If one were to build a new rifle in .300 Savage around a Mauser action, which action would be the "best"?

Mex, Yugo, VZ/24. Take your pick.

You see a lot of Mexicans chambered in the 300, 250 Savage rounds.

Also the .257 Roberts, and the 7x57.

Kinda traditional, in a lot of ways, but I don't know why.

And I don't know "which" Mexican off hand.

Would a shorter action than the standard 98 be appropriate for the .300 Savage or is the standard length preferable? I ask the question because the idea is to build a .30 rifle in something other than .308 or .30-06 because they are both controlled military calibers in France and because the rifle is ultimately for a woman of small stature.

which ever one you can find:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Yugoslavian_VZ24_47_8mm_Mauser.html

The Yugoslavian 24/47 rifle would work fine....the .300 savage is close to the shape of the .308 and the .308 casefeeds well in the yugo rifles I've owned.

I see the price is now $129.....when I bought them a year ago it was three for $100.....

Just a silly question.....are you permitted to own a wildcat? If so does the .30-.270 make sense to you?....and if so then a VZ-24 is a fine action to start with.....make sure the barrel is stamped .30-270 and the chambering can be done with a standard .30-06 reamer and go-gage.....LOL

Think .30-338 federal or .323-270 or .284-270 as they all can be done with standard reamers, gauges and reloading dies.

I know of no restrictions on wildcats in France and cases headstamped 270 Winchester or 30-270 would be considered as non-military. An interesting approach.

One of the best use of wildcats is to get around the law....I built a 6 X 45 when I lived in Minnesota as the law required a bullet of at least .23 caliber....darn thing worked real fine!! It was also legal, very light weight, short.....a dream to hunt with!

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Originally posted by Wink:
I know of no restrictions on wildcats in France and cases headstamped 270 Winchester or 30-270 would be considered as non-military. An interesting approach.

I would not try and fire a loaded 30-270 in a rifle chambered with a 30-06 reamer. The neck is longer on the 270 (based on the 1903 Springfield case). You could have pressure problems. I wouldn't mark a barrel 30-270 that was chambered with a 30-06.

How about a 30x57?

gunmaker is absolutely correct here.....to be totally correct the neck diameter should be extended .046" in case a future owner didn't understand what the chamber actually was....

I was told by a famous guild gunsmith/gunmaker that FUNCTIONALLY there is NO difference between a CZ 550 action and ANY other more expensive action.So,my second custom project will be with a the CZ action I sent him.He has built rifles with GMA and more expensive actions.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I was told by a famous guild gunsmith/gunmaker that FUNCTIONALLY there is NO difference between a CZ 550 action and ANY other more expensive action.

This could be applied to a Rolex and a Timex. Both FUNCTIONALLY go click click and tell you the time. And they both end in the letter X.

How about cars?
BMW and KIA. Both have 3 letters and FUNCTIONALLY get you from point A to point B.

I am afraid its meaning may have more significance.

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Originally posted by gunmaker:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I was told by a famous guild gunsmith/gunmaker that FUNCTIONALLY there is NO difference between a CZ 550 action and ANY other more expensive action.

This could be applied to a Rolex and a Timex. Both FUNCTIONALLY go click click and tell you the
time. And they both end in the letter X.

How about cars?

BMW and KIA. Both have 3 letters and FUNCTIONALLY get you from point A to point B.

Some of the best advice I've gotten since I've been here was to put shootaway on ignore.

Terry

That is a CZ 550 action worked over by a really talented pro.

1910 Mexican

I would not shoot anything made in 1910.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I would not shoot anything made in 1910.

What else can I say?

Shootaway, they are perfectly safe as long as you wear that helmet of yours, and very accurate if the scope is mounted in just one ring.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I would not shoot anything made in 1910.

Stupid is as stupid does.

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Shootaway, they are perfectly safe as long as you wear that helmet of yours, and very accurate if the scope is mounted in just one ring.

One ring on a 458 lott right? I have been on this forum for a long time and I have never found anyone with whom I disagree with 100% of the time, until I found Shootaway.

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I would not shoot anything made in 1910.

I am going to put that right up there with "big bores tend to shoot out barrels quickly."


Jason

either a 1910 or a 1936 mexican, and either if you have a 1936 bolt and cocking piece.


or, if you are willing to have a decent looking bottom metal made, you can use an m48, as the actions tend to be outstanding, the bottom metals are usually stamped and FUGLY

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
either a 1910 or a 1936 mexican, and either if you have a 1936 bolt and cocking piece.


or, if you are willing to have a decent looking bottom metal made, you can use an m48, as the actions tend to be outstanding, the bottom metals are usually stamped and FUGLY

Where does one find an "outstanding" model 48 action these days?

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Where does one find an "outstanding" model 48 action these days?

try your local Cabela's store....there are several of them here and several more in the Fort Worth store I was in the other day....Take a drive to Owatnna.

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if you have a 1936 bolt and cocking piece.

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Originally posted by tin can:

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if you have a 1936 bolt and cocking piece.

Question:

Can the cocking piece be swapped to other '98 bolts?

Thanks.

Yep, finding them is the problem.

Terry

A 1909 Peruvian would make a beautiful 300 Savage.

I have a military surplus collector friend who pointed out to me that all the Mausers (of a series) were pretty much the same. He was looking at a "short action" Greek 98 Mauser!!! something. He learned that the bolt stop had been lengthened to shorten the bolt stroke...

De Haas in his book "Bolt Actions" has a standard. He does not recommend chambering anything made for WW I, or before 1930 if you prefer, in the later, higher pressure cartridges like .243, .308. [55K CUP working pressures, approx.] .300 Savage dates from WW I and pressure was standardized at the 45K CUP approx. of the day. (.30/'06 too). I believe this is the reason all the early Mausers from Spain and Mexico that were rebarrelled to these rounds way back when with cheap labor were.

The other consideration is the "ring." The front receiver ring into which the barrel is threaded. There are "large rings," obviously stronger one would hope, more steel; and "small rings." The collector showed me a 98 small ring made for the artillery, I think he said... Saved like 3 oz of weight... (oh boy!)

At the same time, I would not hesitate to rechamber a 6.5 Swede, 1938 production, the model 93 Mauser pattern, well 96 anyway into .243 or .308... Just takes money and with what I have and need, leaving it 6.5 is better. I might not a WW I Gustauv production... might.

I have disagreed with folks who had beautiful 1909 actions... (or 1910). Nothing you can do today will add a thing to the steel that came out of the pot in 1909...

I would look for a later action, post 1930. Often the proofs have a date. I have a silly fondness for the '06 for no good reason. The free brass is long gone. Government left it lying around. (!!) The Belgians made a run of Mausers after WW II, Leige?, chambered in /'06 which is slightly too long for the 57mm action so they cut a groove in the rear of the front receiver ring... This way a soldier that had loaded a mil. ball round and not fired the bullet could get it out of the action without hang up.

.300 Savage is approx. 45 mm. Not unlike the .308 with shorter neck. You can make brass from 7.62x51mm NATO if you wish and can get the brass. Body is large enough you should not have any huge feeding problems. Might want to block the magazine a bit shorter.

From there, it is "what is available?" .260 Rem is the 6.5 Swede with the higher pressures in a .308 based case. Long, great rep as an all around rifle... .250 Savage once ruled the target ranges. .22/250 is legendary. 6mm/.250 is still popular, called 6mm International. Plenty of power for deer. Accuracy for the small stuff.

This journey will be as much fun as you make it. Is there any current production available from Germany. The old Yugoslavia sent many Mauser copies called Mark X to USA. CZ much finer finish. Luck. Happy trails.

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if you have a 1936 bolt and cocking piece.

Nice Action Terry.

I still say that those 1936 Cocking pieces could be easily duplicated by turning and knurling a piece on a lathe and tig welding it to the cocking piece on the 1910.

easier said than done

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Just a silly question.....are you permitted to own a wildcat? If so does the .30-.270 make sense to you?....and if so then a VZ-24 is a fine action to start with.....make sure the barrel is stamped .30-270 and the chambering can be done with a standard .30-06 reamer and go-gage.....LOL

I may be having a brain fart here but I am still wondering just what the hell the advantage would be to use a 30-06 reamer for this and then lengthen the neck and end up with a 270 necked up to 30 cal with a longer neck? What the hell would you do that for when you could use the 270 reamer. Are you saying this is a wildcat on a short 270?

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Originally posted by Jim Kobe:

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Just a silly question.....are you permitted to own a wildcat? If so does the .30-.270 make sense to you?....and if so then a VZ-24 is a fine action to start with.....make sure the barrel is stamped .30-270 and the chambering can be done with a standard .30-06 reamer and go-gage.....LOL

I may be having a brain fart here but I am still wondering just what the hell the advantage would be to use a 30-06 reamer for this and then lengthen the neck and end up with a 270 necked up to 30 cal with a longer neck? What the hell would you do that for when you could use the 270 reamer. Are you saying this is a wildcat on a short 270?

Jim
The thread poster is from France and military chamberings are illegal there.....but if his gun is chambered to 30-270 and the barrel so marked he is legal.....and of course he can shoot the 30-06 cartridges if he wishes and can get them

His original post was to chamber to 300 Savage as the .308 wasn't a legal cqrtridge....it's just a way to beat the system.

He would actually have a .30-06 but it would be called something else.

Since it's a "girl" gun I think I'll stick with the .300 Savage. So I guess from the different replies that a "short" action wouldn't work.

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Originally posted by vapodog:

Jim
The thread poster is from France and military chamberings are illegal there.....but if his gun is chambered to 30-270 and the barrel so marked he is legal.....and of course he can shoot the 30-06 cartridges if he wishes and can get them

His original post was to chamber to 300 Savage as the .308 wasn't a legal cqrtridge....it's just a way to beat the system.

He would actually have a .30-06 but it would be called something else.

The French prohibition is against any weapon capable of firing military cartridges. It doesn't matter how they are marked. A 30-270 would be illegal if it can fire 30-06 ammunition.

I'm not a French lawyer but I did sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

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I would look for a later action, post 1930. Often the proofs have a date. I have a silly fondness for the '06 for no good reason. The free brass is long gone. Government left it lying around. (!!) The Belgians made a run of Mausers after WW II, Leige?, chambered in /'06 which is slightly too long for the 57mm action so they cut a groove in the rear of the front receiver ring... This way a soldier that had loaded a mil. ball round and not fired the bullet could get it out of the action without hang up.

The groove in the rear of the front ring was to use a stripper clip to load ball 30 06 and had nothing to do with ejecting the round.

Rad

I'd keep an eye out for one of the FW Heym 720 actions. It's an intermediate length action but otherwise nearly identical to an FN commercial action with the left side safety.

This one is for sale over on Auction arms:



Weagle

Wink,

How about a 94, 96, and 1938 Swedish Mauser?
I like those actions.
Also, I have a 250 Savage built on a 1909 action, long, but the rifle is very nice. I used that action because I had it at the time.

Don

If my sources are correct the 1909 Peruvian is an intermediate action, correct? This seems perfect for the .300 Savage. If I chamber with a long throat I can probably get .308 Win velocities (assuming the box can take a longer than spec C.O.A.L.)

Also, 1909's can be found at most local outlets, correct?