share these loads and results since the conversation was started.

I used both 7mm and 300 ultra mag brass I paid a buck each for. I quickly discovered split necks 80% of the time. Then I decided to anneal them after wrecking 30 or so. Another lesson learned.
Dropped 'em hot in cold water as everyone claims. 7 of the 10 split. Next batch I let air cool in a can. Not a single one split of those 20. SO that's how I annealed the rest of 500 cases, air cooled. Not one split since.

Just sharing MY experience's is all. Do you as wish.

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If you want a good 358 Magnum, then that 375 Ruger case would be ideal..and easy to load just neck down the Ruger 375 to 358 and be done with it...It would duplicate the 358 Norma, a gran cartridge in its own right, and then some..


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Yes I would buy one, not because I need another 358 caliber, I have them covered but because it’s a 358 cartridge.


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Yes I would buy one, not because I need another 358 caliber, I have them covered but because it’s a 358 cartridge.


Another 35 caliber aficionado!! tu2
 
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If you want a good 358 Magnum, then that 375 Ruger case would be ideal..and easy to load just neck down the Ruger 375 to 358 and be done with it...It would duplicate the 358 Norma, a gran cartridge in its own right, and then some..


Well said Ray!

Couldn't agree more!!
 
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Just what I need, another wildcat. However, I can see the sense in this one.


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It is called the 103 year old 35 Newton. Reamers and dies already available.


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Boy, that 35 Newton (or 358 Ruger) would be something with those 310gr Woodleighs!
What twist would be needed for something like that?
 
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I know that I would want a 1 in 10 twist. Assholes are like opinions. It's all relative but you need one and it's probably shitty.


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No less than 1:12, but Boomie is probably right!
 
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I had to ask if anyone has one completed? Just thinkin here. Have a 673 in 350 Rem Mag. Wondering if a rebarrel, on a fast twist might be the cat's pajamas. A substantial increase in power? Still mulling it over. I just don't think I want a long barreled gun to achieve a nice paycheck in power. Packy
 
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QUESTION: If Ruger were to develope the 358 Ruger Magnum, based on the full length 375 Ruger case, and Hornady made the ammo, would you buy one?

It has already been wildcatted. I am an unapologetic true fan of 35 caliber rifles. I only own 35 Whelens and a 358 STA, but I have always wanted a 358 Norma Mag. My preference however, would be the above mentioned round.

Any other medium bore 35 caliber fans out there who would support this developement?
I have a 350 remington magnum. Why would this be any better?
 
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QUESTION: If Ruger were to develope the 358 Ruger Magnum, based on the full length 375 Ruger case, and Hornady made the ammo, would you buy one?

It has already been wildcatted. I am an unapologetic true fan of 35 caliber rifles. I only own 35 Whelens and a 358 STA, but I have always wanted a 358 Norma Mag. My preference however, would be the above mentioned round.

Any other medium bore 35 caliber fans out there who would support this developement?
I have a 350 remington magnum. Why would this be any better?


Only if the increase in velocity is attractive to you.

Your 350RM has about the same ballistics as my beloved 35 Whelen: 250 gr. bullet @ 2,400-2,500 fps.

The 358 Norma offers the same 250 gr. bullet at about 2,800 fps.

The 358 Ruger Magnum would probably offer the same bullet at about 2,900 fps.

My 358 STA offers that bullet at 3,000 fps.
 
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QUESTION: If Ruger were to develope the 358 Ruger Magnum, based on the full length 375 Ruger case, and Hornady made the ammo, would you buy one?

It has already been wildcatted. I am an unapologetic true fan of 35 caliber rifles. I only own 35 Whelens and a 358 STA, but I have always wanted a 358 Norma Mag. My preference however, would be the above mentioned round.

Any other medium bore 35 caliber fans out there who would support this developement?
I have a 350 remington magnum. Why would this be any better?


Only if the increase in velocity is attractive to you.

Your 350RM has about the same ballistics as my beloved 35 Whelen: 250 gr. bullet @ 2,400-2,500 fps.

The 358 Norma offers the same 250 gr. bullet at about 2,800 fps.

The 358 Ruger Magnum would probably offer the same bullet at about 2,900 fps.

My 358 STA offers that bullet at 3,000 fps.


I have a 35 Whelen too. I get about the same results as you. I can't see that 200-300 fps makes too much difference. I shoot 250 yards or less, generally less. I like my 600 at 6.5 pounds with the scope mounted, makes it easy to carry all day. My guess is the Ruger would be a good bit heavier.
 
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The 358x375 Ruger would be the modern iteration of the 35 Newton. Case would be slightly "improved" but very close.

What's not to like?

I've only had 2 Rugers ( mini 30& 45 SA) but a 358 Ruger would defineatly get my attention. In my experience a 275 or 300 gr 358 Norma Magnum performs right up there with the 375. A perfect cartridge for Alaskan hunting.


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Swift have a 280 grain, Northfork have some heavy ones, Woodleigh 275 PP aswell as the 310 grains . CEB heard has many good ones to choose from.


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A 358 Ruger with a 280 grain Swift Aframe for 2700 fps is my dream. No real advantage over a 375, but something I always wanted. Before the Ruger case it was the 358 STA with 275-310 grain bullets that were my dreams. Hell, I was naive enough to think I conceptualized the 358 on a 8mm REm Mag case only to find out I was a generation too late. I could not build the thought even if I had been first.

I do think there are some minimal case dimensions between the Ruger Case and Newton Case. These maybe distinctions without a difference.

Come on Ruger p. You can do it. Just, keep the stupid muzzle brakes and dumb , stubby short barrels away.
 
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Add me to the list of .358 junkies. I have a .35 Whelen and a .358 Norma. I keep thinking about building a .358 STA as a longer range hammer. I also have reloaded the .358 Dakota ( 330 Dakota necked to .358) for a friend, I like that one too. I also considered buying the Model 88 in the classifieds and reboring it to .358 WInchester. Then there is the constant temptation I feel when I find a decent .35 Remington in the $300 to $400 price range. On the other hand, there is the .350
Rigby that just oozes class, if I could find one in decent shape at something less than five figures I would consider it too. Yes, I have the .358 bug bad, so would likely bite if Ruger did a .358 on the .375 Ruger case.


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If Ruger were to develope the 358 Ruger Magnum, based on the full length 375 Ruger case, and Hornady made the ammo, would you buy one?


While this would be an undeniably fine cartridge for a very great number of medium game animals and even many dangerous game animals where legal....it simply offers very little more than the .358 Norma Magnum......and in my entire huntng career I've never seen one in use.....folks just don't see a practical use for it.

I've owned a .35 Whelen and loved it...also a 9.3 X 62 and a .338 Win Mag......and the lesson I've come to subscribe to is that if one actually needs something more than a .30-06, then he ought to move all the way up to the .375 Magnum.

The idea that more is better is just plain not true....especially when the "more" is in the realm of recoil and non distinguishable field performance

If I have a fly in the house, a good old fly swatter is far preferable to calling in a volley of 16" shells from an Iowa class warship. Actually the "bug-a-salt" is the far greater tool for the job.....what fun!!!

My hat is off the the folks at Hornady, they have bought us some very fine cartridges and among them the 17 Mach2, the .17 HMR and the .204 Ruger. That said, this old geezer can find very little reason to own another firearm between the .30-06 and the .375 H&H.


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Personally I LIKE wildcats...the more the merrier...doesn't matter if I or someone else think some are totally valueless as far as some mundane criteria...the fact that in todays world wildcats are proliferating like rabbits...AND that we are ABLE TO and have MANY "new" cases to play with and make "DIFFERENT THAN FACTORY" combinations with them.

There are many reasons why factories do what they do...that shouldn't be a deterrent for those who want something "different", to design their own shooter.

If you want a 35 cal Ruger...BUILD IT...it will cost more in the short term than just following along, but who the heck cares what anyone says. There might be another slightly different/bigger/smaller case/caliber already available, but WHY would that bother you if you want a specific case/caliber.

JUST DO IT.

I see absolutely NOTHING wrong with building a "358 Ruger Magnum" and calling it something totally kool(in your mind) or a "338 Ruger Smack'um'down" OR A 9.3mm OR 9mm OR 8mm OR any number of other calibers on the Ruger case.

The Ruger and RUM and Lapua cases are replacing/supplanting the older belted cases and irregardless of all the hoo-haw they are here to stay and should be thought of as an addendum to the belted case NOT complete replacements.

It won't be much longer before the "Old Timers", cartridges AND shooters, will be just things of the past, nostalgia for the "olden times" and hunting sad to say, will be a thing of the past also. The S.F.B. DEMS are doing everything they can, on the record and behind the scenes secretly, to take away your hunting "privileges"...no different than some countries/regimes did in WWI AND WWII...USE YOUR VOTE to stop the BS, get rid of the people who want to destroy our way of life and stop the people who would rather lie, cheat and steal rather than help solve the countries problems.


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I like the idea, but I think I have a weakness for the 9.3x375 Ruger case..but in that case the 9.3x64 would be as good so maybe were using the wrong case to wildcat here..How about the 9.3x64/358..oh well. and away we go...


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I would buy one in the M77 African as soon as it was available!
 
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35 calibers are cool. I have a 358 Win BLR, 35 Whelen 7400 autoloader and a 350 Remington Magnum mauser. But wouldn't buy the 358 Ruger Magnum because my 350 Remington Magnum is a Remington 798 long action so 250+ gr bullets can be seated less deep for more case capacity. Has a 24" 1:12 twist barrel. 250gr at 2700 fps and 310gr at 2400 fps at near maximum pressures.

For comparison, 358 Norma Magnum ballistics is a 250gr at 2756 fps mv -

https://www.norma-ammunition.c...um/NormaOryx-250-gr/

If the increased power of the 358 Ruger Magnum is needed I would just go with my 375 H&H, 416 Ruger or 416 RM.

Improved version of the 350 Rem. Mag. Real efficient round. Uses < 70 grs of powder. Call it the 350 Remington Magnum FI (= 4sixteen improved Cool ).



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ooooh. I like that idea!!

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likely no ... but if they made is 2.8", yes .. is that a RCM? IDK

why no? there's no reason to drive past 358 norma mag levels, and i also like shortest action usable ... beating the 350 remmag/35 whelen and matching the 358 norma would be GREAT ...

either way, buying a $1k factory rifle would be HALF the cost of buying donor action, gunsmithing, chamber and reloading dies reamer, and building it out as a wildcat ...

but i can buy a 35 whelen, factory, and sometimes buy ammo at walmart


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I like the 358" diameter too, so if I had to (re)"invent" new cartridge I would neck down the 375 H&H. An interesting solution would be to neck down 9.3x64. Both would be classy cartridges for sure and very versatile.
 
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CZ, HH beat you to that, by about 80 years, iirc ..


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Introduced by G&H in 1925 350 G&H magnum. Also called the 350 HH IIRC

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I like the 358" diameter too, so if I had to (re)"invent" new cartridge I would neck down the 375 H&H. An interesting solution would be to neck down 9.3x64. Both would be classy cartridges for sure and very versatile.


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and the lesson I've come to subscribe to is that if one actually needs something more than a .30-06, then he ought to move all the way up to the .375 Magnum.



Lots of truth there and you could relace 30/06 with 270, 7mm Rem or 300 Magnums.

There use to be a well known gunsmith in Sydney Australia, he died over 20 years ago, who always use to say if it was not aa 270 or 375 then you had it for fun or because you just wanted it Smiler
 
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Has anyone acted on this? I still have 350 RM, 4-358 Win's, a Steyr M/S 9X56, and one 376 Steyr. Looking for a Dragoon Steyr Scout in 376. Still the idea of a 358-375 Ruger sounds good in a 1/10" barrel. Be Well, Packy.
 
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FWIW... Somewhere on the internet (so it must be true) I saw that Nosler had either patented or SAAMIed a 358 based on one of their big cases (the 30 or the 33?). Ballistically it will be no different than 358 Norma, so nothing new. The 35 Newton is about 100 years old as I type this. I might buy a new Ruger if there's a 24" or longer barrel, or if the price is real right, but it's hard to beat the 22" 358 Norma I already have. Oh... I've been easily over 2900 fps with 250s in my Norma & have more load development planned with some of the newer wonder powders. There's not much love from any of the newer loading manuals & damned little online.
 
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The 35 newton can be made with 375 Ruger brass so the age is not an impediment.

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FWIW... Somewhere on the internet (so it must be true) I saw that Nosler had either patented or SAAMIed a 358 based on one of their big cases (the 30 or the 33?). Ballistically it will be no different than 358 Norma, so nothing new. The 35 Newton is about 100 years old as I type this. I might buy a new Ruger if there's a 24" or longer barrel, or if the price is real right, but it's hard to beat the 22" 358 Norma I already have. Oh... I've been easily over 2900 fps with 250s in my Norma & have more load development planned with some of the newer wonder powders. There's not much love from any of the newer loading manuals & damned little online.


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The 35 newton can be made with 375 Ruger brass so the age is not an impediment.

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FWIW... Somewhere on the internet (so it must be true) I saw that Nosler had either patented or SAAMIed a 358 based on one of their big cases (the 30 or the 33?). Ballistically it will be no different than 358 Norma, so nothing new. The 35 Newton is about 100 years old as I type this. I might buy a new Ruger if there's a 24" or longer barrel, or if the price is real right, but it's hard to beat the 22" 358 Norma I already have. Oh... I've been easily over 2900 fps with 250s in my Norma & have more load development planned with some of the newer wonder powders. There's not much love from any of the newer loading manuals & damned little online.



I didn't mean to imply there was any impediment, just a continuation of the previous sentence. I was considering building a 35 based on 375 Ruger or 30 Nosler, but seeing as there's very little ballistic difference between the Newton/Ruger/Nosler & the 358 Norma, gave up on the idea. I have enough redundancy in my safe.
 
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What hurts the 35 bore in the higher powered cases is it,s not a legal dg bore and too big for most general hunting outside of Africa and Alaska. The 338 bore has gotten in the way.
 
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