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Let's say you custom ordered a Dakota 76 and specified XX English walnut. The big day comes and you open the box to see your new rifle... So far, so good...  Then you take a look at the other side... What the H&##?  ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | ||
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You check to see if there was a "acceptance clause" in your contract. Or if there is any warranty regarding profeesional and workmanlike manner. Failing that, you take a photo and send a letter to their GC saying they need to replace it. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I would start out friendly. If that didn't work I would see how many times I could bounce that stock off of somebody's head. That is horrible. You wouldn't find that in a Savage. | |||
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beauty is in the eye of the beholder but to me that just plain sucks for XX Englis!  Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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That is incredible. Talk about quality control. When was this rifle delivered? | |||
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What a joke. Maybe dakota figures the buyer could put a Budwieser sticker over it. | |||
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 I would make a very nice call to Dakota and ask to speak to the top dog and very nicely ask when my new stock will be ready.  Then I would ask when the last time their QC person had their eyes checked, and then I would Post HUGE pictures of this POS on every gun/hunting site I could find on the internet. | |||
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Forrest, were there termites (or beavers!) in the box? That's incredible. Bob | |||
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The wood grades XXX by Dakota standards untill you see pic #2. They could have done a better job filling that big crack. Could have used wood scraps cut off the stock and made the repair look more like the repairs you see on many guns that have come out of Purdey or H&H. Or they could have covered that spot with those little footballs you used to see on Weatherby stocks. I'd ask for a new stock and have them send pics of both sides of the stock after it comes off the CNC, before any time is spent inletting & shaping. | |||
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I doubt very seriously that stock "slipped through quality control". Dakota is famous for wanting folks to upgrade to a higher quality of wood at a pretty stiff price. As such, I believe they say something in their literature about wood, being a natural product, may have inclusions, etc., and if you don't want those inclusions you should upgrade. | |||
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You can say it has character or it looks like sh***t. | |||
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That is a disgrace for such an expensive rifle!! I would definetly not accept it, and I would wonder what else could be wrong that you cannot see. | |||
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I wouldn't accept that. It would never leave the retailers shop. XX English does not have a flaw like that in the MOST VISIBLE part of the butt. At least not with the rest of the grain flow being fairly straight and light colored. I have seen some stocks that would be acceptable in, but not that one. Did someone accept it? | |||
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Dakota probably figured it was XXXX on one left and -2x on the other and it added up to XX..  Mistakes of that magnitude are unacceptable. They need to replace the stock ASAP, and if they had any class and character they would upgrade it for your time and trouble. How could they let that flaw on the right get made into a rifle??????.......................DJ ....Remember that this is all supposed to be for fun!.................. | |||
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what the ffffff Forrest, I am not certain i would remain nice for more than 5 mins... i would try, but anything thing other than -- sorry, we f'ed it up-- would not be acceptable. jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Good one. It's not my rifle. It's for sale at www.hendershots.net and is selling for a price that reflects the lousy wood. I can't imagine a customer or retail shop that would accept such a rifle, but it's obviously been used by someone. Dakota wood jokes are too easy, it's almost like picking on a retarded kid. ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
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No way in he!! would I pay $2995 much less the origianl price. As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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Forrest, I think you should buy it, look at it this way, the right side of it still has more figure than the right side of any other Dakota I've seen. Billy, High in the shoulder (we band of bubbas) | |||
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Looks like some thing that was between my old girl friends legs. Send it back one way or the other. Thats just bad taste on Dakotas part. NRA BENEFACTOR MEMBER: USNR (ADCS/AW/SW) I have wonderer at times what the TEN COMMAMDMENT'S would look like if Moses had run them through the US congress | |||
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Absolutely! Reputation, or the lacking thereof, has killed, or made, many a company! | |||
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Nice pattern stock! Doesn't Dressels sell these blanks for about $40.00? | |||
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Forrest: My reaction would be, WHAT THE F*CK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have bought guns from Hendershots - Lance is one stand up guy. They have a cute little operation, for being (literally) in the middle of no where. 577NitroExpress Double Rifle Shooters Society Francotte .470 Nitro Express  If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming... | |||
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Isn't Dakota in Chapter 11? | |||
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I think that a lot of the guys bitching about how their $1000 Kimber isn't perfect should take a good look at this $2995 Dakota. To me it's worth the price of the barreled action plus one stick of firewood...............DJ ....Remember that this is all supposed to be for fun!.................. | |||
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Yep. Maybe it was their inattention to detail? ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
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I can't find it on their web site. Is it still there? Howard Moses Lake, Washington USA hwhomes@outlook.com | |||
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Other than that shanker on the right side that appears to be a decent stick of wood.  That said, if I payed what Dakota charges for a wood upgrade and that showed up the only reasonable solution I can think of would be to drive to Sturgis and Kick Charlie's ass once or twice... | |||
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It's in the used gun list. Try this link: http://www.hendershots.net/gunview.asp?GunID=777 ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
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Why they would expend the effort on that piece of wood for the price is baffling to me. Just let it go. Get another.  | |||
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Damn guys! Granted, it's a bad piece of wood. No argument there. BUT... The reactions on here are something else! "I'd drive up there and kick his ass" "I'd send it back" "I'd post pictures everywhere" "For the cost of an upgrade..." (Uh, this was never represented as "upgraded" wood...) Etc, etc. Read a little closer. Forrest didn't buy this rifle. So he didn't get "stuck" with it, nor can he "send it back". The threats are incredible. I bet some of you guys are holy hell to deal with. Those that say to call Dakota and talk to them are being reasonable, those making instant threats are nuts. If anybody bothered to look at the ad, they are completely upfront about it. It is sold as a used gun. Quite possibly, the original owner wanted a Dakota, didn't quite have the money, and AGREED to a lower quality piece of wood as part of a deal to get it to his price range. You just don't know. And the shop selling it is also very upfront about the flaw in the wood. They describe it in writing, as well as show a very clear picture of it. Nothing is being hidden, and there should be zero surprises for whoever buys it. They know upfront what they're getting. As for the price of $2995 that some are knocking, did you look at the ad? Besides some small upgraded options, the rifle is wearing a Leupold 6-18. So the actual rifle cost is even a few hundred less than listed. I'm surprised (and disappointed) by some reactions here, when you're jumping to false conclusions. If Dakota sent you the rifle, brand new and unseen, and you found this, yeah, you'd have a right to be upset. But, if you're looking at this in the context of what it really is, a used gun being advertised accurately, you'd have zero right to bitch or to "send it back". | |||
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Cold Bore No disagreement with your reasoning, but people are providing their answers to Forrest specific question. He didn't pose the question as one of reality. Rather, he stated "LET"S SAY you ordered a Custom Dakota" and it came like this one did". It is only much later that he says that this is not his rifle and it did not come as a custom order. So, People were merely answering his question as posed. | |||
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I've never bought a Dakota (or any other high end rifle) but isn't it possible, with a little communication, to OK a blank or a stock before final fitting? Or is one required to leave it up to their "good" judgement and thereby only see the end product? I have seen some Dakota's at the Rambouillet show and they had average wood, but nothing that cries out rip-off. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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ForrestB, They say that "a bucket doesn't stink until you stir it". My friend, you sure stirred that one. | |||
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Coldbore. You are correct there could have been clear and complete understanding between Dakota and the original buyer. The current seller is upfront as well. Even with scope I wouldn't buy it at the asking price. I wouldn't want that stock around to look at. So to me it would be a barreled action and scope. But the origianl question was "Let's say you custom ordered a Dakota 76 and specified XX English walnut. The big day comes and you open the box to see your new rifle" I took that to mean I had ordered the rifle and it showed up looking like this. What would I do. Can't believe many who would order a $5000 rifle and have this one show up without prior agreement would not be upset. As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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Like I stated previously, I have bought guns from Hendershots. They are stand-up people. 577NitroExpress Double Rifle Shooters Society Francotte .470 Nitro Express If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming... | |||
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I live about 30 or so minutes from Hendershots. They are the biggest dealer in the area. They have it all. They carry all the stuff that the small shops can not afford to carry. They are very reputable and appear to advertise it as is. They make no effort to hide the flaw. If the stock was not F-ed up and the round count was low, that would be a good deal. I wonder if Dakota would swap you a stock out. I would not want to be a gun maker dealing in high end arms and have my name on that POS. CZ will up grade their wood for the difference as long as the stock was not modified or damaged. That might be worth the price and effort if you bought the gun gave Dakota a few bucks {spelled a hundred or two not much more) and got a real nice stick for it. I dunno just thinking out loud. | |||
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Unbelievable. Who in their right mind would ok that wood. Back in the day, when gunmaker and myself worked there, that stick, after coming off the cnc would have been presented to the wood supervisor and I know him well enough that he would have said " RUN ANOTHER ONE ". It would have taken, gee a whole 30 seconds to walk over and select another blank, 10 minutes to rough it out with the band saw then 40 minutes to cnc another one. Can you say, in debt so bad that the greed is blinding. That stock is the indians sign for them that the good time hoo yaa look at us party is about over. I would save that stock and rifle for future referance so when somebody asks " why did Dakota go under ". I would calmly go to my gunrack and get that rifle and say this is representative of the quaility of management that existed post Allen. Timan | |||
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Hendershot says it would be a $5800 rifle if it weren't for the bark pocket. Not IMO. NRA Life Member, Band of Bubbas Charter Member, PGCA, DRSS. Shoot & hunt with vintage classics. | |||
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I guess whoever buys this rifle had better not be a lefty. He might get some facial hair gummed up in that pitch pocket. The only easy day is yesterday! | |||
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