The outfitter in Argentina tells us that new
rules require that a gun can come into Argentina
once but then must have some kind of permit from
an Argentine consulate to return. What does anyone know about this and if a permit or whatever is required, is it good for multiple
trips or just that one.
Thanks Austin

Austin, you do not need any consulate permiss, just complete the gun form that your outfitter sent you and you need to pay an stamp at the ariport when you arrive to Argentina.
Be sure that you outfitter is fully licensed at the RENAR because other way you can not enter the gun to the country.

Thanks Martin

Austin,
Make sure you have the outfitter's Registration number for the RENAR (Argentine Police) forms as well as their contact info (address, phone, etc.).
Also be aware that unlike most other situations, when traveling within Argentina, they want you to have your ammo locked in the same case as the firearm.
Other than that is is not a hassle. Have fun!

I know things change, but about 4 years ago an outfitter told me to go through the consulate. I live ouside Miami so it wasn't a big deal. I lost a morning filling out a LOT of paperwork and had to pay using a money order. I have gone through Argentina quite a bit with firearms and RENAR recognizes me. When I arrived with my firearm they asked me why I went to the Consulate and told me don't do that anymore as it is a waste of time. They said the Consulate never forwards the paperwork or put it into the system.

The last time I took a firearm with me was in 2012. For the most part, RENAR has always been very professional and helpful. I had a government official measure the barrel on my Merkel K3 and threaten to seize claiming the barrel was too short. The barrel is 24" or around 60cm. I calmly explained it is not a shotgun and it is a standard barrel length. He threatend to confiscate the rifle and arrest me if I refused to cooporate. One of the RENAR guys tried to explain that the rifle is OK but the guy didn't want to hear it. I called my office in BS AS and told them to get an attorney to the airport and contact the US Embassy immediately. The guy told me to make sure I am following the rules in the future and he left. The RENAR guys told me he was trying to shake me down for money. This happened when I was departing and it was the one time I had done all of my paperwork through the Consulate!

I have been back several times since that incident with no problems.

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Originally posted by SFRanger7GP: I had a government official measure the barrel on my Merkel K3 and threaten to seize claiming the barrel was too short. The barrel is 24" or around 60cm. I calmly explained it is not a shotgun and it is a standard barrel length. He threatend to confiscate the rifle and arrest me if I refused to cooporate. One of the RENAR guys tried to explain that the rifle is OK but the guy didn't want to hear it.

Some of those guys at RENAR are more firearms savvy that others. When I presented my rifle for inspection at BA this past April, the more senior official spent about ten minutes trying to find the magazine for my Ruger #1 30'06 to verify its capacity. He just knew that if the damn thing had a lever, there must be a way to more more than one round in the gun! A younger (uniformed) officer finally educated the guy about modern single shot rifles and I was on my way. You just gotta wonder sometimes how an officer gets assigned to certain details.

I have been to Argentina about 5 times with this
same operator so I am not new to the game. This time we arrived in Cordoba and our luggage and guns did not. We hunt about 4 hours north of there so I signed paper work to let the outfitter bring the guns the next day which he did. This was just the last of June 2014. When he arrived with the guns he told us this new
requirement was in effect. The gun can come once but then must have some sort of permit from the consulate. These people have always been straight and honest with us which makes me wonder if there is something new. It is getting to be a bigger pain than it used to be. When we left Cordoba renar cleared our guns but the airline would not check us through to Atlanta.
We had to go through BA and drag our guns around for about a half mile there for the police to look at them again and then find a
special place to have them loaded on board.
Everyone was nice but quite a hassle, these
things make me wonder if there is new regulations that we haven't heard about. I don't know how to inquire at the consulate
and a trip DC is not very pleasant.
Austin

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Originally posted by Cowpuncher:
I have been to Argentina about 5 times with this
same operator so I am not new to the game. This time we arrived in Cordoba and our luggage and guns did not. We hunt about 4 hours north of there so I signed paper work to let the outfitter bring the guns the next day which he did. This was just the last of June 2014. When he arrived with the guns he told us this new
requirement was in effect. The gun can come once but then must have some sort of permit from the consulate. These people have always been straight and honest with us which makes me wonder if there is something new. It is getting to be a bigger pain than it used to be. When we left Cordoba renar cleared our guns but the airline would not check us through to Atlanta.
We had to go through BA and drag our guns around for about a half mile there for the police to look at them again and then find a
special place to have them loaded on board.
Everyone was nice but quite a hassle, these
things make me wonder if there is new regulations that we haven't heard about. I don't know how to inquire at the consulate
and a trip DC is not very pleasant.
Austin

In Argentina, it seems that the police will check firearms at every airport. So the check in Cordoba was to allow you to fly to BA. You then will need to have the police check your firearms for your flight leaving the country.

Do yourself a favor, leave your guns at home and use ones your outfitter can provide. I have done that for the past 9 years and enjoyed not having the hassles.

There isnt new regulations you can bring guns to any registered shooting club or hunting ranch BUT AIRLINES ARE ANTIGUN ,AIRPORTS ARE FULL OF PEOPLE AND 20000HUNTERS CAME A YEAR TO CORDOBA so sometimes you have to wait hours to check each gun in every airport .Chile new goverment is anti gun so be carefull if you stop in Chile .

If you ask at the Argentinian consulate in Los Angeles they will tell you that you must get consulate permission. I did not do that and had no trouble other than the checking in and out at every airport.

One of my traveling companions had an encore handgun. After looking down the barrel the officer closed the action, held it away from him and pulled the trigger while cringing and wincing. It was funny to watch.

I want my own guns for every hunt. If I couldn't take them I wouldn't go on that particular hunt. I know it isn't important to some people, but it is to me.

About a month ago, when two americans were checking out their guns at RENAR (EZE) they were warned that for the next time they get back, the MUST have the permit as issued by the consulate...or the guns will be held until they leave the country. The guys were very polite, but they also said that this requirement was now in full effect.

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Originally posted by Gustavo:
About a month ago, when two americans were checking out their guns at RENAR (EZE) they were warned that for the next time they get back, the MUST have the permit as issued by the consulate...or the guns will be held until they leave the country. The guys were very polite, but they also said that this requirement was now in full effect.

The firearm import laws have always stated that a permit from the consulate is required, but this was never enforced, until now.

http://www.renar.gov.ar/index_...?seccion=circuito_en



Individuals who wish to go into the country with one or more firearms and their ammunition, with the proposal to perform hunting activity, sporting shooting or other legitimate purpose, will have to submit application at the origin country argentine consulate, holding the equivalent legal possess authorization extended by the local authority, identification document or passport, requiring the applicable "temporary authorization and temporary possess permit" of corresponding material, during their stay in Argentina.

If the tourist arrived at Argentina without the "temporary authorization and temporary possess permit", drawn up by the argentine consulate, the Police authority that takes part will give the applicable temporary authorization and temporary possess permit during the stay in the country, ad-referendum of the National Registry of Firearms.

I am currently living in South America and have done so for 10 1/2 years! Argentina is a complete shit hole and will remain as such, as long as the socialist government is in charge! keep in mind that these wankers want people to register BB guns! It is a complete mess and I would avoid that country at all costs. What do you want to hunt? Let me know and I will try and steer you to a better place, that will not stick it in your ass!

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Originally posted by Cowpuncher:
The outfitter in Argentina tells us that new
rules require that a gun can come into Argentina
once but then must have some kind of permit from
an Argentine consulate to return. What does anyone know about this and if a permit or whatever is required, is it good for multiple
trips or just that one.
Thanks Austin

We are going the end of next month. I have probably been 15 times. There has been a similar requirement in past years. However, it has never been enforced.

Apparently something has changed. I am not sure what. The outfitters I have spoken with are not sure if it will be enforced or not come 1/1/15.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
We are going the end of next month. I have probably been 15 times. There has been a similar requirement in past years. However, it has never been enforced.

Apparently something has changed. I am not sure what. The outfitters I have spoken with are not sure if it will be enforced or not come 1/1/15.

Larry, seven of us are going on the first of February; my son and I and others, plan on bringing our own shotguns. Just checked with the booking agent, DAvid Denies, and they were not clear on gun permits.

Jim:

We are looking into it further. I will let you know what we find.

I HATE shooting the guns of someone else .

We did the consular pre approved import export permit and it was much easier than having o do it at Eziza airport. We haven't flown into Cordoba directly so don't know what the go is there, but Eziza is painful and the police seem to make the rules up every time we we were there!!! The consular approval fixed all that.
Having said that, we now shoot mostly in URuguay , and avoid Argentina altogether!

Cheers

Nick

Well it seems the outfitter we are going with insists we go through the counsul IN PERSON. That would entail a separate trip from MSP to Chicago. Fill out three forms, furnish 3 passport photos, a copy of the first page of your passport and a $40 fee. I am not sure this is all the Argentines or the outfitter wanting us to rent his guns at extra cost.

I am told that the government is enforcing this now. One must get the permits from a consular.

I am also told the consular in Atlanta will handle it via FEDEX for some unknown reason. We are looking into whether we can Fedex the documents to them.

For me to go to Miami, it is +/- 500 miles round trip.

We have looked into this matter extensively. Every indication is that the rule for the permits from the Consular is being enforced effective 1/1.

I have a list of all consular and the states they service. If anyone wants it, PM me with your e mail address and I will send it.

It appears that I have to go to Miami, in person to get the permits. That is 500 miles round trip.

There are apparently plans to make this easier in the future but it is a f@#king pain in the ass right now.

Excerpt from the correspondence I received:
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I am at the lodge this week. One of the clients here confirmed that he was asked for the consulate letter at the airport. So I can safely say the consulate letter will be a requirement for all travelers starting now. The Renar person did tell him they were trying to build an online platform to help expedite the process (like the Reciprocity Fee). But that it was still far away in the plans.

You need to apply at a consulate near you. This client got his in Montreal and did not have to bring his gun. Each consulate is different and the rules seem to be changing every day. Attached is a document with where each hunter needs to apply for the consulate letter.

The whole situation is no bueno, but over our power. We are trying to knock it down anyways through the dove hunting lodges chamber. No luck so far, but we keep trying.

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billinthewild: Do yourself a favor, leave your guns at home and use ones your outfitter provides

And don't bring anything nice, like a sidelock double.

The problem is the uncertainty! I have talked to Atlanta and Chicago consulates, Both are in agreement that the permit is a requirement but from there they differ. Chicago says you must apply in person, Atlanta says you can mail it in. Both will not service any area they do not support. They both say you could probably show up in Cordoba with guns in hand and visit the Renar office to get your permits there with a $50 bill. Will be at DSC this next week, maybe talk to a few outfitters there. WOuld sure like a guarantee!

Too much uncertainty, I think I will shoot their guns but won't like it; too late to cancel now anyway; would not want to disappoint my son. Like Fla3006 said, don't take anything of any value.

Is the consulate letter trip and date specific, or is it good for a longer period of time, like the reciprocity document? In other words, will it allow you to bring back the same gun(s) on subsequent trips, using the original letter?

My understanding is no. However, I am told they are working on it.

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Originally posted by Jim Kobe:
The problem is the uncertainty! I have talked to Atlanta and Chicago consulates, Both are in agreement that the permit is a requirement but from there they differ. Chicago says you must apply in person, Atlanta says you can mail it in. Both will not service any area they do not support. They both say you could probably show up in Cordoba with guns in hand and visit the Renar office to get your permits there with a $50 bill. Will be at DSC this next week, maybe talk to a few outfitters there. WOuld sure like a guarantee!

Too much uncertainty, I think I will shoot their guns but won't like it; too late to cancel now anyway; would not want to disappoint my son. Like Fla3006 said, don't take anything of any value.

I am told each consular is different. Also, the rules are changing constantly. Expect frustration.

I am going to the Consular next week. Perhaps I will learn something useful while there.

If bird hunting, just rent guns. Big game hunting, the outfitters I've hunted with have had excellent options. Open your wallet to bring trophies back.

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Originally posted by DCS Member:
If bird hunting, just rent guns. Big game hunting, the outfitters I've hunted with have had excellent options. Open your wallet to bring trophies back.

That is certainly an option. However, I suspect there are many like me who hate to shoot someone elses guns.

Mmmmm for Big Game.... rent a rifle is an option, here there are available almost the most popular USA calibers from .270, trought 300 W.M to 375 H&H, no more necesary, but if You shoot birds as real pro, You will miss Your shotgun, all we now about the shotgun "stock fit" importance...try hard with Your outfitter regarding guns introduction...Good luck !!!. Guille

I'm left-handed. How likely is it some outfitter in Argentina has a LH rifle for me to use? Not very, I'd guess.

I canceled a hunt in Uruguay because of gun issues (they would not issue a permit for my .470 (nothing larger than .264 permitted).

George

I have an appointment at 3 PM Tuesday. I will report back.

Thus far I can say it is a monumental pain in the ass. The documentation they want is insane. Some of the low-lights of what they want are as follows:

1- Gun description including serial number and barrel length.

2- Invoice for the original gun purchases reflecting serial numbers.

3- Multiple photos (I think 3) with a white background.


And on and on and on...............

I told one of my friends in Argentina that I recon I have spent between $500,000 and $600,000 going hunting to Argentina in the last 10 years. One would think that they would make it easier not harder. His response was that I didn't live in a 3rd world country.

Larry,

A Customs Form 4457 may be satisfactory for #2.

George

George:

If I remember correctly, they want that as well.

I am told the reason I need to drive 500 miles round trip is so they can finger print me.

Damn, Larry! That is a pile of crap.

Time to take your hunting dollars elsewhere.

George

George:

I hear you.

Since 2004, I have taken 3-4 people for 6 days of duck hunting and 3-4 days of dove hunting . Plus we have made a couple of dove shooting trips in addition to these annual trips in July

I am getting the same attitude I have about TZ. Enough is enough.

Part of the experience of wingshooting in South America is doing so with a fine gun, one's own fine gun, as in the old days. Such is, for many, the primary reason to make the trip.

As in all things in life, it's about money.
This is not a security issue, it's a money issue.

Where are the Argentine outfitters on this forum?

TWL:

I am with you on this. I HATE shooting someone eases guns.

Been discussing this with 3 different Argentine outfitters.

FWIW, they say they are opposed to the consulate letter for two reasons. The first is the obvious: this is an initiative by an anti-gun government to make business harder on hunting operations and to generate additional revenue. Secondly, they say most outfitters would rather not get into the position of renting guns as a matter of course. They say that a $1000 Beretta or Benelli autoloader costs them over $3000 in Argentina and that Beretta and other quality brand O/Us are even more. They further say that clients don't take care of rental guns, so a typical gun doesn't last very long. They would just as soon have clients bring their own guns.

And...also FWIW, a quick call to the Argentine consulate in LA, which serves Arizona where I live, reveals that they "may" require the process to be completed in person.

I'm not drving to LA from Arizona to get a letter so I can take my gun to Argentina. I'll go to Uruguay.

I'll miss Dallas, but will be in Vegas. Perhaps someone who will be in Dallas this weekend can get additional info from the Argentine outfitters and share it with us.