For me, I just don't like Brownings. I like the old Belgium made stuff, but for the life of me can't get over the "Made in Japan" stamp. It seems the more my friends go on and on about their A-Bolt or Citori, the less I like them. (the gun, that is )
Posts: 3113 | Location: Southern US | Registered: 21 July 2002
I can't comment on a particular make, brand, or caliber. But there have been various rifles I have disliked. Crappy triggers, magazine feed, general fit or just shooting like shitto!
Posts: 258 | Location: Baltimore, Maryland US of A | Registered: 01 June 2001
Never owned or desired a Remington (yet that is)so I guess that would be the one. I actually like the Japanese made Brownings OK, the only one I own is a BLR but I have several friends with A-bolts that are pretty decent rifles for the money. All were better finished, had better wood and were at least as accurate as any out of the box US made rifle.
Posts: 1242 | Location: Houston, TX, USA | Registered: 04 April 2002
I like my A-bolt II Medallion a lot. I guess I have been more frustrated with my American-made Winchester Classic Safari Express rifle than any other gun. It's been back to the factory twice, and it is still not shootable after more than a year.
One vote for Winchester.
H. C.
Posts: 3691 | Location: West Virginia | Registered: 23 May 2001
I'm going to second the vote for Brownings. For some reason I just can't stand them. Especially the A-bolts, in my opinion they are the ugliest rifles out there. I will admit though that I think their Hi-powers are nice.
Never have liked the "boat paddle" Ruger. I also don't like the "barrel nut" on the Savage.
There's a vast difference between truly special hand-made efforts of both past and present and the assembly line stuff so prevalent these days. I have a hard time getting excited over a rifle that I know x-million other owners have as well...
Just a knee-jerk answer to the question posed.
Reed
Posts: 649 | Location: Iowa | Registered: 29 August 2001
Duckear: I have the most overwhelming gagging reflex when I see a (or hear the name) savage! I am talking the modern version bolt action POS's! Hhhhuuurrrrrlllllll!!! Hhhhuuurrrrrlllllll!!! Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
Posts: 3067 | Location: South West Montana | Registered: 20 August 2002
got to be a savage ! every one that has one say it will shot a half inch group at 100 yards with the the factory ammo you get at walmart on sale just before huntin season. But you never see it at the range ???? ebb
Posts: 5 | Location: fla | Registered: 27 April 2003
It is the firearm pointed in my direction either by design or failure of safety. Having lived through several incidents- in particular listening to two misfires of a 12 gauge double up close and personal, I must say the talking end of any firearm is a horrible thing to see. I would think any particualr maker would occasionally sell a dog but there is great joy in "playing" with every weapon I have ever handled. I do use the word "play" carefully. Please understand that. Frank
Posts: 6935 | Location: hydesville, ca. , USA | Registered: 17 March 2001
quote:Originally posted by OldFart: Smith and Wesson. They didn't have the balls to stand behind us, so there is no way in hell I will stand behind any of their guns.
The S&W that entered into that crappy settlement is gone. S&W was later sold for a bargain basement price of something like $13 million and now has new owners and management with a much better attitude. I reward their new attitude by purchasing their guns again.
I boycotted Ruger when Bill Ruger supported the Brady Bill. Then he died. Now I only boycott Ruger because their workmanship is flawed.
Posts: 18352 | Location: Salt Lake City, Utah USA | Registered: 20 April 2002
quote:Originally posted by OldFart: Smith and Wesson. They didn't have the balls to stand behind us, so there is no way in hell I will stand behind any of their guns.
You know, things DO change.
The Klinton administration, the former British owner of S&W (Tompkins PLC), AND the S&W management team that made the deal with Klinton are ALL gone.
Smith & Wesson is now American-owned, and both S&W and the Bush administration have invalidated the odiuos deal with the devil. While the name of the company is still the same, it is now a totally DIFFERENT entity than the one you refer to.
Not supporting the current Smith & Wesson company is un-American.
Posts: 2206 | Location: USA | Registered: 31 August 2002
quote:Originally posted by duckear: but for the life of me can't get over the "Made in Japan" stamp.
It's japan's active anti gun stance that should alarm all gun owners. japan sponsors many anti gun activities. I don't give a rat's ass if their guns are made well or not.
Not many can remember how japan fought us in WW11 and killed many Americans. My son and I read some letters from my late uncle today on Fathers day. He was a Sargent in the United States Army and he died on Luzon May,1945 by the hands of the japs.
Ever wonder why with this international forum that we have that nobody from japan ever posts here?
I may be wrong, but I don't believe the deal with the devil can be broken. It was written so that it followed who-ever bought the Smith and Wesson. I know that the Bush administration is not enforcing it, but there is nothing to stop the next administration from enforcing it. If there is something that says differently, I would like to see it. However the name Smith and Wesson will always mean betrayal in my mind. I want John Public to realize that we will not put up with betrayal. I want to see the name Smith and Wesson die. It may be "un-American" but I will never even shoot a Smith and Wesson again, even if it was given to me. I would send it to Di Fi, and let her cut it up, which I feel is what they deserve. Naw, I don't hold a grudge.
I don't care for Remington 700, Savage bolt rifles, Weatherbys, and a lot of overly engineered rifles...I'm pretty much a Mauser, Pre 64 win. of all models person. I mostly like the older English rifles, early Sakos and Savage 99's and their ilk. To say that I didn't actually like a rifle would be a mistake, I like them all, but some better than others.
Posts: 42210 | Location: Twin Falls, Idaho | Registered: 04 June 2000
I have to say that I like mostly all rifles, with that in mind though, there are some ugly military surplus out there but it was to serve more of a purpose then to look good. One thing I don't like is rear sights with folding leaves calibrated for various ranges, I like the quarter rib with a shallow vee, if you need to sight beyond 200yds, add a low powered scope in detachable mounts.
I am not overly fond of the Savages my self. I have never seen on that feeds from the magazine real well. Even my brother's 7mm mag Tactical has feeding problems.
quote:Originally posted by duckear: for the life of me can't get over the "Made in Japan" stamp.
Better get used to it. The Japanese make higher quality products, for less money, than just about anyone else.
Actually, I am over it. I just don't buy Japanese firearms. They have a huge anti-gun stance as a country, but then manufacture and import guns to the US. I don't really give a rat's ass about their quality, good or bad. If they guaranteed 1/4" groups out of the box, I would still look elsewhere.
Posts: 3113 | Location: Southern US | Registered: 21 July 2002
I can't stand Glocks!!! They feel just like the toy dart guns that I had as a little kid. They are ugly and just don't feel right in my hand. There is no pride in owning plastic!
Posts: 347 | Location: Ogden, Utah (Home of John M. Browning) | Registered: 08 September 2002
quote:Originally posted by duckear: but for the life of me can't get over the "Made in Japan" stamp.
It's japan's active anti gun stance that should alarm all gun owners. japan sponsors many anti gun activities. I don't give a rat's ass if their guns are made well or not.
Not many can remember how japan fought us in WW11 and killed many Americans. My son and I read some letters from my late uncle today on Fathers day. He was a Sargent in the United States Army and he died on Luzon May,1945 by the hands of the japs.
Ever wonder why with this international forum that we have that nobody from japan ever posts here?
Show me ONE successful Japanese-led anti gun effor in the United States. I don't give a shit what they do or have done in the rest of the world. I want to know what effect have they had in America, other than selling a shitload of rifles and shotguns.
As to WW2, you need to move on. Do you own anything made in Germany, or by a German-owned company?
Posts: 2206 | Location: USA | Registered: 31 August 2002
The ones I hate most, are those reely reely nice custom jobs, by makers like Biesen, Linden, Wiebe et. al,,, when someone else owns them! <BIG GRIN> Actually, I can't say there are ANY I hate, just that there are a few that don't stay here very long.>>>>>>Bug.
Posts: 353 | Location: East Texas | Registered: 22 January 2003
quote:Originally posted by Atkinson: I don't care for Remington 700, Savage bolt rifles, Weatherbys, and a lot of overly engineered rifles...I'm pretty much a Mauser, Pre 64 win. of all models person. I mostly like the older English rifles, early Sakos.
Hmm, I agree with this mostly. But as you know there is one brand missing Yes, the overengineered, over complicated, german junk that are the rifle world equivalent to IKEA Now, helmet on and back in the trech
Browning's A-Bolt (they call 'em "A-Holes" where I come from) because it's just a cheaply-built shadow of the great Browning High-Power series. Browning's recent "The best there is!" slogan is a ridiculous farce.
Glock pistols take the #2 spot hands-down. Yeah they work, but I don't like the angle of the pistol grip, their looks, or much of anything else about them.
I refuse to buy Japanese-made firearms of any kind. I don't have to, and I don't have to get used to 'em either, or like them. I simply won't buy 'em....
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I think some of those Eastern bloc AKs are pretty ugly with their plywood furniture and any SKS. I am in the planning stages for buying a milled receiver AK and will put the "American length" buttstock on it. Now why is it that to just put a few US-made parts into a gun like an AK from Bulgaria or Yugoslavia makes it legal under Part 922r or whatever it is? Such hypocrisy!! My CAR-15 is ALL US-made, yet it's a "bad" gun. Such idiocy makes me want to puke. But that is what we can expect from government, I guess. Thomas, James, George, Nathan, Patrick...we need your intelligent approach to government now.
Posts: 2758 | Location: Fernley, NV-- the center of the shootin', four-wheelin', ATVin' and dirt-bikin' universe | Registered: 28 May 2003
Brownings made after 1980, remington rifles made after 1950, Savage bolts, and Tikkas'S, I absolutly despise the cheap look of Tikka's, yeah they're accurate but so are many other rifles that dont look like toys. Almost forgot to mention the Benelli NOVA, an absolute POS if there ever was one, I still cant get over the plastic reciever.
The sorriest rifle ever made is the Remington 742, 7400, or whatever they want to call it, now. I have a love-hate relationship with this semi-auto rifle. For 22 years, as a gunsmith, I made more money off this firearm, than any other. It is a true piece of shit.
Posts: 21 | Location: Louisiana | Registered: 28 January 2003
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