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Remington semi-autos and the Browning A Bolts. jorge | |||
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quote:Orion 1 The Japanese financed over 80% of the cost of the Australian Gun Registration Campaign. The Japanese Government totally finances the United Nations Conferance on Small Arms. You know the one that wants to prohibit international shipment of all small arms, including hunting rifles? In case you don't understand it means you will not be able to take your rifle to Canada or Africa or any place else hunting. Why is it that hunters in particular are, as a group, so willing to make any 'Deal with the Devil' to get a better deal on something or a cheaper hunting opportunity? ![[Confused]](images/icons/confused.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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My Super Blackhawk. It requires that I be locked inside to be able to hit a barn with it! The gun it replaced could be depended on to hit clay pigeons pretty regular on out there a bit. Oh well a recent purchase of a Redhawk has put me back in business with a "small" accurate 44 Mag! LouisB | |||
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quote:You still haven't shown me one succesful Jap effort to regulate guns in the United States. I can't help it if people in other countries let their governments fuck them over. | |||
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The worst???? Hard to really choose, so many candidates. For rifles, the marlin 60 and remington 742 head the short list. The Winchester 1400, Mossberg 835 and 500 and various 60's era bolts are my crapper shotguns. For handguns, you just HAVE to hate the under $100 garbage-never-worked-from-new-kill-the-dude and throw-it-away autos. Pot metal doesn't even cut it as a paper weight and they're too light for a doorstop. If you lace a few together they may work as a makeshift anchor. As for the Brownings: to my mind they get most of the things you need to do to make a quality gun right. It's just that they have some of the most piss poor designs. By and large they are made of good to excellent materials (except for the A-bolt trigger housing). They do a reasonably good job of machining, as good as anybody at the price point at least. Interior finish on the shotguns for example is very good for the price you pay. Wood to metal is by and large joined quite well and if you don't like the finish on the wood that's just your good taste, but it doesn't have anything to do with quality. The finish is at least well done and that is more than you can say for virtually all of the guns at Brownings price level. Where Browning is very weak at best though as stated earlier is their designs. The bolting system on the Citori for example sucks. Show a design like that to the higher end English, German or Italian gunmakers and they'll laugh in your face. It's a makeshift design from almost eighty years ago and they still stick with it. The A-bolt is another example. Most flyrods have less flex than that action. And WHERE did that idiotic "clip" come from? What bugs me the most is that all these problems are so very avoidable. The alternative would be guns that work as good as they look. As it stands their slogan makes them out to be fools. Gabe | |||
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![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif){kind=icon} Maybe an argument oughtta slow down when people start to quote another guy's quote on the first guy's quote on some guy's quote on that guy's quote... | |||
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[ 06-17-2003, 13:42: Message edited by: Talking Head ] | |||
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The ones I can not afford. | |||
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I'm not a fan of the Jap Brownings. | |||
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Remington Nylon 66 and those German things Johan mentioned. They are about even. Patrick [ 06-17-2003, 22:59: Message edited by: Patrick_D ] | ||
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The first gun I had that the design disgusted me was a Marksman BB/pellet/dart gun. That was in the early 60's, and they still make them. [shows you how much I know] A gun designer told me he really likes his 03 Springfield. He had some WW2 experiences that changed him. The gun doesn't do much for me, but hurt my shoulder and make me squint at the tiny sights. [shows you how much I know] [ 06-17-2003, 23:31: Message edited by: Clark ] | |||
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I don't like Rugers. They are built for cosmetics and not performance. I have owned 4 of them over the years, and had problems with all of them. Ruger and their investment casting process sucks. I like Browning Citori shotguns, especially the XS Skeet, and the XS Sporting models. I'm don't care for the design of their rifles. I prefer the old mauser style actions. Easier to tune. Remington quality leave a lot to be desired, but are head-and-shoulders above Ruger. Winchesters seem like fine rifles, but I have never owned one (other than mil-surp). Mostly because they haven't offered a lefty model until recently. I have never owned a Savage. I have a 1st model (1917) Newton Arms Co. Rifle in 30-06 and it is really a piece of art. Presentation grade walnut stock, double set triggers, eight locking lugs on the bolt,(6 forward and two rear), cut rifling, and flip up express sights. The wood to metal fit is flawless. To make that rifle today, with the same features and level of quality, it would cost well into the thousands of dollars. | |||
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I like 'em all. Some I won't pay for or keep, but all are interesting in one way or another. Even the biggest POS teaches me something, ranging from how ingeniously inventive folks can be to how downright awful a product "market-driven" decisions can produce. Take the stampled metal single shot 45 that was dropped to resistance fighters during WW II. Had to use a dowl to eject the case. POS? Definitely, but it only cost pennies to produce and enabled the owner to get a real gun. It fit the need then. No doubt some folks even thought it was pretty awsome. | ||
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Semi-auto hunting guns. Can't stand them. I guess semi's and full autos are fine where they're supposed to live, in self defense, shots fired in anger, wartime. If I was in the thick of it you bet I'd want a handgun and a rifle capable of putting a lot of lead in the air. But I just can't see the need for them in sporting arms. I realize there've been some great designs like the A-5 and 10-22's. But they don't do it for me. I think it's becuase I choose to look at sporting guns as incredibly intricate, complex, fine tools, not machines. | |||
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I had a Marlin .22 magnum it was a bolt action and it was trash it shot like poo and the bolt, stock and reciver seemed like imitation dog turds it was that bad. Marlin should stick to there levers which are great guns. | |||
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Listed from bad to worst [LIST] ![[Roll Eyes]](images/icons/rolleyes.gif){kind=icon} As if it isn't bad enough that corporate America has bastardized most of the "primitive " (it is supposed to be a challenge) seasons in the name of maketing "technology".(read- corporate profits) Now they are trying to blasphemize the "Flintlocks"! ![[Mad]](images/icons/mad.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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Cherry boy, You probably made a ton of money fixin' those semi-auto Remingtons because every body and his dog owns one. They are as common as dirt where I hunt, but I only ever saw one fail to cycle a round and it was full of grease and gunk from never being cleaned. Hell, it even had a piece of a decomposed leaf in the receiver when we took it apart. | |||
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Anything that has to do with the history and development of small arms I find very interesting, but having said that, if I were getting the "flash card/tell me what you think" from a shrink and he showed me an assault rifle, my response would be "tits on a boar hog". I know there are some intelligent people who have a genuine interest in that sort of rifle, but undoubtedly my distaste is fueled by many of the cretins who simply like spewing lead out the bbl as fast as they can and then do the "thats right, we bad!" strutt, or the gangbangers who use them to kill each other. (Actually I dont mind them killing each other as much as the mindless shooing of innocents. Also, speaking of usless, I agree with Lynyrd Skynyrd about the "saturday night special". and finally the "handgun that wants to be a rifle" category. Either get a real rifle or a real pistol, but make up your mind which one you want.. ![[Razz]](images/icons/tongue.gif){kind=icon} [ 06-18-2003, 06:07: Message edited by: Wstrnhuntr ] | |||
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Any gun that says made in japan.... | |||
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quote:You're falling for exactly the same falsehood antis are relying on to enhance the politically incorrect rifle ban. FBI statistics have shown that military style semi automatic rifles are used in an almost statistically insignificant number of crimes. What others do with their lead sprayers at a gun range shouldn't concern you. If you want to see serious marksmanship with "assault rifles" find a NRA sanctioned highpwer rifle match and watch. You might actually learn something. It is a patriotic duty to be proficient in the use of military arms. | |||
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Anything French (except the FAMAS, which is really cool). Remingtons. Rugers (except the No. 1, with a lot of gunsmithing) and Savages (except the immortal 1899). And especially, ferociously, to the point of nausea: in-line muzzleloaders (what a hideous development) and those neither-fish-nor-fowl bolt action or single shot, scoped half (assed) rifles that have come to be called "hunting handguns." | |||
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glocks(and their owners) because they never jam,never misfire,and they would never admit it even if they did. besides that magazine prices are outrageous. there is a sucker born every minute.($75 for a glock magazine,what a joke!) | |||
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quote:WH, The evening news people say the same thing about all guns. They speculate about the kind of people they attract. And want "reasonable" controls, like keeping your 8mm Mauser locked up at a rifle range, to keep it away from the children and the undesirable types who seem to be attracted to it. That goes double for my S&W M37, which, in more genteel times, was occasionally jokingly referred to as a "Saturday Night Niggertown Special." Nice company you keep with your name-calling. If you buy into the stereotypes, or create them yourself, YOU are part of the problem. I believe that you saw an asshole at a range once (or five times) with an autoloader. I once saw some Black folks (young males) acting like animals. That does not make autoloaders evil or Black folks animals. Even if you or I see it again next week. For shame. | |||
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quote:Get real! Im not suggesting that autoloaders are evil, just that there is a stigma attatched to them wether you want to admit it or not. And you can put down the race card too. I dont like anti gun movements either. If you want to call my dislike for people who are ignorant to shooters ethics and firearm saftey steryotyping then so be it. You pick your pet peaves and Ill pick mine. | |||
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Winchester Model 100, yes it was a .308, but that Darn rifle just would not function. Accuracy wasn't an issue, because it didn't have any. Nearly ruined me as a shooter. But then that was many many years ago. Still mad at it! | |||
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I would never own another pedersoli | |||
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I hate all double rifles because none of them belong to me--got stupid and sold mine. Now I have 2 daughters in college so guess how much extra $ I have?! ![[Frown]](images/icons/frown.gif){kind=icon} Don't like the barrel nut on Savages and don't like Rem 700 BDL or ADL because the quality of the barrels is dictated by Walmart and it aint what it used to be!Good Hunting, | |||
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quote:The stigma must be in your head. Nobody I know stigmatizes shooters of semi auto rifles or shotguns, regardless of what the guns look like. I'm glad I don't know you. I'd like to keep it that way. | |||
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Guess I got here to late to stir the pot. I like a lot, if not most guns. I really dislike AK47's. Intensely. lhonda, which half? Top, bottom, left or right? I'm give respect when it's earned not before. And it's my recent memory that comes and goes, not the old days. Screw JAPland! And every thing they make for export to the U.S. IMHO they are some of the most racist pluckers on earth. | |||
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I expected some flames for my opinion on this. Maybe you guys are right and maybe Im wrong, I just calls um like I sees um. It just seems like around here latley every yahoo with $100.00 wants to get an SKS and obliterate the countryside. I dont have a problem with that either. In my eyes, the problems begin when anyone who is of age is considered automatically knowledgable about firearm saftey according to the law, when the facts are quite contrary. Myself and most everyone I know who shoots at all grew up shooting and learning gun saftey at a very young age and know that it is not something to take lightly. I think that everyone and I mean "EVERYONE" who owns a gun should be required to take some kind of shooters saftey course at some point in their life. I hope that will clear up my standpoint a bit. Ill bear your opinions in mind. ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif){kind=icon} [ 06-20-2003, 05:47: Message edited by: Wstrnhuntr ] | |||
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Wstrn: You know, if everybody who owned a gun and wanted to shoot it had to go through some kind of government-mandated training, no one would be shooting their guns. The training would be made so intricate and so involved and the testing upon completion of the training would be so difficult that no one would pass and the government would have achieved its goals. Think about it... | |||
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DigiDan: Why do you dislike the AK-47 so intensely? Admittedly they are not the most attractive of guns, but they are very reliable and isn't that one of the top attributes of any firearm-- that it fire when the trigger is squeezed?? I like the genius behind the design; our M-16 would do well to achieve such reliability under adverse conditions. I'm going to get an AK when my custom rig is done. It will have the nice OD green furniture and the NATO buttstock. Yeah, that laminated crap is ugly, but the Commies ain't all that much into the looks of a rod. | |||
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I'd have to agree on the AK's for being crap. While there are folks out there that tend to like them, the workmanship, or lack there of makes me want to puke. It's not the fact that their a semi-automatic, but their just plain ugly sheet metal crap. The AR, on the other hand, can be made quite well with quality parts and machined well. Not to mention, it has become very accurate in recent years with groups holding much closer than most bolt-action rifles being even custom built today. That does intrigue me just for the fact that they are that accurate. But, with all that being said, I still don't own one. Maybe one day, but I'm not beating the door down to get one either. Still reckon I'm a little too conservative yet!! I'd say of all the firearm manufacturers out their, the three that stand out in my mind as being the most ill conceived, worthless, POS's would have to be in this order, High Point, Jennings, and Harrington and Richardson. Anything with those three names should be used for firewood, boat anchors, or both. | |||
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Boy, there are some eye opening posts here.. ![[Eek!]](images/icons/shocked.gif){kind=icon} A thread like this makes it obvious that we, as gun owners, are a very biased thinking group. We obviously have a love / hate opinion of many gun manufacturers. I am a "Buy American" person whenever possible. I have real problem buying a Japanese gun when I know what their stance is on gun ownership by private citzens.. ...The fact that they even manufacture sporting arms is hypocrytical and deceitful. I'll be darned if I am going to give any backstabbers like them any money from profits on my gun purchases that they will use to take my firearms. Even more revolting than a company like say, Howa, a Japanese company, is a so called American company, like Browning or Weatherby, that supports these anti gun nations economies by importing guns that are made there and putting what used to be American names on them. To me these companys are the ultimate hypocrites. That being said my gun safe has Remingtons, Rugers, Winchesters, S&Ws, Savages, an Anshutz,and a Colt in it. Some other things that will keep me from buying a gun are; Glossy stock finishes, Monte Carlo Stocks, too much plastic in the wrong places,and gold plated triggers... [ 06-21-2003, 22:07: Message edited by: klsm54 ] | |||
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I dislike Remington and savage bolt guns. Though they shoot fine, cosmetically they look like they were put together by some high school shop student with little gunsmithing ability. | |||
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What don't I like? Most guns that are less than 40 years old, start with an "R" or have a "7" in the model #.... ..and just to keep the flames going, what's with all this 'buy only American' stuff? Does that mean you also favor not exporting to other countries? Seems to me America is probably the worlds largest exporter of guns, especially military hardware! Seems kind of isolationist to me.... | |||
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The ones that get pointed cross range by inattentive users. | ||
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ANYTHING WITH A CLAW EXTRACTOR. | |||
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