For what you are asking the price seems reasonable. Do you "need" all that? Nope. But if you want it, then that's a decent though not bottom dollar price.

IF the guy has his ship setup as a business and runs it as a business - and yes I mean what bean counters do, and he has a reasonable shop rate, then it's likely a living wage. That is, IF he can take it and do it in the next week or three, not two years waiting.

Well, I wont debate over having any of that work done since I am not a gunsmith. I will offer this thought though:

Since you are not a reloader, I think you will have a tough time finding factory ammo that will consistently produce the results you are after. Even though there is a wide variety of factory stuff for the 375, I would bet only one or two would shoot consistently at 1" for you, if that. As good as factory ammo is these days, I dont think it will ever match the performance of a handload.

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Originally posted by RyanB:
I'm a hunter. Moving across the country to an apartment and downsizing to one rifle. So it's gonna be a nice one.

I bought a Dodge w/Cummins 20 years ago for similar reasons, never regretted it. It's still in the driveway.

I hunt with my two medium bore guns. One is a Remington 03A3 3006 and the other is a custom made Remington 700 in 358 Winchester. The 3006 shoots consistant .625" - .75" groups at 100 yards. The 358 shoots consistant groups of .33" at 100 yards. Dan Cohen, the smith that made the 358, makes guns for 300 - 600 meter target competition. I like to be able to shoot sub MOA groups with my hunting rifles simply because at 200 yards with an unknown wind you need all the advantage you can get. At the range, when I practice, I like to see that my rifle puts the bullet where I aim it within that 1/4 - 1/3 MOA. If it doesn't there is something wrong with it or me and I need to correct it.

Some guide outfits won't let you use a gun that won't shoot 1" groups at 100 yards and they have you shoot to prove your gun. If it fails then they have you shoot one of their guns and if you fail with that then you don't hunt.

Accuracy is everything for some of us and I am still working at getting 1/2" groups with my 3006. I know it can be done and when I find that load I will stick with it.

Some folks think that being able to keep 3 shots in an 8" pie plate is good enough to hunt with - That is not me.

PaulS,
The fellow is building a 375 H&H. I think he will need a shoulder transplant trying the shoot 1/2MOA groups.
1/4-3/8 groups with a 358? Well, I won't touch that statement.

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some guide outfits won't let you use a gun that won't shoot 1" groups at 100 yards and they have you shoot to prove your gun. If it fails then they have you shoot one of their guns and if you fail with that then you don't hunt.

I've NEVER heard of anything like that, and frankly, flat don't believe it. I suspect they would have damn few clients if it were true. However, I'm always willing to be proven wrong. Name one or two of the "some guide outfits".

I don't handload but I had the gear to do so and put it in a buddies house with the understanding that I will mail him brass and pay him for components and he will send ammunition.

Other than money, can anyone think of a disadvantage of a more accurate rifle?

I've not heard of anyone, ever, refusing a client for not shooting an inch. I do know of hunters that have refused clients who were legitimately horrible shots, or who managed to always find them animals that were too far to shoot at or close enough that their clients pattern will get it done.

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:

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some guide outfits won't let you use a gun that won't shoot 1" groups at 100 yards and they have you shoot to prove your gun. If it fails then they have you shoot one of their guns and if you fail with that then you don't hunt.

I've NEVER heard of anything like that, and frankly, flat don't believe it. I suspect they would have damn few clients if it were true. However, I'm always willing to be proven wrong. Name one or two of the "some guide outfits".

Amen Charlie. Every time I hunt this tall tail down, it's a myth. Besides, moa guns of 30 years ago just didn't exist like they do today. And a double rifle isn't very likely to do so ever.

First you have to prove you actually got a more accurate rifle. The only way to do that is to build statistically significant quantities of rifles both ways and then compare the results between the two populations. That is a significant amoung of money. Otherwise you only think you have a more accurate rifle.

Second unless your ammo is tuned to the rifle the ammo may limit your rifle and you will never know its potential.

Third if you are not a handloader you probably will never shoot enough to take advantage of any accuracy improvement. It will just be something in your head that does not really exist in the field.

Fourth- You just waste a lot of time.

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Originally posted by RyanB:
Other than money, can anyone think of a disadvantage of a more accurate rifle?

Like I said, a friend will be handloading for me, I didn't say I didn't handload, just that my .338-06 wouldn't shoot any factory ammunition well. I did choose .375 based on the availability of factory ammunition worldwide.

As to proving it is more accurate, if you ask the match shooters, who have the patience, time, money and proficiency to investigate, you'll find a strong preference for cut rifled barrels and trued or otherwise straight actions. I don't need to reinvent the wheel.

Time? Time I've got.

Yes, I will probably not be able to take advantage in the field. I know that I DO see a difference between a 1.5 and a 4 minute AR15 under field conditions, so I know accuracy matters but does the difference between .75" and 1.5" matter? It might not. But there is no advantage to having a rifle that shoots a larger group, of that we can be certain.