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I have been working with my .458 win mag and I have a specific question. When shooting the rifle if the sights are on the x and the shot breaks well, will there be a noticable difference in point of impact if the stock is held very firmly versus if it is not held firmly? And if so, then how much. I hope this is the right forum. Sand Creek November 29 1864 | ||
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frank I'm not your expert but I shoot enough to have figured this out, if your grip on the rifle or hold on the rifle is different from shot to shot it will affect the point of impact. In my opinion this becomes more apparent with harder kicking rifles. I have a very lightweight 9.3x62 that kicks like a mule with its leg caught in a fence (I know 9.3's don't kick but you should shoot this one!) This rifle will shoot sub 1" groups with full power loads and 286 grain bullets if held tightly and consistantly. If you hold it loosely it is all over the page (3-4" groups). Hope this helps........... Good luck with yours. | |||
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This is the answer I am looking for. IF it is the answer I am looking for.(Makes sense,no?) This gun kicks pretty hard and I am not used to guns that kick like this. My rest today was crap because I brought the wrong car. I think I have a one hole group at 50 yds. But I am not sure because it may be 1 hole with a flyer, but I think that has to do with the inconsistency of my hold. Your post does give me hope.
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yes, it will impact/change opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Yes, there will be a difference! But you will have to determine how much by actually testing the rifle held both ways! "Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen." | |||
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With the 458,you will have no choice but to hold the rifle firmly or else you will injure yourself.In answer to your question,NO.It does not make any difference on the point of impact.The rifle should shoot the bullet to the spot your sights are fixed no matter how tight you hold it.Drops in the point of impact are caused mostly by a fouled bore and never by how you hold the stock or shooting position. | |||
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Grip tension - along with all sorts of other variables that go into how one holds and sights a rifle - certainly will have an effect on point of impact. Give the same, accurate rifle to two different expert shooters and let them shoot groups from the prone position at 100 yards. Group centers - i.e., points of impact - can vary by as much as several inches. That is why, in order to shoot accurately, everything that goes into holding and sighting the rifle must be consistent from shot to shot. That is also why no one (except by pure luck) can properly sight in a rifle for anyone else. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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It's easy for anyone to come on here and tell us that it will not do so.But if they believed what they were saying,they would explain to us why?  | |||
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I guess it hasn't occured to you that the bullet is traveling through the bore DURING recoil? Kinda stands to reason that a light hold will have a different POI than a tight hold. | |||
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There are many things that have not occurred to him....... Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Not correctly positioning the rifle on your shoulder and/or cheek will create POI changes also. True with a shotgun or rifle. Jim | |||
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The hold seems to make a difference. I was shooting once with Bob Sturgis (Founder of Gander Mountain) We shot the same 222 and his groups were tighter than mine....the difference was apparent...he almost did not touch the rifle, while I kinda snuggled against it...sure enough, when I used his technique, my groups tightened I would suppose the difference would amplify in heavy kickers??? | |||
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 opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I found in 1000yd competition the less you hold onto the gun the better the groups are. In the heavy gun class many guys avoid touching the gun at all except to adjust the bags and touch the trigger. An that is mostly how I have shot. If I try that business with this .458 Win mag the rifle is going to end up on the ground after it bounces off my face.Literally.
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