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would a guy beable to have a set of barrels in 460S&W, 454 Casull, 45 Colt made for a Stoger Uplander 410? there is room for all of God's creatures, right on my wall Wyoming Wolves, Smoke A Pack A Day Wolves, Government Sponsored Terrorists If its hungry, send it a Berger | ||
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safely? no .. the 460 and 454 are HIGH PRESSURE rounds. The colt is routinely loaded up to crazy, so probably not opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Don't really about the frame you mention, but shotgun frames usually assume "shotgun" pressures. Here's one I built on a 20 ga LC Smith frame, but stayed in the safe zone with factory 45-70..Firing pins were bushed to center fire rifle specs..And...last year shot three pigs with one shot! No kiddin' have a witness!  | |||
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Duane How much have you shot the LC 45-70? Has it come off face any? I have a 20 just like yours but considered the single forward lump/hook and hinge pin to be a little small. What are your thoughts? Thanks James | |||
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No problems so far..I did spot in the face and did the hingepin stuff. The strength of the LC lies in the distance apart between the hinge C/L is to the lock up...there is very little pressure on the lock up...with underlugs, the lock up to hinge is pretty short! I.E. the further apart, the better. I've fired perhaps 200 rounds all together. | |||
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Duane Thank you for your reply. That is one beautiful set up. I can only assume that it handles superb. Weight and balance of these little LC's are great before your magic. What type of hinge pin (stuff) did you do? Thanks again. James | |||
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Duane, what a beautiful rifle! 3 pigs in one shot? Around here we call that a redneck triple  HA!Thanks for posting that. Terry -------------------------------------------- Well, other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? | |||
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Like that elegant H&H style lever to remove the locks ... if my eyes do not deceive me. | |||
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Duane In other words you installed a new hinge pin to compensate for fitting of multiple barrels. I thought you may have used a special pin or heat treat. Thanks again. Your time and knowledge is greatly appreciated. James | |||
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I did have appropriate parts color case hardened. | |||
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Questions if you have time to fool with them..what grade of L.C. Smith? Did you keep the original forearm? Was there a custom case done for it? What kind of feel would you have for the Win .348 in a piece like that? And, is it for sale? If not and you saw a gun like it for sale, how much do you think it might go for? That's intended as sort of a diplomatic way of asking... Anyhow, it's beautiful and there's just something cool about a custom build..almost like a one of one. | |||
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Well, this is actually a two barrel set...One in 45-70 and the other in 20ga. Started life out as a "Ideal" grade, has ejectors. Just about everything is custom made, I have two fore ends..the one for shogun is a splinter style (There are some photos on my website) 348 would be cool! Were I to take a closer look at that, I'd probably CONSIDER standard frame rather than FW. For sale? Well, once heard a guy say "Everything I have is for sale", but I have praticular plans to sell. I don't know what I would charge to do this again..but it would be plenty spendy...never , kept track of time...was a "5 year plan" Never had a case made for it, I use a Kalispel case made to my dimensiions (They used to do that!) | |||
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Duane, I have a Parker Trojan conversion done in 30-30 (already mentioned on another thread here). The forearm is original and no extra shotgun barrels. It's a sleeved job so parts of the original barrels were used. The stock is new and matches the forearm. An old Parker hard case was re-habilitated and french fitted. Barrels permanently regulated so custom ammo needed. Under $5K and I thought a bargain. The .348 just seems such a good choice...30-06 energy level in a rimmed cartridge. If I ever did such a thing I believe if possible I'd want to build it around factory ammo and not have to get into handloads. | |||
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Sounds nice..For something like a 348, I'd like to see a bit more metal on the receiver balls...dunno...I'd like to hear from others that may have seen any 348 conversions. I think a 21 would work, but who's going to experiment? | |||
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I've been scheming for this little combo ever since I saw it in the white. I'd appreciate it if Duane didn't know there might be other bidders lurking about.  ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
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Don't worry...I ain't about to mess with another man's true love or his gun...so I'll just print out a picture and use it as a pin-up...unless of course the wedding gets called off... Seriously, Galazan is doing doubles based on their re-designed beefed up 21s. That was covered here. Otherwise it would be sacrilege to chop up an original Model 21 for this or any purpose. I wonder how in theory you draw the line on what pressures for older shotguns? | |||
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A 348 Win double rifle built on the Galazan Model 21 frame with a set of 16 gauge barrels would a neat package suitable for just about anything in North America. I can't afford to be thinking about this stuff right now. ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
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Here is a pretty good discussion of the .348 complete with ballistics and bullet choices - http://www.leverguns.com/articles/taylor/model71.htm. Note the size difference shown between the .30-30 and the .348. The brass is much wider at the base. In rating the cartridge they say it's somewhere less than the .350 Rem Mag and about the equal to the rimless .358. I assume the Model 71 built for the .348 was supposed to be the tubular feed counterpart of the more common Model 88 built for the .358. Anyway, I tend to agree on the need for a bit more metal in a shotgun conversion and I think I would want a fairly heavy frame and for that matter a nice thick grip. The skinny pistol grip area is the one real complaint I have about that stock on my custom Parker .30-30. It was built to copy original Parker stocks, and as those who know the Parker are aware of, the stocks tended to be very thin. Unfortunately I didn't see pressures mentioned anywhere. | |||
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Actually Shack you have it the wrong way round, the Model 88 .358 arguably was an effort to make a box magazine counterpart of the 71 in .348 which preceded the 88 by many years - and which is still thought by many to be an incomparably more elegant rifle. | |||
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Yes, I got a little tricky with the sideplates...here's a close up:  | |||
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Wow! That is stunning. Did you do the sideplates on a duplicator mill setup? Roger Kehr Kehr Engraving Company (360)456-0831 | |||
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No...I had a wobble table | |||
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Is that similar to a tracer run duplicator? Roger Kehr Kehr Engraving Company (360)456-0831 | |||
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