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You know, if everybody who owned a gun and wanted to shoot it had to go through some kind of government-mandated training, no one would be shooting their guns. The training would be made so intricate and so involved and the testing upon completion of the training would be so difficult that no one would pass and the government would have achieved its goals. Think about it...
I dont need to think about it, because it already exists and has for as long as I can remember, its called "hunters saftey" and I didnt mind doing it 30 some odd years ago. Why should people who only shoot rocks and beer bottles be exempt? They still discharge weapons on public lands just like hunters do..
I do get your angle, the antis will use any means possible to achieve their ill founded goals, but Im talking about simply making the shooting sports safer for everyone. Not doing that can lend leverage to antis just as easily. |
| | | Posts: 10189 | Location: Tooele, Ut | Registered: 27 September 2001 | 
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| I had a Lorcin 380 as well. Mine functioned perfectly. I really don't know why I ever bought it; I think I just wanted a small handgun and the price was right. I should have bought the 9mm variety and I might still be its owner. The ol' 380 went into the trash about a year after I got it, still working just fine. |
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| I don't know why I would want to defend myself to someone who didn't even read my post, but here goes.
I said I like to buy American whenever possible.I said that Japan was hypocrytical in manufacturing "Sporting Arms", never mentioned military hardware.To answer your question, no I don't think that the United States should stop exporting Arms, or anything else. I do think that we should limit the export and import of certain items to countries that are somewhat similar, idealistically. In other words, like I said, why should we import "Sporting Arms" from a country that is 100% against private ownership of all firearms? I like to buy American to support American businesses and American workers, and I feel that any person who is proud of their country, be it the United States or another country, and that wants to help that countries economy, should do likewise. I feel a sense of responsibility to my country, not to every other country.
As far as being "isolationist", I don't think so. But living in the single greatest nation on earth, I do think that we should use our financial influence more than we do now. If countries want to let drugs flow freely from their borders, then we should flex our economic muscle, if they want to support anti-American agendas, then we should support activities that seriously jeapordize them economically. The American people obviously feel this way, look how much of an impact the French anti-American activities had on their economy.
I guess that is enough of this on the Gunsmithing forum, probably should be on the Political forum but I quit going there quite a while ago. Some of the liberal drivel that is posted there makes me sick to my stomach. That kind of thing is not what one should see on a site that is related to firearms.
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| Wstrn:
I agree that hunter safety is always a good idea, but I think it should be taught to younguns by their papas or granpapas, not by Everyone's Uncle. My dad always said he always had time to physically put the round into the magazine and chamber it before he got into his stance to take the shot. He did his hunting alone up in Alaska in the early 1950s when you could go anywhere and shoot anything. It must have been great. |
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| I personally am a big Sako fan. I've never had one that wasn't an exceptional shooter. These comments apply only to the models with wooden stocks. I'm not synthetic so why should I buy synthetic? When I open that gun cabinet I want to see wood looking back at me, not plastic.
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In my eyes, the problems begin when anyone who is of age is considered automatically knowledgable about firearm saftey according to the law, when the facts are quite contrary.
If you're headed to some sort of "safety" licensing like "hunter safety", don't. You'll be doing the antis a better favor than all the SKS-shooting yahoos combined could ever do.
NO licensing of firearms or users. PERIOD. |
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| The one that gets pointed at ME!!!
I have a hunch that some folks are not too fond of AK 47's for just that reason.
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The Japanese Government totally finances the United Nations Conferance on Small Arms. You know the one that wants to prohibit international shipment of all small arms, including hunting rifles? In case you don't understand it means you will not be able to take your rifle to Canada or Africa or any place else hunting.
You still haven't shown me one succesful Jap effort to regulate guns in the United States. I can't help it if people in other countries let their governments fuck them over.
So far the UN has not had any luck banning American small arms, but they're continuing to try. Their lack of success so far should not make us feel complacent. It took our own gun-control/campaign-contribution industry decades to screw us over the extent they have, and they've not slacked their efforts one bit.
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| Bolt actioned, scope sighted magnum rifles. YUK!!! |
| | | Posts: 190 | Location: Manotick, Ontario, Canada | Registered: 24 September 2000 |
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| klsm54: Your posting brought to my mind a point I had never even considered before (Japans hypocrisy). Thank you for bringing that up and I agree with your contention 100%. I always prefer to buy American. Its been a very long time since I bought any Japanese sporting product retail. I did falter several months ago and bought a Japanese made Weaver scope used at a Gunshow. Shame on me for that!
Thanks again for the very credible point and critiicism of Japan. I should have analyzed that situation for myself! I guess that is another good reason for the exchange of ideas on forums like these.
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| I think the American manufacturers had better open their eyes just a little wider. Some of the
more popular rifles at the moment seem to be Sako, CZ, Howa, Browning and Tikka, all imports.
There has to be a reason. Not everyone is anti-American. It's the same with the automobiles.
Toyota and Honda have grabbed the lion's share of the car market. Are they bum products? I think not. We're capable of making far better products but don't. To hell with this misguided patriotism. You want my dollars, you give me a decent value, and you don't hide behind our flag. No one is fooled by that ploy any longer. Sorry if this irritates some of my right wing friends. We're in a competitive world, now lets get out there and compete. Best wishes.
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