We must not only not purchase Cooper products but strongly suggest to any retailers that their chances of earning your business will increase if they refuse to carry Cooper Firearms.

Just in case there is ANY doubt about where this scum bag stands on the gun issue.


Illinois State Rifle Association Executive Director Richard Pearson Issues Open Letter to Nation's Sportsmen Regarding Obama's History in the Illinois Senate


CHICAGO, Oct 15, 2008 /PRNewswire-USNewswire via COMTEX/ -- The following is the text of an open letter to the nation's hunters and sportsmen issued today by Illinois State Rifle Association Executive Director Richard Pearson:

Fellow Sportsman,

Hello, my name is Rich Pearson and I have been active in the firearm rights movement for over 40 years. For the past 15 years, I have served in the Illinois state capitol as the chief lobbyist for the Illinois State Rifle Association.

I lobbied Barack Obama extensively while he was an Illinois State Senator. As a result of that experience, I know Obama's attitudes toward guns and gun owners better than anyone. The truth be told, in all my years in the Capitol I have never met a legislator who harbors more contempt for the law-abiding firearm owner than does Barack Obama.

Although Obama claims to be an advocate for the 2nd Amendment, his voting record in the Illinois Senate paints a very different picture. While a state senator, Obama voted for a bill that would ban nearly every hunting rifle, shotgun and target rifle owned by Illinois citizens. That same bill would authorize the state police to raid homes of gun owners to forcibly confiscate banned guns. Obama supported a bill that would shut down law-abiding firearm manufacturers including Springfield Armory, Armalite, Rock River Arms and Les Baer. Obama also voted for a bill that would prohibit law-abiding citizens from purchasing more than one gun per month.

Without a doubt, Barack Obama has proven himself to be an enemy of the law abiding firearm owner. At the same time, Obama has proven himself to be a friend to the hardened criminal. While a state senator, Obama voted 4 times against legislation that would allow a homeowner to use a firearm in defense of home and family.

Does Barack Obama still sound to you like a "friend" of the law-abiding gun owner?

And speaking of friends, you can always tell a person by the company they keep. Obama counts among his friends the Rev. Michael Pfleger - a renegade Chicago priest who has openly called for the murder of gun shop owners and pro-gun legislators. Then there is his buddy Richard Daley, the mayor of Chicago who has declared that if it were up to him, nobody would be allowed to own a gun. And let's not forget Obama's pal George Soros - the guy who has pumped millions of dollars into the UN's international effort to disarm law-abiding citizens.

Obama has shown that he is more than willing to use other people's money to fund his campaign to take your guns away from you. While a board member of the leftist Joyce Foundation, Barack Obama wrote checks for tens of millions of dollars to extremist gun control organizations such as the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence and the Violence Policy Center.

Does Barack Obama still sound to you like a "friend" of the law-abiding gun owner?

By now, I'm sure that many of you have received mailings from an organization called "American Hunters and Shooters Association(AHSA)" talking about what a swell fellow Obama is and how he honors the 2nd Amendment and how you will never have to worry about Obama coming to take your guns. Let me make it perfectly clear - everything the AHSA says about Obama is pure hogwash. The AHSA is headed by a group of left-wing elitists who subscribe to the British view of hunting and shooting. That is, a state of affairs where hunting and shooting are reserved for the wealthy upper-crust who can afford guided hunts on exclusive private reserves. The AHSA is not your friend, never will be.

In closing, I'd like to remind you that I'm a guy who has actually gone nose to nose with Obama on gun rights issues. The Obama I know cannot even begin to identify with this nation's outdoor traditions. The Obama I know sees you, the law abiding gun owner, as nothing but a low-class lummox who is easily swayed by the flash of a smile and a ration of rosy rhetoric. The Obama I know is a stony-faced liar who has honed his skill at getting what he wants - so long as people are willing to give it to him.

That's the Barack Obama I know.

The ISRA is the state's leading advocate of safe, lawful and responsible firearms ownership. Founded in 1903, the ISRA has represented the interests of millions of law-abiding Illinois firearm owners.

WEB SITE: http://www.isra.org

SOURCE Illinois State Rifle Association

As for MR bartsche, Americans have been sacrificing young lives for over 200 years to gain and protect our freedom, and as long as I can I will vote to continue doing so until every bastard who wants to take our freedom away is 6 feet under. And yes, this war is about freedom.

John

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I love my guns and the use of them for at least 65 years. If it came to keeping my guns or loosing one more human life for oil and Chaney's wealth** bye bye guns. Sorry but that's the way I feel.

That sounds very altruistic but it is sophist bullshit. I'd give two things a lot more personal than my guns if it meant the end of war/death/injustice etc. You juxtapose two things as opposite that are not and in the meantime, show your willingness to lay your rights at the feet of a Marxist in the interest of something that cannot be attained by doing so.
I'll remind you of the old quote from Ben Franklin in regards to this, if you don't know which one I am talking about just look up Franklin's ideas about personal security and freedom, maybe in the process you'll change your feelings.

Enjoy your right to espouse your thoughts and beliefs, and I'll enjoy my right to shake my head ruefully.

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I love my guns and the use of them for at least 65 years. If it came to keeping my guns or loosing one more human life for oil and Chaney's wealth** bye bye guns. Sorry but that's the way I feel.

Would you give up your whiskey that puts money in the pocket of Ted Kennedy if it would save one life? You must be frikkin drunk to make a stupid statement like that.

Jury's still out on Cooper's reply. Doesn't look like he's supported ANY Republicans. It would be interesting to find the donations he claims to have sent to McCain.

I'm curious how many of you have progressive insurance? Here's a partial list of the owner's (peter lewis) influence peddling.
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?city=Cle...st=lewis&first=peter
We're talking $millions$ here. progressive heavily advertises to sportsmen in many of the magazines available. This is a business I think right minded people should boycott.

I was in an accident with a jerk that backed out of a driveway at full speed and rammed into the rear quarter of my '92 GMC. The guy had progressive ins. My phone was constantly ringing with one of their adjusters pushing me to accept junkyard parts and the cheapest place around to fix my truck. My truck was my family vehicle at the time and also the tow vehicle for my walleye boat. progressive refused to tell me that I could rent a truck and they would pay for it. They must have told me a hundred times that they only pay for a mid sized vehicle. I had a fishing vacation planned and wasn't going to postpone it. I found the most expensive shop to work on my truck and the owner of the shop told me to never agree to anything that an insurance company tells you. He told me to rent the truck, go on vacation and send the bill to progressive. He also ordered a new GM quarter panel and did the best job he could repairing my truck. After it was all said and done I had to rent a truck twice and the rental bill was over $4000. The cost to put on a new quarter, straighten frame ect was a little under $4000. progressive was hoping I would take their advice and only spend around $750. Needless to say they were quite pissed but paid every single bill.

My point here is if you want to boycott those who wish to take your guns away, you can have much more impact on the bottom line of liberal loving business than you even know. And, at the same time make an informed choice on which companies you wish to support where the CEO's donate to the party of your choice. While the apparent BS with Cooper is quite frustrating, I'd rather see progressive insurance run into the ground than a gun company.

He's been supporting Obama since at least 2004.


COOPER, DANIEL LYDDELL
STEVENSVILLE, MT 59870
CFI-MONTANA

OBAMA, BARACK
VIA OBAMA FOR ILLINOIS INC
08/16/2004 1000.00 24020791814

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Originally posted by gunmaker:
Jury's still out on Cooper's reply. Doesn't look like he's supported ANY Republicans. It would be interesting to find the donations he claims to have sent to McCain.

I'm curious how many of you have progressive insurance? Here's a partial list of the owner's (peter lewis) influence peddling.
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?city=Cle...st=lewis&first=peter
We're talking $millions$ here. progressive heavily advertises to sportsmen in many of the magazines available. This is a business I think right minded people should boycott.

I was in an accident with a jerk that backed out of a driveway at full speed and rammed into the rear quarter of my '92 GMC. The guy had progressive ins. My phone was constantly ringing with one of their adjusters pushing me to accept junkyard parts and the cheapest place around to fix my truck. My truck was my family vehicle at the time and also the tow vehicle for my walleye boat. progressive refused to tell me that I could rent a truck and they would pay for it. They must have told me a hundred times that they only pay for a mid sized vehicle. I had a fishing vacation planned and wasn't going to postpone it. I found the most expensive shop to work on my truck and the owner of the shop told me to never agree to anything that an insurance company tells you. He told me to rent the truck, go on vacation and send the bill to progressive. He also ordered a new GM quarter panel and did the best job he could repairing my truck. After it was all said and done I had to rent a truck twice and the rental bill was over $4000. The cost to put on a new quarter, straighten frame ect was a little under $4000. progressive was hoping I would take their advice and only spend around $750. Needless to say they were quite pissed but paid every single bill.

My point here is if you want to boycott those who wish to take your guns away, you can have much more impact on the bottom line of liberal loving business than you even know. And, at the same time make an informed choice on which companies you wish to support where the CEO's donate to the party of your choice. While the apparent BS with Cooper is quite frustrating, I'd rather see progressive insurance run into the ground than a gun company.

I received an email just a few min ago.

"In response to the recent article highlighting Dan Cooper’s personal political donations, the board of directors, shareholders and employees of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc would like to issue the following statement.

The employees, shareholders and board of directors of Cooper Firearms of Montana do not share the personal political views of Dan Cooper.

Although we all believe everyone has a right to vote and donate as they see fit, it has become apparent that the fallout may affect more than just Mr. Cooper. It may also affect the employees and the shareholders of Cooper Firearms.

The board of directors has asked Mr. Cooper to resign as President of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc.

Daily operations will continue with the competent staff currently in place in Stevensville, MT producing the finest, most accurate rifles money can buy.

Dan Cooper has spent all of his working life producing the highest quality rifles built here in the USA. He started with nothing but the American Dream and built that into firearms company anyone would be proud of. We firmly believe Dan stands by the 2nd amendment.
We wish him all of the best in his future pursuits."

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Originally posted by Howard:

Dan Cooper has spent all of his working life producing the highest quality rifles built here in the USA. He started with nothing but the American Dream and built that into firearms company anyone would be proud of. We firmly believe Dan stands by the 2nd amendment.
We wish him all of the best in his future pursuits

Well, fuck ol' Dan!

"Asked" to resign. i see nothing that says he has done so. so fuck 'em!

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Originally posted by Westpac:

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Originally posted by Howard:

Dan Cooper has spent all of his working life producing the highest quality rifles built here in the USA. He started with nothing but the American Dream and built that into firearms company anyone would be proud of. We firmly believe Dan stands by the 2nd amendment.
We wish him all of the best in his future pursuits

Well, fuck ol' Dan!

Just to clarify those are comments from Cooper Firearms not my comments. I have edited my post to clarify that.

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Originally posted by Howard:

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Originally posted by Westpac:

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Originally posted by Howard:

Dan Cooper has spent all of his working life producing the highest quality rifles built here in the USA. He started with nothing but the American Dream and built that into firearms company anyone would be proud of. We firmly believe Dan stands by the 2nd amendment.
We wish him all of the best in his future pursuits

Well, fuck ol' Dan!

Just to clarify those are comments from Cooper Firearms not my comments. I have edited my post to clarify that.

I figured that those were comments from the company.

A couple weeks ago I went to buy some new hunting boots.....I don't remember the brand I was looking at but sure had a fine fitting and comfortable set of boots.....then I noticed on the box that the company was a division of Berkshire Hathaway.....(owned by primarily by Warren Buffett.....who donated heavily and supported Hillary Clinton........I calmly put the boots back in the box, said good bye to the salesperson and wore my old boots another year.

Why any business owner wishes to divulge his political preference is a total amazement to me.....at the least he will piss off 1/2 the ppulation....Warren Buffett....shame on you!

isnt dan cooper the president and the owner and probably the board of directors?

Obviously the right thinking folks at Cooper Arms realized that 'ol Dan pooped in the mess kit. How would you like to have been a fly on the wall of that Board meeting a couple days after a noticeable chunk of their orders were cancelled and the phones/emails were off the hook! I'm sure very few (probably none) were in support of what Dan had done.

There isn't any spin you could put on this boo-boo to make it right. Dan Cooper is out of the firearm business.

I'm sure others will take note.

Many folk might now avoid a Cooper product cause of the support for Obama,
..wouldnt it be ironical though ,If by some chance Cooper has been promised a big government contract, and those current & potential future US military folk who decide to avoid a Cooper for personal use,due to dislike of the political affiliation&policies, may actually be bound&forced to use them in the line of their patriotic duty?......

makes you realize loyalty and ideals can conflict, and seriously question long missheld beliefs.

Cabelas is one of the big sellers for Cooper anybody with some influence?

A good question at this point is, just how much of Cooper Firearms does ole Dan own. If by chance he owns most of the stock, well then, its a smoke screen.

"Resign as President" does not mean the same thing as SEVER ALL TIES - which is what is required. So long as Dan Cooper remains involved with Cooper Firearms and reaps monetary benefit from the sale of it's products, 2nd Amendment supporters are not going to be satisfied.

Just curious about why people do what they do, from a psychology point of view. That's my motivation in asking this question. Is Dan Cooper married? Has he got a family?

Don

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Originally posted by bartsche:
I love my guns and the use of them for at least 65 years. If it came to keeping my guns or loosing one more human life for oil and Chaney's wealth** bye bye guns. Sorry but that's the way I feel.

This may not be popular on this forum but that's my focus on what we are looking at. I pray that whomever is elected has the stones to take the right path and that means the big picture and not just gun legistration. sorry guys but that is my take on it. roger

If you really think that oil profits are what this war is about then you are an idiot. I have done multiple combat tours to Iraq and I am on month 12 of my current 15 month deployment. Take it from someone who is neck deep in the middle of it that you are way off base.

You mention seeing the big picture - well open your eyes because you are not getting it. With the guns, oil, or war.

Yes I don't understand why Dan would support someone who wants to do away with his products.
Can you imagine all the regulations Democrats will concoct once they are in charge? It'll be impossible for any manufacturer to stay in business.
It seems he's been moving to the left the last 4 years, and finally it came to light.
I don't believe for one minute that Dan Cooper believes in the 2nd Amendment anymore.

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Originally posted by DMB:
Just curious about why people do what they do, from a psychology point of view. That's my motivation in asking this question. Is Dan Cooper married? Has he got a family?

Don

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Originally posted by ForrestB:
"Resign as President" does not mean the same thing as SEVER ALL TIES - which is what is required. So long as Dan Cooper remains involved with Cooper Firearms and reaps monetary benefit from the sale of it's products, 2nd Amendment supporters are not going to be satisfied.

Until it's very clear that Cooper firearms and Dan have no direst connection of any kind including financial I will botcott them 100%

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Well, fuck ol' Dan!

-with a post auger

Cooper will continue to be paid by the corporation, I assume.

our money/his profits/his candidate

the only honorable thing to do is "Never Again Cooper".

I's spoken.

Will Cooper be replacing the oo's in his advertising with that god awful Obama socialist-realist o?

They will not allow or answer questions about the resignation on the Cooper Firearms website.
The anti-gun CEO isn't going anywhere.

I may stick my nose in a yellow jackets nest here...
I must say here, I don`t know McCain or Obama...but it seems by reading this tread here, everything stands or falls on the "gunissue" here. Isn`t there more to american politics ( and life )than the Gun-issue?.Is everything really so simple?. What about education, polution, health etc.. How does Obama and McCain stands on these issues?.

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Originally posted by jens poulsen:
I may stick my nose in a yellow jackets nest here...
I must say here, I don`t know McCain or Obama...but it seems by reading this tread here, everything stands or falls on the "gunissue" here. Isn`t there more to american politics ( and life )than the Gun-issue?.Is everything really so simple?. What about education, polution, health etc.. How does Obama and McCain stands on these issues?.

All you have to do is look around at the governments that restrict gun ownership to answer that question. A government that allows it's citizens to arm themselves in order to protect the very freedoms that our constitution guarantees, I trust. Too me it's that simple. You don't trust me, I don't trust you. All the other crap will sort itself out.

education, health care, pollution etc are NOT in our constitution, gun rights ARE!

When freedoms protected by the founding document are under attack, this in my opinion trumps all other issues you mention, because when one falls, any other one may be next. And that, my friend, is a scary, scary thing.

_Baxter

I can't let one penny of my money find its way into Obama's pockets!

ddj

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.but it seems by reading this tread here, everything stands or falls on the "gunissue" here.

-well, "here", yes, but then this is a "gun forum", my friend

I can find many reasons to deny Obama my funds or vote other than just my right to own a firearm; income distribution being a major one.

Westpac is right! Our right to carry firearms is to enable us to pretect ourselves "from our government". If the government is ruling a society without firearms the society has no say and the government ultimately rules. Then it is no longer the people who make the rules just the government. This is my priorty in this election; education etc. will always be taken care of as long as the people rule. About every 300 years we the people have to retake our country and it could happen again. Louis

It's a good thing that we have freedom of speech in this country.
Otherwise a person could be in trouble for
offering an opinion.
Good luck!

News on USA Today this morning... Cooper Ousted as CEO..............

email sent to Cooper

I take issue to the email response you sent me and which you have posted on your web site. You state, "We firmly believe Dan stands by the 2nd amendment. We wish him all of the best in his future pursuits".

I find that troubling. It has been made public, and your half-hearted attempts at disassociation prove, that Dan Cooper's future pursuits are to attack the gun rights of law abiding Americans. His long term support of a vocal anti-gun politician prove that. After a couple of days of reflection your comments ring hollow. I will continue my boycott and continue to encourage others to do that same.

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I may stick my nose in a yellow jackets nest here...
I must say here, I don`t know McCain or Obama...but it seems by reading this tread here, everything stands or falls on the "gunissue" here. Isn`t there more to american politics ( and life )than the Gun-issue?.Is everything really so simple?. What about education, polution, health etc.. How does Obama and McCain stands on these issues?.

Doublerifles will double your day

Yes, American politics are about more than second ammendment rights. But by revoking or restricting our second ammendment rights they can then begin to force upon us their ideas and laws for a socialist country. That appears to be the direction Obama is headed (one class of citizens). You cannot take too much from the rich and give it to the poor because they will then become lazier and expect more and more from the government (that's why most of them are poor in the first place). I am not rich, not even close, but I pay half my income in taxes, one way or another, through county, state and federal income taxes, sales taxes on everything I buy, additional taxes on gasoline and tobacco, even the power I use to light and heat my home. It never ends! And now Obama wants to take more and give it to the ones who do nothing and care about nothing. I would like for everyone to have access to health care but I don't think I should have to foot the cost for all those who won't pay or for those who cross the border illegally and get healthcare in the US (huge numbers). I think we need the people from Mexico and Central and South America here to help do the jobs that Americans won't do anymore, but I think they should register and pay taxes like everyone else. Hell, they can draw social security without having paid a single penny into it. A lot of our politicians are so ambitious and power hungry that they would be exactly like Hitler/Stalin and any other dictator if they could, but the armed public is standing in their way. If that barrier is removed then the door is open. So, that is why I vote with my second ammendment rights in the forefront. Would there be an armed revolution if they take our Constitution away? I don't know, I really don't know. But just once in my life, just once, I'd like to go the poles and vote for someone who I though would really be a good leader for my country instead of voting to keep someone out of that position.

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Originally posted by M16:

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I love my guns and the use of them for at least 65 years. If it came to keeping my guns or loosing one more human life for oil and Chaney's wealth** bye bye guns. Sorry but that's the way I feel.

Would you give up your whiskey that puts money in the pocket of Ted Kennedy if it would save one life? You must be frikkin drunk to make a stupid statement like that.

Good parrallel M16.

"Bye Bye guns" WTF are you serious, really? Give up those guns and lets see how many human lives are lost then. I must say you are rediculous, but hey everyone is entitled to thier own thoughts, even if they are horse %$@!.

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But just once in my life, just once, I'd like to go the poles and vote for someone who I though would really be a good leader for my country instead of voting to keep someone out of that position.

+1

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Rifle maker bounces boss who supports Obama

Lop-sided article from USA Today- now we're McCarthyites for deciding how we spend our money, according to that dickhead "Bob Ricker, executive director of the American Hunters and Shooters Association":

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the American Hunters and Shooters Association, which has endorsed Obama. "That's really why our organization was formed, was to deal with this craziness. If you're a gun owner, but you have a contrary view to some of these wackos, they will go out and try to destroy you."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008...gun-ceo-ousted_N.htm


jackass.

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Originally posted by M1Tanker:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bartsche:

If you really think that oil profits are what this war is about then you are an idiot. I have done multiple combat tours to Iraq and I am on month 12 of my current 15 month deployment. Take it from someone who is neck deep in the middle of it that you are way off base.

Bill, I'm really not an idiot nor am I totally brain washed, as are some. Also I served this country probably before you were a sperm. roger

I wont be buying another either. Nor will I support the company. I feel sorry for the employees. I know from my own experience with public corporations how helpless they feel when the leadership of a company has an agenda opposite to the employee's personal views. It may cost them their jobs and if they hold any company stock in a 401K it will certainly cost them more money. From what I read in the press release the board has basically canned Dan Cooper to try and salvage as much as possible. Its also probably to late. DW