I am leaning toward a 1.1-4 Kahles at the moment. Price is right and eye relief looks good. I am not a Leupold fan. Any thoughts. Butch

What model are you looking at? I see a 3.5" eye relief listed here. Also does that line have fixed eye relief?

http://www.kahlesoptik.com/products/sporting_rifle_scopes.html#

I would get two Leupolds for a hard kicker like that. Then a backup will be with you or at least in transit.

i realize this is heresy...

tasco titan 1.25x40

this is a premium class scope

30 mm tube

has to use 30 mm rings...

39.5% greater surface area than a 1" tube

german 3 post
and cheap

Although you are not a Leup fan, I would suggest a Leup 2.5x compact with heavy duplex reticle. The scope has a short eyepiece so the eyepiece will not get anywhere hear your forehead. Regardless of the eye relief, the Kahles has a relatively long eyepiece, placing the eyepiece close to your forehead. I have used the Leup 2.5x on a .585 nyati and it held up fine.

Jeffe-
Do you have one of those Titans or know folks that do? They look good but I'm a bit wary of the brand.

have had and/or sold a couple of them. really good scopes... and for 170ish...

jeffe

Butch,
Are you crazy ????

You think your neck's been bad, play with a Lott for a while !!!

Pat B.

Jeffe's right about the 1.5 x 6 Titan. $185 at Midway. I have one oher Tasco, a 24X World Class on a 220 Swift. Only two Tascos I ever cared for. I'd get another Titan in a hearbeat.

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Originally posted by 500grains:
Although you are not a Leup fan, I would suggest a Leup 2.5x compact with heavy duplex reticle. The scope has a short eyepiece so the eyepiece will not get anywhere hear your forehead. Regardless of the eye relief, the Kahles has a relatively long eyepiece, placing the eyepiece close to your forehead. I have used the Leup 2.5x on a .585 nyati and it held up fine.

I second the above, I have a 2.5x leupold on a .585 Nyati and it works for that also have one on my .458 lott, .416, & 45/70. It's a very tough scope and for a .458 lott it is good. If it where a .416 I would agree that the khales would be the better scope.

Another vote for the 2.5X Leupold compact. I have put over 1,000 rounds through my .458 Lott, and the scope is still just fine. My recommendation is that with a .458 Lott, you want at least 4 inches of eye relief, or the gun will "kiss" you occassionally.

I have that Kahles on my Ruger RSM 458 Lott. After 100-150rds it hasn't broken yet and is definately better optically than the Leupold 1.5-5 I have on my other Lott.
If I were going to hunt Cape Buffalo tommorow I would take the RSM with the Kahles and have a presighted 1.5-5 Leupy or other scope presighted as a backup.
The Nikon Gold 1.5-6 might be worth checking into, and I would like to see one of the new Nightforce 1.1-4's also..............DJ

I asked this same question in the optics forum and recieved the same answer. I have since started looking for the Leupold 2.5X scope mentioned. Could someone post a link to the scope described. All I could locate in a new leupold was a scout type scope. I must be overlooking the scope. I am sure it is readily available. Thanks.

If I ever build a lott, and when my rich uncle gets out of the poor house I may some day............anyway, I will go with a peep of some type and no do the scope thing.

But if I was, I would not hesitate to put a titan on it, they do seem to take the recoil very well........may be the sleeper of all scopes.........and I hate Tasco scopes.

The leupy 2.5 is usually listed under the compacts. The only downside of the 2.5 is it is a relatively short scope, so you might have difficulty keeping the front lens forward of the front scope mount. That said, it is a tough bugger.

Pat B., you know that I'm getting old and need to do it soon. My neck surgery was in Feb. and I am doing well. I put my back surgery off until after the benchrest season and the opening of dear season. I will have carpel tunnel surgery at the time of back surgery so I can piggy back healing time. Back to the scopes. My experience with Leupolds in BR guns have the erector tube moving and changing your point of aim. My 300 Weatherby has popped me a few times with a 4X Leupold, but I forgot and tried to fire it free recoil off the bench, and yes it jumped off the bench after popping me pretty good. I am a slow learner. Thanks for the input as this is new territory for me. Butch

Another vote for the Leupold 2.5 compact. I like them well enough that they are on most of my rifles, not only the DGRs but also the general purpose guns like the 30s. I can't imagine life without Leupold, and especially without that little 2.5. That I am aware of, OpticsPlanet has the best deals right now. http://www.opticsplanet.net/leupold-fx-ii-2-5x20mm-ultralight-rifle-scope.html

If I may ask, Butch, what do you have against Leupold?

Oops, just saw your post about Leupold. Never mind.

the ONLY scope I have found that works on a 458 Lott is the Leupold 2.5X compact..the rest will trash withiin 250 rounds, most in 50 rounds...

About any scope will work if all you do is set the gun in a gun cabinet and show it to your drinkin buddies, but on a gun thats used you had better use a receiver sight, Ghost peep of some sort or a 2.5x Leupold.... and remember they only go at the moment of truth, Murphys law.

Mr. Atkinson, the only fixed power 2.5X Leupold is the Scout scope that I guess mounts on the barrel for 9+ inches of eye relief. I couldn't find anything else on their website. Davis Christman is mounting proper iron sights in his estimation. I don't have enough money to build a rifle just to show my buddies. I have a few nice rifles and have used them all. If we cross paths I would gladly share a Becks with you. Butch

"Mr. Atkinson, the only fixed power 2.5X Leupold is the Scout scope that I guess mounts on the barrel for 9+ inches of eye relief. I couldn't find anything else on their website."

http://www.leupold.com/products/products_specs.asp

Well crap. That didn't work. Well, click on the link and then open the "select a scope" tool bar. Scroll down to "FX-II 2.5x20mm Ultralight" (it's the tenth one down the list) and you'll see the one we're talking about.

An Noel says, the Ultralight FX-II is the scope you are looking. A pic of mine on my CZ550 Lott. Although it looks a little strange eye releif is perfect and the objective is well clear of the front ring. Mounts are Sportsmatch fromt he UK.

Hi Wall, nice wood on your lott mate !!

Here is mine;

PC,
Whats with the Acra-Glass in the bolt notch? And the burlap wrapped on the scope tube...

Just curious,
PB

Mr HiWall, do you know my mates, Stuart&Annie Elliot of Canberra? They will be here to visit me for 2 weeks or so in August before going to Ohio for the World Championships. The eye relief looks great on the little Leupold and is quite a bit cheaper than the Kahles. Optics are very important to me. Butch

I haven't met the Elliots Butch, but hear of them regularly. Highly respected bench rest competitors here in Australia - I hope they do well at the Worlds. Am sure the will enjoy their visit to the US.

PB,

thats just the normal sump oil cz finish in the bolt notch........I think. The camo tape is just to protect the scope from knocks etc.

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Originally posted by butchlambert:
I am leaning toward a 1.1-4 Kahles at the moment. Price is right and eye relief looks good. I am not a Leupold fan. Any thoughts. Butch

I have got this on my .460 Weath.:

http://www.swarovskioptik.at/english/produkt/index.asp?...le%20Scopes&model=14

It works fine. Bute use a triple mag pachmayer or a decellerator cap!

How many rounds do you have through your .460 with that scope on?

I have Swarvoski binoculars and one of their scopes. Nice pieces, but the eye relief on the PV-1 is way too short for me. Thanks for your reply. Butch

Leupold vari x III on my Brno actioned 460WM. I've shot up at least a half dozen 50ct boxes of 500gr Hornadies since 1988 with no scope problems. Rings are Conetrol. Not full house Weatherby loads but 112gr of 4350 for just shy of 2400fps.

Burris Signature Safari Scope 1.75-5x 32mm Taper Plex Reticle Matte

Burris Signature scopes offer ultra high grades of optical glass for superior light transmission. They feature finger adjustable 1/2 MOA windage and elevation knobs, microscopic tolerances and optimum Hi-Lume multi-coating on every lens. The optical system and superior light management produces very bright and sharp images no matter what the magnification. The Signature Safari scopes feature an extra 3/4" of eye relief for hard recoiling rifles and are covered under Burris' Forever Warranty.


Anyone have an experience with this one?

I remember reading somewhere about recoil tests done at Leupold on the .458 Lott. It noted that “on paper†the recoil force was very similar to many other cartridges in that size range (and even less than some smaller ones) but when they measured the time interval of the recoil force it was found that the .458 Lott went far ahead of all the others in “sharpness†of recoil due to the fact that the peak force was reached MUCH quicker. Equivalent to the difference in a quick punch vs. a slower shove...but with the same amount of overall energy behind them.

Leupold supposedly used those tests in designing their newer scopes to better handle recoil forces.

OK friends, I ordered a 2.5 Leupold Ultra lite. It should be in tomorrow. I also ordered the Redding deluxe 3 die set. What brand of QD scope rings should I get? This is a CZ550 receiver. Thanks Butch

butch,

I would get the warne QD's

Rick is right,I saw a deal on that. It went on to say a fixed power was the only chance of geting one to hold together. I did notice only fixed power was recomended here. I have heard great things about the compact. $250.00 or so I think.
Gene

Gene, my grandson swears in 7-09-06 and heads to the left coast for basic. He wants to be a jarhead bad. Must have come from my wife's side of the family. Semper Fi. Butch

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Originally posted by butchlambert:
Gene, my grandson swears in 7-09-06 and heads to the left coast for basic. He wants to be a jarhead bad. Must have come from my wife's side of the family. Semper Fi. Butch

That,s what my dad said back in 66.
God, has it been 40 yrs?
Gene

Let me tell you why I will never buy anything but Leupold. I bought my first 458 used from a good friends dad. He had taken it to Africa 4 times and didnt see himself going again. It is a remmington model 700 safari custom in 458. The gun and the scope were about 15 years old when I bought it but in near mint condition, I took it to the range and it shoot just under an inch with factory federal 500g. I was leaning toward a 375 at the time but with a shooter like that and at $800 I could not say no.

Needless to say a young guy getting ready for his first buffalo hunt I reloaded and shot the piss out of the rifle. I got the groups down to .5 inches from the bench and was doing a lot of shooting offhand and from shooting sticks for practice. One day the scope, a Leupold 2.5 X 5 sheared free from the Leupold windage adjustable mounts while shooting offhand !!

I called up the customer service at Leupold, the nice lady told me that windage adjustable mounts are not reccomended for large magnum callibers and the I should consider either QD or dual dovetail. I told her I would like to order QD as the rifle has iron sights that I could use in an emergerncy. While talking I mentioned that my other "big" rifle that had windage adjustable was my 300 win model 70 with a Leupold VX3 2.5 X 8. I mused as to wether I should change them also. She strongly sugested that I do so. I told her I would like to order dual dovetail for this gun as there is no iron sights. She took my address, verified the rifle and scope models and told me that both sets of new bases and rings would be at my house in 3 bussiness days. I asked if I could pay by creddit card and she told me "NO SIR THIS IS A WARRANTY ISSUE THER IS NO CHARGE...is there anything else I can help you with???"

I was completly shocked. I was already a happy customer but this is unbelivable service.
AMERICAN MADE PRODUCT
NO BULLSHIT LIFETIME WARRANTY

And most importantly a Leupold scope has never failed me, I have never had to re sight in after traveling and they are just as good as most of the high priced germans. I think Swaroski had glass that is perhaps 10% better but they cost 3 to 4 times as much!!
Also ever try to pursue the waranty on a swaroski or a zeiss??? A friend of mine did he hit a brick wall and the scope was useless at 4 years old!!!

Final note, you can buy a Leupold from anywhere, Bubbas Guns and Tacle, used at a garage sale or off Ebay and if you ever have a problem with it they will fix it. They dont even ask where you bought it or if you have a recipt or how long age it was, lifetime unconditional warranty means what it says.
If they can't fix it they will replace it if it is a model that they don't make anymore they will replace it with a current comprable model.

Let me tell you why I will never buy anything but Leupold. I bought my first 458 used from a good friends dad. He had taken it to Africa 4 times and didnt see himself going again. It is a remmington model 700 safari custom in 458. The gun and the scope were about 15 years old when I bought it but in near mint condition, I took it to the range and it shoot just under an inch with factory federal 500g. I was leaning toward a 375 at the time but with a shooter like that and at $800 I could not say no.

Needless to say a young guy getting ready for his first buffalo hunt I reloaded and shot the piss out of the rifle. I got the groups down to .5 inches from the bench and was doing a lot of shooting offhand and from shooting sticks for practice. One day the scope, a Leupold 2.5 X 5 sheared free from the Leupold windage adjustable mounts while shooting offhand !!

I called up the customer service at Leupold, the nice lady told me that windage adjustable mounts are not reccomended for large magnum callibers and the I should consider either QD or dual dovetail. I told her I would like to order QD as the rifle has iron sights that I could use in an emergerncy. While talking I mentioned that my other "big" rifle that had windage adjustable was my 300 win model 70 with a Leupold VX3 2.5 X 8. I mused as to wether I should change them also. She strongly sugested that I do so. I told her I would like to order dual dovetail for this gun as there is no iron sights. She took my address, verified the rifle and scope models and told me that both sets of new bases and rings would be at my house in 3 bussiness days. I asked if I could pay by creddit card and she told me "NO SIR THIS IS A WARRANTY ISSUE THER IS NO CHARGE...is there anything else I can help you with???"

I was completly shocked. I was already a happy customer but this is unbelivable service.
AMERICAN MADE PRODUCT
NO BULLSHIT LIFETIME WARRANTY

And most importantly a Leupold scope has never failed me, I have never had to re sight in after traveling and they are just as good as most of the high priced germans. I think Swaroski had glass that is perhaps 10% better but they cost 3 to 4 times as much!!
Also ever try to pursue the waranty on a swaroski or a zeiss??? A friend of mine did he hit a brick wall and the scope was useless at 4 years old!!!

Final note, you can buy a Leupold from anywhere, Bubbas Guns and Tacle, used at a garage sale or off Ebay and if you ever have a problem with it they will fix it. They dont even ask where you bought it or if you have a recipt or how long age it was, lifetime unconditional warranty means what it says.
If they can't fix it they will replace it if it is a model that they don't make anymore they will replace it with a current comprable model.




EVER TRY THAT WITH SOME FANCY KRAUT GLASS??