I think it would be nice to have a lighter action, anyone 'lightening' them up, if that is possible?

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Originally posted by 6.5BR:
I think it would be nice to have a lighter action, anyone 'lightening' them up, if that is possible?

Ruger will never build a Titanium No 1, EVER! So forget it! Grow stronger. Work out something besides your typing fingers, I always wonder about the strength of people that complain about the weight of rifles,,,, any rifle, not just the No 1.

That's funny Mick when you know nothing about someone.....I do work out, with weights, run, swim, do Karate. What do you do?

BTW, let's quantify what I would like, NOT a 5lb flyweight....but a weight reduction in the action, leaving metal in the bbl for stiffness in std. sporter contour, AND giving improved shift of balance. My Low Wall 243 shot like a house afire, but much handier than the Ruger 1Bs and even 1A/RSIs. The actions are beefy....fine for large bore rounds, but unnecessary for smaller rounds. I think there are many hunters Mick who tote an iron sighted 30/30 for handiness, or Model 7's, Kimber Montanas, etc. and I am sure they are not whimps, just wanting to have a rifle they can carry alot, IN HAND and still handle fast when needing. I like heavy std weight/varmint wt. rifles for some applications, but there is a place for handier rifles. Personally a model 7 and kimber is too light for an all around rifle for ME, but I might appreciate a Montana if I tromped all over the Rockies as I have before, and hope again. Certain rifles are better, for certain applications.

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Originally posted by 6.5BR:
That's funny Mick when you know nothing about someone.....I do work out, with weights, run, swim, do Karate. What do you do?

Sit on my butt every night reading wishful thoughts about light guns. I wise I was taller too but that’s not going to happen either.

6.5BR,

We may have started off on the wrong foot here.

I really don’t see Ruger making any new design changes on the No 1 action. I don’t get the feeling that the management at Ruger are interested in single shot rifles let alone doing any R&D in a new light action No 1.

Time will tell.

But like you, I wish they would.

Well, I am sorry you are not taller, and that cannot be changed, but companies do make new products from time to time.

I do think many gun enthusiast are wanting to 'tweak' various things about their equipment and happy that mfg. implement innovative ideas to meet the needs of those consumers. Otherwise we'd be toting the same guns in let's say 30/06, and it would be very boring for me and lots of others, despite getting the job done.

One company ULA capitalized upon such opportunity long ago, those were not my cup of tea, but to the market it does cater to....it made lots of owners happy.

Later newer guns came out with similar concepts at better prices, esp. vs. customs that were machined down ounce by ounce. Consumers benefited getting their needs met, and increasingly affordable prices.

Peronally, a 1A styled/sized gun- same bbl contour, but about 1/2-3/4 pound lighter would be sweet. A Ti rib and rings would go a little ways towards that, perhaps the block and lever could be Ti....it could be done and I don't know why you seemed so negative that Ruger would ever contemplate change. I can tell you at the Ruger booth at the '06 Shot Show....Ruger Management had advised booth workers to LISTEN and TAKE notes as to the PULSE of the visitors. So they are interested in knowing what unmet needs are out there. THAT was inspiring and OPPOSITE of REMINGTON'S attitude I can promise you. The same philosophy I believe carries over into the difference in quality control between those two companies, and their attitude in customer service.

Read you comment on interest by Ruger....well the fact that the RSI in 243 was discontinued, tells me they may be leaning out the herd of models, but at that same time they have introduced a few new calibers i.e. 9.3x74R, 375 Ruger, etc. You'll get no argument that Ruger is fired up about making big changes to their line of single shots, but RISK must be taken in the marketplace for the reward to come. Demand would no doubt have to be at a certain level to justify retooling, but those costs may or may not be as high as one might think given their process, I don't know.

[/QUOTE]Ruger will never build a Titanium No 1, EVER! So forget it! Grow stronger. Work out something besides your typing fingers, I always wonder about the strength of people that complain about the weight of rifles,,,, any rifle, not just the No 1. [/QUOTE]

Wow! That was a DA response. What does working out have to do with a light action. This just proves that you dont have to be intelejunt to read/post at AR.

I am also interested in a lightweight single, and wonder why both blaser and merkel are an easy 2 pounds lighter than the ruger. Are the Europeans that much better at building rifles? Has anyone seriously looked into making a ruger light?

6.5BR,

The fact is, very few people want a single shot rifle. Local Sportsman’s Warehouses don’t even stock No. 1’s anymore. They have a 204 Ruger B or K but that’s it. They’ll order them but they don’t stock them locally. Except for you and me (and people on this forum) no one wants them.

Mick, I am sure 95% of us on the board and others are in the 5-10% of the 'hardcore' gun enthusiast so we don't appeal to the mass market. I recognize that fact, and have...

BTW, I am sure your reference to 'single shot' did not inc. demand for BAT, STOLLE, and many other high dollar custom single shooters that BR shooters use....and TC Encore users, etc. etc.

At the same time, last I checked Browning sold all their Low Wall and High Walls in 243/260, 223, 22 Hornets, 454 casull, etc. etc. as their were many calibers, yes a ltd. market, all of them, but they sold. At the same time, as above poster mentions, Blaser, Merkel, and Krieghoff, PLUS Martini Hagn have a demand SOMEWHERE to offer lighter weight rifles/actions. Martini Hagn has a 2/3 sized action. I just rather pay RUGER prices vs. over 2k for an action.

Heck, I don't even have a Local Sportsman Warehouse in my area.....but yes, the single shot fan club is a small group. I am glad we have some choices, but sorry you got upset if I wanted something different.

Thanks for making your point, and perhaps our differences. If I have failed to make mine, sorry but that is the best I can do on this topic.

Have a great evening.

6.5BR,

I have really enjoyed the exchange of ideas, after we got over the bumpy start.

I hear what you’re saying but want percentage of the total Ruger gun market do you think the No 1 is?

There’s always room for fringe products like SS, double barrel, and comb guns. IMO all of them added together are a very small piece of the total pie.

I’m just thankful that Ruger still makes a single shot.

Although I love my current No.1's, I too have often thought it would be great to have a smaller No.1. I would be very interested in one the size of a Dakota Model 10. I would end up with a few in my safe as long as they offered calibers of interest to me. I would be willing to buy both rim fire or center fire calibers.

The problem is one of economies of scale. You need to make more than a few to cover the R&D as well as get the cost of manufacture low enough to make a decent profit. All companies have numerous options but limited capital. So Ruger would also need to sell enough of these to get a return on capital that would exceed the profits if equal capital was invested in other opportunity projects.

I have no doubt that you will find people on this website and other similar ones that would offer to buy one or more down-sized single shot Rugers, but this website is not where the average gun buyer hangs out. How else would you explain how we gun nuts go on and on about our 9.3x62mm or 9.3x74R when the vast majority of avid hunters and gun owners in America have never heard of such things? A few years ago, I inquired at my local Sportsman's Warehouse about ordering a CZ 9.3x62, and out of the six experienced employees at the gun counter, no one including the guns and hunting manager knew anything about a 9.3. Thanks Ruger for the 9.3x74R!!

But yes, I want one. A trimmer action, Alexander Henry forend with a 24 inch barrel in .257 Roberts weighing in at about 6.75 pounds please. As long as I'm dreaming, I'll take one in 7x57 also. Oh, and about that rim fire...

Agreed, which is why I think it would be a great option to those interested, to have a raw action to build from, design ground up what one would want in a rifle i.e. caliber, etc. Thought I heard in the past of someone coming out with a scaled down action. Years back I think ...found it....

http://74.125.45.104/search?q=cache:rbIKhsB5cfQJ:www.cg...n&ct=clnk&cd=9&gl=us

Wonder what happened to the Peregrine action? Production ceased it seems...had thought Cooper or someone had picked it up.

Miller Arms had a NICE 223 at the SHOT show at Dakota booth. Just never hear about them. A buddy in the past had an MOA carbine, sporter taper 22" in 6.5BR that shot ONE hole groups - 100 B Tips at 100 yds, VERY petite light action but it was a pain loading/due to design and safety mechanism. I passed at around $650 then....my bad...sure someone is enjoying it.

Hall benchrest action had a petite 'F' action side lever, Speedy Gonzalez said they had extraction issues? BUT, they seemed nice, fast locktime, nice trigger and trim. Shame they are not available now.

http://www.hallmfg.com/html/falling_block.html

Lastly, the SMALL action by M.H. -

http://martiniandhagngunmakers.com/actions.htm

FWIW,

I have a Martini sporter in 500/450 #2 Musket which weighs in at around 6 1/2 - 7 pounds. A very light and nice hunting rifle, would be a pleasure to carry around. It even is quite accurate too! Not to forget that it actually is a big bore rifle...

Correct, Ti is more $$$$ for raw material and I was not aware of the mfg. processes for it.

As to the Hagn...I'll take the 1/2 lb reduction...but the costs....is very high so...I can imagine a few ounces could be shaved off a Ruger if a custom is built w/o rib. If there were some good synthetic stock options that would reduce weight but I am not aware of any.

Not sure what the Browning Low Wall weighs but those rifles were as light as I'd want. Hate to see them discontinued.

A titanium #1 would be cool but titanium is tough on the tooling.

Grenadier, long ago, Guns and Ammo or the like had a 17 cal on a 44 mag case, in a Martini, short 17" or so bbl, and mannlicher syn. stock, SWEET looking set up, shot well too.

That was the neatest Martini I had seen before/since.

If you like the high wall action this might interest youhttp://www.americangunllc.com/index.html

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Originally posted by 6.5BR:
I think it would be nice to have a lighter action, anyone 'lightening' them up, if that is possible?

A 1A is certainly light enough, and the last time I went for elk in CO, I carried my 1B, which is no lightweight, by any means!

BUT, I WOULD like a 2/3 size No. 1 action, chambered for something like a .32/40 or .38/55, on the order of the Dakota "baby" Sharps. I like those rifles, but prefer a hammerless action design. This has nothing to do with weight, just handiness.

El D...

That's what I MEANT to say, I'd like one handier! Seriously, took my K1A out last night and it was fine, actually might have been happier with my old 1V taper 6BR custom, small buck appeared at around 300-350yd and I could not get the proper rest needed to want to take the shot, so I passed, of course I really would like that same buck or larger to be taken this weekend when I can get my 11 yr old out...a shot half the distance or less would be viable for him, so I'll try from a stand that might get him that.....

Yes, I am thinking of a smaller scale for a walk around gun paper/varmints thru deer, another 6BR perhaps, 6.5BR, or x47 Lapua....but to be used where 200-250 would be my max shot, not limited by cartridge, but that a small light rifle will be fine to steady well enough to shoot to that distance. I had a TC contender 21" factory 223, syn. stock, dang gun was light, but heck, 3 shots half inch and great trigger, I regularly shot sparrows at 100 yds! I just LIKE falling block actions for whatever reason more, TC does have nice trigger-Old models-adjustable, and faster lock time...but....you know, they just are not the same.

I'll keep my K1A w/o a complaint. Certainly lighter than my 8lb (pre-scoped) 338/06 long ago that I toted around Co. Rockies, but I'd rather lose a lb if I retraced my steps.

It would really be nice if companies would take risks and get off the boring beaten path and mfg. interesting products, even if they are 'niche' by market size...but market forces at work do challenge viability of these things coming to pass....at least we can give the mfg. our 'wish list' and hope that some come to pass.

Hey Michael, seen that site once before, but not prices, looks like an option there for me...heck a 223 'MINI' could be bored out to a 6 or 6.5 TCU and that would make a mild effective caliber w/in my limits. Maybe even a BR case would do fine, if strength is similar to Browning's 1885. It does seem that I am going 'against the grain' using a modern caliber in an 19th century era action.....but so be it.

Thanks again.

An ultra light #1 with a medium size caliber like the 6.5x57 R or the .257 Roberts could be a neat substitute for the Blaser K95 for mountain hunting and long walks.

Ruger's sister company http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Casting/index.html investment casts Ti all the time. The mold for Ti maybe different than steel and there is were all the costs are.

A friend of mine has a Cascade Arms Mannlicher style carbine in .250 Savage. 18" barrel. The action is only big enough to hold the Winchester 100-grain factory load. This is by far one of the nicest small, handy rifles I have yet seen. Yes, it is a bolt action. But I would like to see a single-shot made with the same concept in mind, and made for that same little cartridge.

El Deguello, Did your friend get that rifle from the Outdoorsman? If so I heard about it from the owner and it sounded like a winner.

There is a place for a light handy rifle. My #1 A1 7x57 weight in at 8lbs with a 3-9 scope and the Ruger mounts. With some innovation and a bit of work this rifle can be cut down to perhaps 7-1/4 lbs?

I am getting a #1 243 rebored to 6.5-284 with the barrel reshaped octagon and the stock hollowed out and the forearm lightened. The rifle will get single scope blocks and the Burris Signature rings. The scope monnting alone will will reduce the weight 1/2lbs with a light Sightron scope.

Two of the most pleasing and handy two rifles I own are two H&R Handi's both are totally reworked, rebored and
the barrels milled octagon. The 257 Roberts weighs in at 7.5 lbs with scope and 24" barrel. The 6x47 weighs a bit more because of the heavier scope and a little fatter barrel. Both shoot 3 shots under a 1/2 inch at 100.
Both have perfect balance and come perfectly to your shoulder.

The 257 Roberts has taken quite a few deer. The 6x47 is my long range gopher and coyote gun. So hunting rifles don't need to be heavy.

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Originally posted by J_Zola:
El Deguello, Did your friend get that rifle from the Outdoorsman? If so I heard about it from the owner and it sounded like a winner.

Yes, he did! I've seen it once. The owner doesn't take it out of the house much. I don't blame him one bit!

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Originally posted by El Deguello:

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Originally posted by J_Zola:
El Deguello, Did your friend get that rifle from the Outdoorsman? If so I heard about it from the owner and it sounded like a winner.

Yes, he did! I've seen it once. The owner doesn't take it out of the house much. I don't blame him one bit!

To think I almost traded to Mr. Tom T. a Kimber of Oregon Custom Match .22LR



and a few dollars for that beauty...


Now as to the Ruger #1 reduced scale project, I would love to have a slight reduction in weight and size. That in my opinion would be about the best possible rifle for the smaller centerfires.