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was sitting here waching survire man and this Idea cam to thought... wanted to see what you guys would pick .. or what ideas you had .. might just buld one and put a kit together just for fun | ||
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Am not sure, but believe I'd do one of two things, both of which are probably cheating in terms of the way you want the question answered. 1) The simplest thing would be one of the old Savages in O/U .22 LR/.410, with the barrel(s) cut off to 16". Though they aren't worth much for real power, in addition to birdshot, I'd also pack a few cartridges with some form of buckshot or slugs, as well as a brick of LR ammo. (If you don't like that combo, get a .22 Mag/20 gauge.) If I was gonna prepare a box full of stuff such as you suggest, I'd likely go with 2) a T/C of some sort. I'd prefer a TCR '83 or '85 with some variety of .22 barrel and a bigger bore centerfire barrel, both again chopped to 16" length. One other alternative would be 3) a .22LR S&W kit gun, and any brand of break-action .30-30 as a rifle. If I HAD to pick one cartridge only, in a rifle only, I'd have one custom built in the new .32 Magnum on a .310" bore and put several full boxes of 50 rounds each of varying power loads of my own in there for varying uses...from small game up. (I've poached enough meat for survival when I was young and pretty much all country folk had big families, to know how to make that work even on black bears.) My country gal's just a moonshiner's daughter, but I love her still. | |||
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Savage M24 O/U in 30-30 over 12 gauge 3 1/2" Mag with choke tubes. Wait a minute, I have one! Except I had it rechambered to 30-40 Krag. They can be had in a water tight shell case, with room for the accessories you contemplate, IIRC. I also have a TCR-83 with a couple rifle barrels, and a 12 gauge 3 1/2" barrel as well. Buyer budget dictates one over the other if I were selling one. Rich | |||
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Based on your parameters, I'd get an H&R Handi Rifle chambered in .357 Mag., rechamber it to .357 Max., shorten the barrel to 16.5" and call it good. If you think you might need shotshells, capsules for 38s are available. If you want to add a real shotgun to the package a 20 gauge barrel is available for the H&R. Based on my parameters, I'd get an H&R sportster in 22 Mag and call it good. | |||
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I've got a 24-C in .22LR and 20ga. 3" chambering. I love that gun! Compact, light, accurate! Breaks down into a small carrying case. Sorry, but I think the .22LR over .410 "survival rifles" sort of a sad joke!  | |||
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I'm quite confident that I could use a 22/410 quite effectively in a survival situation. | |||
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But you live in Virginia. | |||
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For a "survival rifle", I think the caliber that gives you the most bang for your box is the 22 magnum. a 22 mag is head and shoulders above a 22 LR yet it still kills squirrels and rabbits OK. You can carry 4 or 5 time the ammo as a 30-30 in the same space and it will work just as well except if you are charged by a bear IMHO. PLus I think it has the edge in range over a 44 or 357. It's not perfect I know, but for a "survival situation" I think it is probably the best choice. for every hour in front of the computer you should have 3 hours outside | |||
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I love the NEF Handis! First.... I would get one in a caliber like .308 Win., then I would get one of the youth length .22 Hornet Bbls. and a short 12 ga. 3" chambered bbl. with Win choke tubes (that's what the NEFs use). I'd have the .22 Hornet chambered for .22 K-Hornet and carry it in the breakdown case with the 12 gauge barrel. | |||
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Not even close. http://www.jeffersonstate.com/ | |||
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Craigster, do we tell him where the State of Jefferson is? Nah! Beautiful Country, though... Rich | |||
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Nah, he might want to relocate. | |||
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How about a Springfield M-6 .22hornet/410? .22LR may be a better choice. Having owned a Savage-24 in .22Mag/20ga mag is a heck of a set up. Yackman | |||
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That'll work! | |||
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Nothing wrong with a simple short (18") barrel break action .12 gauge and a selection of READILY available ammuntion. #4's or 6's for grouse,ducks,rabbits etc. then some buck or slugs for an honest to goodness big game killer or bear repellant. Cheap, simple, ammo everywhere! "The difference between adventure and disaster is preparation." "The problem with quoting info from the internet is that you can never be sure it is accurate" Abraham Lincoln | |||
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Many people have the notion that to survive in a remote area they will be catching trout and shooting deer. But the truth is, survival subsistence is a matter of foraging. You eat whatever you can get whenever you can get it. If you don't have a weapon and you don't know how to trap and snare little critters then you must depend on the lower forms of life like tadpoles, insects, slugs, worms, grubs, etc. Having a firearm gives you an edge and allows you to reap a bountiful harvest of the most common animals you will encounter - mice, rats, lizards, squirrels, snakes, tweety birds, porcupines, and the like. Often, deer and other large mammals are either not present or rarely encountered. Therefore, the best single firearm to have in such a situation will be one that will take the small and very small game at close to moderate ranges, allow you to shoot the quarry when it is running or climbing, and still has the capability to down a big animal if you are lucky enough to have one come your way. Only a shotgun can meet those requirements. Shot cartridges fired out of rifle and pistol barrels, even .410 from rifled barrels, produce wide uneven patterns that are of limited usefulness even at very close range. But a true shotgun, even a .410, is quick and effective and will easily take crawling, runing, climbing, and flying small game. A shotgun fires a variety of shot sizes, including buckshot and slugs. A shotgun is just the thing for foraging. If I had to choose a single shot gun for a survival situation it would be a lightened break-down 12ga with cylinder bore. The effectiveness of a 12ga for game of any size is well established. I would choose a variety of shotgun cartridges that included birdshot, No. 4 buckshot (.24 caliber, 27 pellets), and slugs. I would also add some 12ga flare cartridges and some 12ga whistling cartridges. If I had to reduce weight, my reluctant next choice would be for a .410. A 28ga would be a better choice than the .410 but 28ga buckshot and slugs are almost impossible to find. Regarding a 20ga, if I can carry a gun with the size and weight of a 20ga then I might as well just take a 12ga. Going back to the concept of a survival kit, here are a few thing to consider. Make sure you include some wire for snares. You can wrap it around a knife handle or some other item you already have in the kit. Mousetraps and rat traps are also very handy to have. You don't take the whole trap. Instead, remove all the metal parts from the wooden board, discard the board and keep the parts. Then, in the wild, you can reassemble the trap on any piece of wood - log, branch, stump, driftwood, etc. A metal can or cup can be a lifesaver. You can boil water in it, use it to make soup out of little animals, polish the bottom to make a mirror for signaling, collect dripping water or scoop up water from puddles and depressions with it. And a metal can won't take up any space at all if you use it as a container for your survival items. . | |||
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Savage M24 in 30-30 over 12 gauge 3 1/2 inch mag with choke tubes. Rich | |||
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Rich - For 100 years the simple rifle/shotgun combo has been considered by many as the best type of survival gun but the poster was asking about single shots. It's hard to find a better a tpe of gun for that purpose. The Savage guns were issued to pilots in the Pacif during WWII. Other combo guns were the Marbles Game Getter (originally 22LR/.44 Shotshell or .22LR/.410) or the Air Force M6 (originally .22 Hornet/.410). The M6 folds in half and ammunition for both the rifle and shotgun is stored in the stock. There is a nice article on these type of guns here: http://www.milesfortis.com/church/akc13.htm    . | |||
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Rifle would be a high quality TD Cartridge = .218 Bee Bullet = 45gr Barnes TSX Main quarry = Beaver Beaver are easy to find and have FAT which most small game animals (squirrel, grouse, hare) don't have in this area.. | |||
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Sorry, but I would not want a single shot anything for a survival gun... I really ain't much on the 22 LR either.... If I HAD to have a single shot it would be a 20 or a 12 gauge shotgun. Cheep single shots scare me, my nephew and I had one break on him when he was shooting at a turkey... I do have a Beretta 12 ga single shot folding shotgun, that I would trust, as it is high quality. And it is light weight as well. I have killed ducks, turkey, squirrel, rabbits, dove, quail, grouse,and a wild pig [using a slug] with it. However if I had to pick one gun for my survival "kit", it would be my Blaser BBF in 308/20ga. With a small scope of course. With it I could take ANY game, use it for defense against man or beast, barring a Night of the Living Dead sceneraio... It is a Quality gun, a little "spendy", but My life is worth it...  Heck even the Germans gave their bomber crews a Drilling for Survival... If you want the best all round Wilderness Survivial gun for the least expense, then get an 18 or 20" Remington 870... If space is at a premium then get a side folding stock. I shoot a LOT of small game for the pot as I love to eat it... I use a SHOTGUN.  DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Had one for years and my idea of the perfect survival gun. Put a slug in it, and there are no bounds. Grizz Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal. John E Pfeiffer, The Emergence of Man Those who can't skin, can hold a leg. Abraham Lincoln Only one war at a time. Abe Again. | |||
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Here is a pic of my single shot pack rifle that I took on every hike this summer = 14" Match Grade Machine s/s bull barrel chambered in 45 Colt. I have a Leupold compact scope on it mounted with Leupold QRW rings on a 4 hole Match Grade Machine scope base when I do not want the scope on I pop it off and mount an XS Sights low Weaver backup ghost ring sight. I load from 200gr FTX @ 1650fps to 345gr Beartooth WLNGC's @ 1150fps. Was at the range today with it trying a few of my 200gr FTX loads averages 2" @ 100 yards with the scope.  | |||
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What Tony said... | |||
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Remember the US Military was worried about space in the ejection seat pack and weight and space in helicopter survival kits. | |||
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These are all good choices. But add one more thing to your kit. A small 4 to 6 foot cast net. They work great for fish or birds, although the bird ambush is a little iffy most times. Oh, and if you have space a book on edible plants in the region. You would be suprized what most Outdoorsmen dont know. Cheers, John Give me COFFEE and nobody gets hurt | |||
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MOKI that is a very nice set-up but is problematic in the USA as it would require a class III federal permit to own, because of the short barrel and rifle stock! This is considered a “SAWED-OFF”, and requires a $250 Federal permit to own in the USA. However if you also own Contender barrels that are shorter than 16 inches in length, and also barrels that are over 16 inches you may own both rifle stock, and pistol stocks as long as you don’t use the rifle stock with short barrel, and if you have a gun travel case with only under 16 inch barrels and contender action in it you are not allowed to have the rifle stock in the case without the Class III permit! I have a Contender with both pistol barrels, and rifle barrels! If I’m hunting with the rifle stocked Contender it must have a 16 Inch or longer barrel on the action or in the case with a rifle stock. In that case I cannot have a short barrel in that case as well. I suppose in Canada your restriction is owning and hunting with a handgun! Both laws are dumb, if a person is a law abiding citizen IMO he should be allowed to own any type firearm he wants, but alas that is not the way of governments! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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http://www.mcace.com/shotguninserts.htm How about a 12 gauge with 22 LR, 22, hornet, 30-30 and 45-70 barrel inserts. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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OK for those of you in the States I would swap out the 14" 45 Colt barrel with either my 21" tapered barrel in 375JDJ and load up with 250gr Partitions @ 2300fps or my 22" bull barrel in 45-70 loaded with 430gr WLNGC's @ 1600fps...  | |||
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Can a 45LC single shot also shoot 410ga. a la the Judge revolver. | |||
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Not unless it is chambered to also take a 410 I cannot fit a 410 shotshell into this 45 Colt barrel it stops when it hits the front of the chamber. | |||
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It depends on what you are trying to survive. Most of us Alaskan bush pilots prefer our Iridium sat phones and a 223 AR-15 or Ruger mini-14. for a takedown single shot it would be hard to beat a 223 with an adaptor to also fire 22lr. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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I thought the Iridium phones stopped working and were replaced with something else. Cheers, John Give me COFFEE and nobody gets hurt | |||
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Mine are still working fine and the irridium phones are still the most reliable sat phones that I have found Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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My go-to gun is a Savage O/U. Once a 30-30 12 gauge combo, I had the rifle barrel rechambered in 30-40 Krag. The 12 Ga is 3.5" and has choke tubes. Very handy for riding around on horseback or a tractor/baler. | |||
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Or a Savage 24V in 223/20 gauge; I had mine rebored for 6x45mm so it would be a Wyoming-legal antelope/bird gun. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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another option, which I also happen to own; the TCR-83. I have a 7RM barrel and a 12 gauge 3 1/2" mag barrel with choke tubes. Twenty rounds for each barrel will keep you fed for a year in wilderness areas. | |||
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